can i use 2133 ram in a 1333 mobo?

[Thornton]

ok, sounds like a stupid question, i know, but if i purchase them by ende of tomarrow i get 25% off, and i plan on upgrading mobo soon. i have been generaly informed on another post that 1600 in 1333 should work, it will just operate at 1333 speed, is it the same with 2133?

 

[Thornton]

ok, sounds like a stupid question, i know, but if i purchase them by ende of tomarrow i get 25% off, and i plan on upgrading mobo soon. i have been generaly informed on another post that 1600 in 1333 should work, it will just operate at 1333 speed, is it the same with 2133?

just found out it may not work anyways because im running amd and it is designed quad channel for the i7, still opinions are good

 

[Thornton]

ok, sounds like a stupid question, i know, but if i purchase them by ende of tomarrow i get 25% off, and i plan on upgrading mobo soon. i have been generaly informed on another post that 1600 in 1333 should work, it will just operate at 1333 speed, is it the same with 2133?

figured i might post the exact ram im looking at because there may be more to it thatn frequency

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL

 

[bobkn]

As you haven't posted your exact motherboard type, it's hard to say.

Some will tell you that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, but I dimly recall that some obscure RAM settings may be optimized for quad channel.

If AMD motherboards are like Intel ones, leaving the BIOS settings at default causes RAM faster than DDR3-1333 to run at 1333. To get the rated frequency, an XMP profile must be enabled in the BIOS settings, or the frequency, timings, and voltage can be set manually. (Note that the RAM that you link to specifies 1.6V at 2133.)

 

[Thornton]

As you haven't posted your exact motherboard type, it's hard to say.

Some will tell you that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, but I dimly recall that some obscure RAM settings may be optimized for quad channel.

If AMD motherboards are like Intel ones, leaving the BIOS settings at default causes RAM faster than DDR3-1333 to run at 1333. To get the rated frequency, an XMP profile must be enabled in the BIOS settings, or the frequency, timings, and voltage can be set manually. (Note that the RAM that you link to specifies 1.6V at 2133.)

no theres quad channel, its the new i7, the lga 2011 socket is quad channel... its the first, and only quad channel im aware of, before that it was a marketing gimmick to make 4 sticks sound prettyer.

as for my mobo AS OF NOW, it is still a stock HP motherboard, but like i said, im upgrading in a couple months, i was just hoping to get a chance to try the new ram if i could to see if it was DOA since it may be more than a month before i get my new mobo... but understandably it may not work with my current mobo simply because hp may not have given me the option

 

[Thornton]

As you haven't posted your exact motherboard type, it's hard to say.

Some will tell you that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, but I dimly recall that some obscure RAM settings may be optimized for quad channel.

If AMD motherboards are like Intel ones, leaving the BIOS settings at default causes RAM faster than DDR3-1333 to run at 1333. To get the rated frequency, an XMP profile must be enabled in the BIOS settings, or the frequency, timings, and voltage can be set manually. (Note that the RAM that you link to specifies 1.6V at 2133.)

now i just noticed somthing about the board im GOING to buy... after the 2133 option for ram on new egg in its specs, it says "(OC)." does that meen it doesn't really support 2133, can just overclock to 2133? or is there somthing im not understanding about it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265

 

[badger906]

Go on www.crucial.com

And find your motherboard by going through the options. Then when found click "view all compatible ram"

It will give you a list of all current ram that will work.

But there's no point getting 2133mhz ram, you won't notice a performance difference between that and 1333mhz in day to day computing.

Quad channel memory is expensive for what it is.. Which is no different from dual channel.

Corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8gb kits are around £40 and a bargain at that. I run mine at 1333mhz either way.

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[Thornton]

Go on RAM Memory Upgrade: Dell, Mac, Apple, HP, Compaq. USB drives, SSD at Crucial.com

And find your motherboard by going through the options. Then when found click "view all compatible ram"

It will give you a list of all current ram that will work.

But there's no point getting 2133mhz ram, you won't notice a performance difference between that and 1333mhz in day to day computing.

Quad channel memory is expensive for what it is.. Which is no different from dual channel.

Corsair vengeance 1866mhz 8gb kits are around £40 and a bargain at that. I run mine at 1333mhz either way.

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im afraid to say that i dont trust crucial. they where wrong abot my mobo last time i did it and also said i could use 1600 ram in my mobo which i cant. believe me when i say as a 3d developer, faster ram is important. and between that, rendering, and gaming, thats far from "day 2day" thank u for your concern in purpose but for what im using it for. i know exactly what i need

 

[badger906]

well gaming it will make 0 difference between 1033 and 2133mhz, any bench mark tests will prove this.

ok fair enough rendering and graphics design do benefit from fast ram, however to get the most out of it youd also need a CPU that can match its pace, intel socket 2011 is where to go.

Also its great having a high powered CPU and ram, but youll hit another bottle neck in the form of mechanical hard drives, yes you saved time rendering, but youll still have to wait all the same to save and load images, soo and SSD would also be a suggestion even just for gaming, youll cut loading times in half.

 

[Thornton]

well gaming it will make 0 difference between 1033 and 2133mhz, any bench mark tests will prove this.

ok fair enough rendering and graphics design do benefit from fast ram, however to get the most out of it youd also need a CPU that can match its pace, intel socket 2011 is where to go.

Also its great having a high powered CPU and ram, but youll hit another bottle neck in the form of mechanical hard drives, yes you saved time rendering, but youll still have to wait all the same to save and load images, soo and SSD would also be a suggestion even just for gaming, youll cut loading times in half.

ssd is on the list already but ty. so what is the highest speed frequency i could get on an lga 1155 you think because im getting an i7 2600k im thinking

 

[badger906]

well an i7 2600k is just a hyperthread i5 2500k, and not a huge jump in performance.
it all depends on the motherboard you choose. find one and go from there.

 

[bobkn]

ssd is on the list already but ty. so what is the highest speed frequency i could get on an lga 1155 you think because im getting an i7 2600k im thinking

"OC" means that something is being run outside the maker's specs. I think that Intel, for example, only officially supports up to DDR3 1600 on Socket 1155. (I'm running 4 X 4 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 on an Asus P8Z68-V Pro board at the rated 1866 MHz. RAM timings are set manually.) I haven't run DDR3-2133, but I expect that it would work. (It would require setting up the BIOS properly. Plug & Play would default to DDR3-1333.) If you want to try DDR3-2133, why not go for it?

When I said that some believe that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, I meant that the belief is that there are no differences between the DIMMs in a quad channel kit and the DIMMs of the same ratings sold individually (or in dual channel, or triple channel). I'm agnostic on that - I don't know enough to have an informed opinion.

I'm not a "3D developer", so I can't advise you based on personal experience. The Socket 2011 board support quad channel RAM, and (in principle) the highest available memory bandwidth, but apparently that's only available to applications that support multithreaded memory access. I also can't tell you whether you'd gain much with fast RAM on a Socket 1155 system. For common applications, the faster RAM frequency is sometimes offset by increased latency (delay) as compared to lower frequency RAM.

Some motherboard makes publish qualified vendor lists for RAM. Asus, for example:

ASUSTeK Computer Inc. -Support- Drivers and Download P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

Alternately, see whether the RAM maker certifies their memory for the motherboard of your choice.

 

[Thornton]

ssd is on the list already but ty. so what is the highest speed frequency i could get on an lga 1155 you think because im getting an i7 2600k im thinking

"OC" means that something is being run outside the maker's specs. I think that Intel, for example, only officially supports up to DDR3 1600 on Socket 1155. (I'm running 4 X 4 GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 on an Asus P8Z68-V Pro board at the rated 1866 MHz. RAM timings are set manually.) I haven't run DDR3-2133, but I expect that it would work. (It would require setting up the BIOS properly. Plug & Play would default to DDR3-1333.) If you want to try DDR3-2133, why not go for it?

When I said that some believe that there's no such thing as quad channel RAM, I meant that the belief is that there are no differences between the DIMMs in a quad channel kit and the DIMMs of the same ratings sold individually (or in dual channel, or triple channel). I'm agnostic on that - I don't know enough to have an informed opinion.

I'm not a "3D developer", so I can't advise you based on personal experience. The Socket 2011 board support quad channel RAM, and (in principle) the highest available memory bandwidth, but apparently that's only available to applications that support multithreaded memory access. I also can't tell you whether you'd gain much with fast RAM on a Socket 1155 system. For common applications, the faster RAM frequency is sometimes offset by increased latency (delay) as compared to lower frequency RAM.

Some motherboard makes publish qualified vendor lists for RAM. Asus, for example:

ASUSTeK Computer Inc. -Support- Drivers and Download P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3

Alternately, see whether the RAM maker certifies their memory for the motherboard of your choice.

ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.

 

[Thornton]

well an i7 2600k is just a hyperthread i5 2500k, and not a huge jump in performance.
it all depends on the motherboard you choose. find one and go from there.

i posted the motherboard i am planning on purchasing on post 6. it is an asrock extreme 4 lga 1155 and i do have to say im a bit of a fan of the dark brown and black. i refuse to do gigabyte as i have had previous mobos from them and their support SUCKS!!!

 

[bobkn]

ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.

Nah. You can get a Socket 2011 CPU for a mere $600.

Intel is supposed to be releasing quad core CPUs for that platform soon, at lower prices than the 6 core units, but I don't know when. It's not clear that most people would prefer a Socket 2011 system over a good Socket 1155 one; the 2011 one might actually be slower for most purposes.

Asrock lists tested RAM for the board that you mentioned. It includes some DDR3-2133 with 4 pieces at 4 GB (16 GB total).

ASRock > Products > Z68 Extreme4 > Memory Support List

As regards support, I suggest buying the board from a vendor with good RMA support. (newegg, for example.) That'll get you past a dead on arrival board. (That happens with every maker I've read of.) Supposedly eVGA has the best customer support, but I've never dealt with them on a motherboard issue.

 

[Thornton]

ty, i looked at the 2011 board, unfortuantly i dont want to spend 900 on a cpu. now i have to ask because i saw this online recently. i found that if your ram is at a high frequency, windows can start getting blue screens (of death) or windows may stop using all 4 sticks, etc etc, or rather, not recognize all 4 sticks.

Nah. You can get a Socket 2011 CPU for a mere $600.

Intel is supposed to be releasing quad core CPUs for that platform soon, at lower prices than the 6 core units, but I don't know when. It's not clear that most people would prefer a Socket 2011 system over a good Socket 1155 one; the 2011 one might actually be slower for most purposes.

Asrock lists tested RAM for the board that you mentioned. It includes some DDR3-2133 with 4 pieces at 4 GB (16 GB total).

ASRock > Products > Z68 Extreme4 > Memory Support List

As regards support, I suggest buying the board from a vendor with good RMA support. (newegg, for example.) That'll get you past a dead on arrival board. (That happens with every maker I've read of.) Supposedly eVGA has the best customer support, but I've never dealt with them on a motherboard issue.

im thinkin ill just grab some 1600 ram, as much as id love to wait for more 2011 stuff, 600 is still a bit steep for minimum wage lol. all i know is i had an old gig. i needed information on the ram, i called their sales and support dep. and it was all automated last time i called, i finaly got ahold of someone, then they redirected me back to that damn machine again. i LOVE new egg. im looking at som ripjawsX 1600 16gb, and that ASRock Mobo and a 2600k, i think badger explained its not that much different from a 1500k i believe it is... but the benchmarks, which agreed are not end all be all, proove that it is a significant difference in multi threaded 3d rendering

 

[badger906]

the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.

 

[bobkn]

the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.

Er, what?

Are you claiming that the current 6 core Socket 2011 CPUs are crippled 8 core processors?

As far as I know, Intel won't currently sell you an 8 core CPU at any price.

 

[badger906]

Yup! Just look at there architecture!! They have 6 cores with 2 added cores below which are never labled. They are arranged in 2 rows of 4.

 

[Thornton]

the 2011 socket is just a rebranded server processor with 2 of its cores disabled... its either intended as a marketing plan, so if AMD ever step the game Intel can unlock the 2 cores and shit all over AMD further.. or more likely its just a way of making money from non perfect chips with one or two of the cores being buggered and a recycling method.

well the good news for me i guess then is that... 2 cores is possibly the worst thing for a 3d developer, thanks for the help, as much as i would love the speed of one of those things, what i really need is a mix of open gl caching (mostly on the graphics card side) extreme speed, and udles of threads, and the hyperthread feature to allow you to utalize more cores u dont really have is great!