Solved Windows Genuine Issue

[Milkyway]

Dear all,

Based on Seagate Technical Support in response to the noises produced by Momentus XT, the recommendation is to do a fresh installation of Windows on the drive. However, I do not have the original Windows DVD shipped with my computer when purchased. Note: this drive is the upgraded drive not the original one.

Regarding this, is there any Windows Genuine issue if I download the Windows, install it on my system, and register with the product key came along with my laptop?

Thank you in advance for response,

 

[Golden]

Hi MilkyWay,

No, there is no issue with doing that as long as its genuine product key. However, if this is an OEM installation of Windows, then some of the pre-installed drivers will be lost during the installation. These can usually be downloaded and installed as normal. I recommend making a note of all your devices before you start, so you know which drivers you will need.

Before you proceed, run this tool so we know what your hardware is, and it will give others a chance to go over my suggestions in case I have missed anything:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/180324-system-info-see-your-system-specs.html

Regards,
Golden

 

[Milkyway]

Dear Golden,

Thank you so much for your response.

Best regards,
MilkyWay

 

[theog]

You can order OEM Recovery disks from your OEM manufacturer's website.

   Information

We always assume you have made your Recovery Disks using the OEM manufacturer's Recovery Media Creator app the first day you had your new PC.
& made the Startup Repair CD.
startup repair disc-create
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Did you make the OEM manufacturer's Recovery Disks?

 

[Milkyway]

Dear theog,

Of course, I made the backups (Recovery Disks) since I first used the computer. Right now, I have problems with my new upgraded hard drive, Momentus XT, producing annoying sounds. I used those recovery disks to restore my computer running on this new hard drive to factory settings.

However, based on Seagate Technical Support, it is recommended to make a fresh installation of the Windows.

Thanks,
MilkyWay

 

[theog]

I would Check the hard drive with the Seagate manufacturer's diagnostic tools.
Downloads: Hard Drive Installation & Computer/PC Diagnostic Software | Seagate

 

[Milkyway]

You mean SeaTool software?
Thanks! I've already checked the drive using SeaTool, but it reports no errors; that is why I come to this solution, fresh installation of the Windows as what Seagate Technical Support suggested.

 

[edwar]

More then likely that drive is going to make different sounds then the original drive. Re-installing the OS won't fix that, it is the drive that is making the noise, not the OS.

From what you wrote you already did a clean install when you started using the XT drive, Isn't that so?

Either live with the extra noise or return the drive for refund or replacement.

SSDs don't make any noise. No moving parts.

 

[DeaconFrost]

Just download the .iso file under Media Refresh that pertains to your version, platform, language, etc.

Windows 7 Digital River direct links: Multiple Languages; X86 & X64 - Page 60

Install, update, and then activate with your legit key.

 

[gregrocker]

Everything you need is here: Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7

 

[Milkyway]

Dear everyone,

Thank you so much for your help.

@ Edwar: Sorry, I did not mean that. I mean I used the Factory Recovery Discs to install Windows on Momentus XT to factory settings (no partition created). I've not yet tried the fresh installation of the Windows (Only Windows). I can say that drive replacement is not possible unless SeaTool reports errors. SSDs are good indeed, but they are quite expensive and less storage capacity.

Best regards,
MilkyWay

 

[jumanji]

Dear all,

....Regarding this, is there any Windows Genuine issue if I download the Windows, install it on my system, and register with the product key came along with my laptop?

Thank you in advance for response,

IMO, yes. You will be venturing into a dark area.

As edwar pointed out, I see no correlation between a clean install and the problem(?) with your hard drive.

Happy to note that you have made the recovery disks.

Staying with OEM-SLP activation or doing a clean install backing up and restoring the OEM activation enables you to install as many times and as frequently as you may want and the installation will self-activate.(off-line, no phone, No internet, no Microsft Servers and more importantly no human at the other end who may judge you erroneously.)

OEM-SLP activation is the only off-line activation permitted by Microsoft and the OEMs have built in sufficient anti-piracy measures by means of the SLIC table on your hardware. Only when Windows 7 (and the OEM activation info built into it) finds the correct SLIC, the Recovery Disks/Reinstall Disk will self-activate the installation. Known and perpetual.

As oft-repeated in Microsoft Forums, the COA-SLP key ( that you find on the sticker) is to be used only in contingent situations such as where OEM-SLP activation fails to go through for whatever reasons.

How the COA-SLP activation will behave on future installations, nobody can tell you authoritatively. I have not found any authoritative information after months of internet search. So a dark area.

No need to take my words or believe it blindly. Please do an internet search yourself on OEM-SLP activation, COA-SLP activation and see for yourself. Apart from various forums where these are discussed, you will find them mentioned even in Microsoft Forums.

As for as problems in COA-SLP activation, I just mention one recent post from Microsoft Forums. (Yep, our Noel DP is actively involved in resolving there - hats off to him.)

http://social.technet.microsoft.com...l/thread/9928423f-0bd4-4dc8-8c8e-1d630e7e48e4 (COA-SLP used)

Please do your homework and decide.

 

[psudo]

jumanji, my friend told me about a software called ABR. Apparently, it arranges matters so one doent have to activate again and again? Can you please tell me how i can use it? Thanks and sorry if its a stupid question.

 

[jumanji]

SevenForums Policy forbids me from mentioning it.

Its usage is even mentioned in official Microsoft forums.

You can search the internet and get whatever details you want.

 

[DeaconFrost]

jumanji, my friend told me about a software called ABR. Apparently, it arranges matters so one doent have to activate again and again? Can you please tell me how i can use it? Thanks and sorry if its a stupid question.

Why bother going through all of that? If you have a legit license key, just download the media and do a clean install. Don't put your key in until you are happy with how it is running. If you do it right, it could be years before you have to reinstall.

 

[gregrocker]

Use the OEM-COA key on the COA sticker on machine and illustrated in Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

This shifts the control over activation from incompetent OEM Tech Support (only free for a year) to MS servers which protect you from capricious OEM policies trying to dictate how you can reinstall the OS which you own - like not supporting another bit-version when they're required to by their EULA with MS. It cuts the OEM out of the activation process so that your Win7 activation is directly with MS, which is it's maker and guardian.

 

[Milkyway]

Dear everyone,

Thank you so much for your supports. Perhaps, I should not activate the Windows right away unless everything is running smoothly.

Based on problems reported by Mac and DELL Alienware users who bought new laptops came along with these hard drives, Momentus XT (particularly the first generation Momentus XT), I believe that the problems are the drives themselves. However, a fresh installation of Windows was suggested by Seagate Technical Support so I will try. If the problems persist, I'll contact them again, and let's see how and what they response to those issues.

UNIFIED THREAD - Momentus XT spreadsheet:
UNIFIED THREAD - Momentus XT spreadsheet - Seagate Community Forums

Best regards,

 

[jumanji]

Use the OEM-COA key on the COA sticker on machine and illustrated in Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

This shifts the control over activation from incompetent OEM Tech Support (only free for a year) to MS servers which protect you from capricious OEM policies trying to dictate how you can reinstall the OS which you own - like not supporting another bit-version when they're required to by their EULA with MS. It cuts the OEM out of the activation process so that your Win7 activation is directly with MS, which is it's maker and guardian.

Hi greg,

Greetings.

Which EULA with MS are you referring to and where I can see it? Please let us know where we can see it to confirm it. ( OK, I have made a search for "OEM's EULA with Microsoft" and can't find anything as such.)

Not withstanding:

When an end-user buys a Retail Windows 7 (FPP), Microsoft does not know his system capabilities, and provides both 32 bit and 64 bit media. He is entitled to use any one (but not both). Yes , he can also change to any version at anytime and Microsoft will support it (free or paid). This Retail product costs almost twice as much the OEM-bought, and so Microsoft can afford to support both versions.

Change over to OEM:

One can purchase OEM (System Builder) 32 bit version seperately and OEM (System Builder) version 64bit seperately. (They are not sold in pairs.) Ask for a 32 bit, the SB will build and sell one with the 32 bit media and also support your 32 bit machine. Ask for a 64 bit machine and you will get it with the 64 bit media and support. That is the contract one enters with the OEM-SB knowingly. And the OEM media costs half as much as the Retail (FPP)

The same applies to Royalty OEMs. The end user has the option to buy a 32 bit machine or a 64 bit machine and the OEM will give you the appropriate Reinstall/Recovery media and support it. (He also has the option not to buy if the OEM is not willing to support both the versions.)

It is quite obvious that the OEM cannot install both versions on the same machine , give both media to the end-user, give the option to choose any one and support either of them.

After having willingly - and not by any force - entered into a contract for support for the OEM-installed version, to crib that the OEM is not supporting the other version is unfair. And again for the cost you get the OEM Windows 7 one cannot expect that. Cost Vs benefit.

If one has the change-over option in mind and the OEM is not willing to support it, the end-user need not purchase any 32 bit or 64 bit machine from the OEM. He should have straight-away gone for the retail (FPP).(go for a laptop with free linux and install the retail.)

I shall take a break now and come back again.

Regards.

jumanji

 

[gregrocker]

It isn't necessary to buy a retail copy of Win7 to use another bit version when you wish to Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

Even if the OEM will not support 32- or 64-bit for some models, it is worth trying because most drivers will be in the installer and others can almost always be found on the web via search.

Using the Product Key on COA sticker shifts the activation to MS Servers which will protect your right to use either 32- or 64-bit with each Win7 license.

And of course the installer is freely available online and in the above tutorial.

 

[jumanji]

My response in the previous post was with reference to your statement "like not supporting another bit-version when they're required to by their EULA with MS." and painting the OEMs black for not complying with it.

No such EULA exists that requires the OEM to support both versions. I have gone on to explain how it is not feasible when one buys from the OEM. The end-user gets support for what he opted to buy from OEM. Period.

( Perhaps you mean the general Windows 7 Retail EULA which permits the user to use 32 bit or 64 bit but that is not applicable to Windows 7 purchased from OEMs be it System Builder or Royalty OEMs.)

( I have proposed to deal with the points you have mentioned in your latest post in the second part to my previous post, which incidentally is being delayed. We had a massive blackout lasting more than 12 hours well past midnight throwing normal life out of gear. I had only four hours of sleep and yet to regain normalcy. I shall continue with the second part when I feel fit.)