Solved How Windows representative check the genuineness of Windows

[Ninjaboyz]

Hi, I got a lot of PC under my supervision that running genuine Windows 7 but doesn't have the stickers. I wonder will it pass genuine check by Microsoft?

 

[seavixen32]

What is validation and how does it work? - Microsoft Windows

If you software is not genuine it will fail Micrsoft's validation checks that take place asfter activation.

How many computers are we talking about here?

Where did you get the software from?

Why don't you have the product keys and Certificate of Authenticity (COA) stickers?

Please be aware that we cannot discuss piracy on these forums as it is against the forum rules.

http://www.sevenforums.com/misc.php?do=showrules

Please see Rule 4.

 

[Ninjaboyz]

I don't know how the last supervisor manage it, but the PC pass the Windows Update without problem..

 

[seavixen32]

I take it you are working for an organisation.

Would it be better if you take this up with your IT administrator?

Did the machines have Windows installed with a sysprep image? If so, you should have nothing to worry about.

 

[NoelDP]

I suggest that you run the MGADiag tool over a couple of the affected PC's - post the reports for an analysis.

To properly analyse and solve problems with Activation and Validation, we need to see a full copy of the report produced by the MGADiag tool (download and save to desktop - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52012 )
Once saved, run the tool.
Click on the Continue button, which will produce the report.
To copy the report to your response, click on the Copy button in the tool (ignore any error messages at this point), and then paste (using either r-click/Paste, or Ctrl+V ) into your response.
- **in your own thread**, please
Please also state the Version and Edition of Windows quoted on your COA sticker (if you have one) on the case of your machine, but do NOT quote the Key on the sticker!
How to Tell - Home

 

[Ninjaboyz]

These are from one of the laptop I currently use:

Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
-----------------------------------------
Windows Validation Data-->
 
Validation Code: 0
Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-YXH9H-BTM4C-8KF3B
Windows Product Key Hash: PWnWy4C3bDRkv6MJakC9wUCQZ1M=
Windows Product ID: 00426-068-1413676-86475
Windows Product ID Type: 5
Windows License Type: Retail
Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001
ID: {DF6DDD38-93D1-4502-A7FD-A42953A03132}(1)
Is Admin: Yes
TestCab: 0x0
LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Product Name: Windows 7 Ultimate
Architecture: 0x00000000
Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506
TTS Error: 
Validation Diagnostic: 
Resolution Status: N/A
 
Vista WgaER Data-->
ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
 
Windows XP Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
File Exists: No
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
 
OGA Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
 
OGA Data-->
Office Status: 109 N/A
OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Office Diagnostics: 025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3
 
Browser Data-->
Proxy settings: N/A
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
Default Browser: C:\Users\SlaveGear\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
Active scripting: Allowed
Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed
 
File Scan Data-->
 
Other data-->
Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{DF6DDD38-93D1-4502-A7FD-A42953A03132}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-8KF3B</PKey><PID>00426-068-1413676-86475</PID><PIDType>5</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-203849662-531060056-3780829542</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>Sony Corporation</Manufacturer><Model>VPCYB15AG</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Insyde Corp.</Manufacturer><Version>R0162Z7</Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="7"/><Date>20110913000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>28D90700018400FC</HWID><UserLCID>043E</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Malay Peninsula Standard Time(GMT+08:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>Sony</OEMID><OEMTableID>VAIO</OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults> 
 
Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002
 
Licensing Data-->
Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514
 
Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
Activation ID: a0cde89c-3304-4157-b61c-c8ad785d1fad
Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
Extended PID: 00426-00172-068-141367-00-1086-7601.0000-2772011
Installation ID: 003736561956314403819385185424448091456925732103250870
Processor Certificate URL: [URL]http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338[/URL]
Machine Certificate URL: [URL]http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339[/URL]
Use License URL: [URL]http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341[/URL]
Product Key Certificate URL: [URL]http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340[/URL]
Partial Product Key: 8KF3B
License Status: Licensed
Remaining Windows rearm count: 3
Trusted time: 17/11/2011 22:25:26
 
Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0x00000000
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
Event Time Stamp: 10:6:2011 18:02
ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
HealthStatus Bitmask Output:
 
 
HWID Data-->
HWID Hash Current: MAAAAAAAAQABAAEAAQACAAAAAwABAAEA6GGKTAZsZNIY1d6IYj20FRomita81PwI
 
OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
N/A
 
OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
Windows marker version: 0x20001
OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
BIOS Information: 
ACPI Table Name    OEMID Value    OEMTableID Value
APIC            Sony        VAIO
FACP            Sony        VAIO
HPET            Sony        VAIO
BOOT            Sony        VAIO
MCFG            Sony        VAIO
SLIC            Sony        VAIO
SSDT            AMD         POWERNOW
SSDT            AMD         POWERNOW

 

[NoelDP]

The Key here is from an MSDN account.
Does the company have a current subscription to MSDN?
(or BizSPark, or TechNet)

 

[Ninjaboyz]

I know nothing about it. Back to my concern, will it pass Windows validation process on the field? If not I have to act fast. I'm quite new actually in this field..

Thanks for all help..!

 

[NoelDP]

I know nothing about it. Back to my concern, will it pass Windows validation process on the field? If not I have to act fast. I'm quite new actually in this field..

Thanks for all help..!

If you have a valid MSDN account, then all may be well - but if not, then the chances are that these machines will be flagged as non-genuine sooner or later.

I see that you managed to validate this machine today - that is a good sign.

Note that machines with MSDN licenses are restricted to Development usages, not production (i.e. normal office) environments.

Are there receipts for the MSDN subscription anywhwere?
Do you have the account login details?
How many machines are we talking about?
Each MSDN Subscription is limited (in theory) to a single user - and each Key to 10 simultaneous installations.
How many different Keys are in use in your environment?

 

[seavixen32]

Thanks for picking up on this thread Noel.

I know very little about MSDN practices and licensing conditions, as you may have gathered from my initial response.

This willingness to help out is what makes Windows Seven Forums stand out from all the others.

 

[Ninjaboyz]

Sorry, honestly I know nothing about MSDN.. Around 5 machines, another one I confirmed being counterfeited. So what is your advice? Do I need to purchase new copy for them all? If yes how much will it be?

Bed time.. continue soon.

 

[NoelDP]

Not a problem Andy - unfortunately, there are an awful lot of Win7 installations using abused MSDN Keys out there in the wild.
Most come from accounts purchased with stolen credit cards, or otherwise fraudulently obtained - which are then attached to genuine-looking packs for whatever version of Windows the vendor wants to flog. For profit reasons they are mostly Ultimate, as the packs can't be that cheap by the time you take account of the disks, labels, paperwork, and packaging..

We've seen an awful lot of them in the WGA forums at MS.

 

[Ninjaboyz]

For your information I used to repair computer before as part timer, know really little about Windows Activation..

 

[NoelDP]

Sorry, honestly I know nothing about MSDN.. Around 5 machines, another one I confirmed being counterfeited. So what is your advice? Do I need to purchase new copy for them all? If yes how much will it be?

Bed time.. continue soon.

I know that feeling, all too well!

Depending on the machines themselves, the cost may be limited.
First look ta the affected machines - do they have any COA sticker on them at all? If not, that limits your options, as you will need Retail licenses for them before you can think about Volume Licensing.
If they have COA stickers - even for another version or edition of WIndows, then you can consider Volume Licensing. You need to talk to a specialist about that, as the cost depend on the number of licenses involved, and the delivery mechanism.

If you're restricted to Retail licenses, it depends on the work environment.
Are you using peer-to-peer networking, or Domain-based networking?
With the former, you can use Home Premium or even Home Basic for most things.
With Domain networking you have to use Pro or Ultimate. There's no real benefit to Ultimate over Pro, unless you need BitLocker.

One case where you would be better-advised to use Pro over a Home Premium/Basic install would be if you needed to run XP Mode to enable use of software that doesn't run in Win 7.

As far as cost is concerend, check your local reputable stores (I know nothing about them on the Malay Peninsular, unsurprisingly) for details. DON'T be tempted to buy OEM to reduce costs - those licenses will die with the machine, even if it's only two seconds after activation. Retail licenses are transferable to new machines.

Hope that helps - if you need more, you should probably talk direct to MS Volume Sales people (the minimum number of comuters to be eligible for Volume licenses is 5), and discuss with them your needs now and in the future. If you tell me whereabouts you are, then I can probably find a local number for you to phone.

 

[Thorsen]

Usually corperations use volumn licensing for multiple machines. these would be MSDN keys as well. so the previous admin might have set this up:

Microsoft Volume Licensing - Manage My Agreements (VLSC)

Microsoft should be able to help you with finding out whether or not your company has this or not.

oops didnt read far enough down. Great advice Noel

Hope that helps - if you need more, you should probably talk direct to MS Volume Sales people (the minimum number of comuters to be eligible for Volume licenses is 5), and discuss with them your needs now and in the future. If you tell me whereabouts you are, then I can probably find a local number for you to phone.

 

[NoelDP]

Usually corperations use volumn licensing for multiple machines. these would be MSDN keys as well. so the previous admin might have set this up:

Microsoft Volume Licensing - Manage My Agreements (VLSC)

Microsoft should be able to help you with finding out whether or not your company has this or not.

Volume License Keys are Totally different to MSDN Keys - and are declared as such in the MGADiag report.

 

[Thorsen]

Usually corperations use volumn licensing for multiple machines. these would be MSDN keys as well. so the previous admin might have set this up:

Microsoft Volume Licensing - Manage My Agreements (VLSC)

Microsoft should be able to help you with finding out whether or not your company has this or not.

Volume License Keys are Totally different to MSDN Keys - and are declared as such in the MGADiag report.

My bad.

this is what i was thinking of.. but still my bad on tech termonology I was not thinking
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/aa948862.aspx

 

[NoelDP]

Easiy done - and not at all obvious until you look at a few MGADiag reports.
Wander over to Windows 7 Genuine Advantage Validation Issues (Windows 7) Forum sometime, and you'll see what I mean

 

[Joan Archer]

Just clicked on your link Noel and I see Carey is still around.

 

[NoelDP]

Just clicked on your link Noel and I see Carey is still around.

Unfortunately, yes
Every now and then I try and take him down a peg or two - but it's like throwing marshmallows at an elephant
90% of his posts consist of little more than a sales pitch for the MS Store - which has the world's highest prices for MS software. I wonder if he gets commission?