they need to fix this asap (aero and vsync)

saiboat · Mar 16, 2009

i finally found out why my aim was suddenly terribad in all my games. it's because aero has vsync on so your windows dont tear about when you drag em but this means when you play any game in windowed mode you will have vsync applied to that and progam0rs know that you cant kill much with that stuff on. i demand an option to disable vsync within aero. i do not want to change the desktop theme all the time to windows basic like we have to do now to fix this issue.

edit: you might say wtf use fullscreen its better anyway but team fortress 2 windowed with no border is the best thing since sliced bread. "tabbing" out of that is fast as hell - same goes for world of warcraft. also that flip 3d thing works with the games which is really cool. but vsync is a no go

Mark · Mar 16, 2009

I always play my games full screen with Vsync enabled, I hate when you get tearing, IMO it totally spoils the game and with 60Fps why wouldn't you.

Anyway that's my preference, but if you have an Nvidia card you can go to the control panel and force off.

saiboat · Mar 16, 2009

Mr GRiM said:
I always play my games full screen with Vsync enabled, I hate when you get tearing, IMO it totally spoils the game and with 60Fps why wouldn't you.

Anyway that's my preference, but if you have an Nvidia card you can go to the control panel and force off.

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yeah but thats because your not a "pro gamer" then

with vsync your mouse movement isnt as resposive. you cant do 180° turns to fire somebody in the face as easily. and that nvidia force off stuff doesnt work on the desktop which means in windowed games. it didnt for me anyways.

Mark · Mar 16, 2009

saiboat said:
yeah but thats because your not a "pro gamer" then with vsync your mouse movement isnt as resposive. you cant do 180° turns to fire somebody in the face as easily. and that nvidia force off stuff doesnt work on the desktop which means in windowed games. it didnt for me anyways.

Sorry to hear it didn't work for you, as for not being a pro gamer, have a look at my system specs G15 keyboard G9 Mouse (excellent mouse BTW) GTX260 216core, 4Gigs of RAM eE8500 @ 3.8Ghz 24/7, 22" screen 2ms response time and all the best online shooters

Jac · Mar 16, 2009

I myself am not a pro-gamer but I do play Battlefield 2142 online and other FPS. Always have Vsync on, I hate tearing.

I don't do too bad

Everlong · Mar 16, 2009

saiboat said:
yeah but thats because your not a "pro gamer" then with vsync your mouse movement isnt as resposive. you cant do 180° turns to fire somebody in the face as easily. and that nvidia force off stuff doesnt work on the desktop which means in windowed games. it didnt for me anyways.

Why would you want to play in windowed mode anyway? I'd rather wait a few more seconds really...

CSS and Left 4 Dead play fine for me like that.

skunksmash · Mar 16, 2009

saiboat said:
yeah but thats because your not a "pro gamer" then with vsync your mouse movement isnt as resposive. you cant do 180° turns to fire somebody in the face as easily. and that nvidia force off stuff doesnt work on the desktop which means in windowed games. it didnt for me anyways.

lol... all day long :sarc:

mate, i would class myself as a ''pro-gamer'' & i can assure you (as MrGrim has stated) the only reason ''v-sync'' would be disabled is where the framerate is too low to support it properly....

trust me, catch me on COD4 & i will show you having ''v-sync'' enabled wont stop me from annihilating ya....lol

& i don't know any gamer worth his salt who plays in windowed mode..?? but what do i know ??....

SK

Triple7 · Mar 16, 2009

pro gamer in window mode lols

NosferatuX · Mar 16, 2009

I must say... This is one of the most entertaining post I've seen here...

LOL!

Cheers y'all

Everlong · Mar 16, 2009

You can't really be a self proclaimed "pro gamer" in reality

DABoogadie · Mar 19, 2009

Quick..the boss is coming...TAB-OUT........Oh, to late

twotone8 · Jul 21, 2009

alright dummies

after reading the replies to this thread, i HAD to register and give my two cents

THIS GUY HAS A PERFECTLY VALID POINT!!!!! for chrissakes

using vsync does increase your response time just enough to make it very annoying for people who notice that sort of thing. i've heard arguments on both sides, but for the most part, most serious hard-core twitch minded gamers prefer to have vsync turned off

and he's not trying to play the game in a tiny window either. tf2 allows you to run windowed mode at max resolution with no border....which basically means that it looks exactly the same as fullscreen

the only difference is that the alt-tabbing problem is completely fixed

now this WOULD be a godsend, if it weren't for the fact that apparently aero forces vsync to be turned on, adding that annoying little input lag

being a "pro-gamer" has nothing to do with it

the op simply wants the benefits of being able to use alt-tab, in faux full-screen, without the annoyances of the v-sync related input lag

it pisses me off that no-one took this person seriously.

symbiont · Jul 21, 2009

I just read this..so decided to test something.

I loaded up Warcraft, which I play windowed all the time - with Vsync and Triple Buffering enabled...I kept it windowed and turned off v-sync, and my frames shot over 100fps.

It's not Aero thats forcing V-sync in windowed mode - it would have done it for me. Looks like you should be directing this towards Valve if TF2 is your issue.

twotone8 · Jul 21, 2009

found the solution

find hl2.exe in teh teamfortress 2 folder (i'm assuming this works for other games as well)

right-click the shortcut to the game you want to run (in this case hl2.exe) and select properties. There go to compatibility and check "Disable Desktop Composition"

works

shuts down aero only as long as tf2 is running

Zidane24 · Jul 21, 2009

twotone8 said:
after reading the replies to this thread, i HAD to register and give my two cents

THIS GUY HAS A PERFECTLY VALID POINT!!!!! for chrissakes

using vsync does increase your response time just enough to make it very annoying for people who notice that sort of thing. i've heard arguments on both sides, but for the most part, most serious hard-core twitch minded gamers prefer to have vsync turned off

and he's not trying to play the game in a tiny window either. tf2 allows you to run windowed mode at max resolution with no border....which basically means that it looks exactly the same as fullscreen

the only difference is that the alt-tabbing problem is completely fixed

now this WOULD be a godsend, if it weren't for the fact that apparently aero forces vsync to be turned on, adding that annoying little input lag

being a "pro-gamer" has nothing to do with it

the op simply wants the benefits of being able to use alt-tab, in faux full-screen, without the annoyances of the v-sync related input lag

it pisses me off that no-one took this person seriously.

Okay...so it lets you run in windowed mode at max resolution with no border...LMAO if that isn't fullscreen than I don't know what is:roflmao:

twotone8 · Jul 22, 2009

true enough, except that full-screen mode makes alt-tabbing a very tedious and nasty process

it might look and perform the same as full-screen (which is indeed the point), but keeping it in a borderless window allows you to alt-tab with no issues

AstaLaVista · Jul 22, 2009

I hate to get in the middle of someone's cheerios but, if you are a pro gamer, why would you want to alt tab out of a game and why is it so important to do so at lightning speeds if you are, indeed, getting out of the game?

ten · Jul 22, 2009

"pro gamer" :roflmao:

dmex · Jul 22, 2009

AstaLaVista said:
I hate to get in the middle of someone's cheerios but, if you are a pro gamer, why would you want to alt tab out of a game and why is it so important to do so at lightning speeds if you are, indeed, getting out of the game?

What's a pro gamer??

but I agree with AstaLaVista, why would you want to alt tab out of a game and why is it so important to do so at lightning speeds if you are, indeed, getting out of the game?

twotone8 · Jul 23, 2009

heh. i am by no means a pro-gamer (what does that even mean anyway), but sometimes you just gotto alt-tab

whether it's to check who's talking in 'vent'

or see an aim window while you're waiting to respawn

i dunno

it is, however, kinda ****ty how bunked alt-tabbing is in tf2 fullscreen by default. i have no idea why it mucks so much stuff up.

they need to fix this asap (aero and vsync)

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