help with good 32gb of ram

[Thornton]

I can answer that. The only problem is that you are trying to hold your computer to the rules of Windows XP...when they don't apply anymore. Once you understand how Windows 7 uses memory, you'll see that you most likely have no issue at all and don't need more memory.

thank you for filling me in. it is good to know. still 32gb is rather important when you are live editing clips of data WHILE its caching, youl find the more you have, the more it can cache , in which case as you edit, more will free up, if you do not have enough, you will be editing as much as you are caching, slowing down your machine.

programs like mentalray take a SUDDEN hard hit on your ram then halt.

programs like lux render use a lot for a long time, as much as a week at once.

programs like maya and inventor fall in the same catagory of working while you are caching. when you have 3.9 million faces it has to prebuffer on you screen, only so much can be done on your graphics card.

and if you have a problem and need yo look somthing up while you are doing all this... your SOL.

there are three parts to this.

i NEED about 20gb of ram for rendering

i WANT allot of space left over

i LIKE to go a little over kill to partially future proof my machine should my other components upgrade and demand more

if i can find a way to fit 24gb of ram over 4 dims i will considder that, especially if it is less expensive. still, over kill is good in the media/communications industry.

Hi there
I'd suggest for Rendering etc you'd probably be BETTER off with a decent GPU which offloads this stuff from the processor.

VM's tend to EAT RAM for breakfast but unless you are running a Huge server operation and want several dozen VM's up at once 16 GB RAM on a Home computer is probably more than enough with a decent GPU, a good processor such as an Intel I7 and an SSD.

If you feel you want 32 GB -- fine it's your choice but IMO you might get better value for money in looking at a GPU, a decent processor and an SSD.

Gaming BTW doesn't actually need loads of RAM -- fast Video processing and Disk I/O is more important.

Cheers
jimbo

i agree, and disagree.

i am running a 6970, much more power than one would assume i need, the 3d applications dont utilize more than 80% of my gpu at any givin time, and look to the ram.

as for gaming, especially bf3, you see a larger performance increase from the ram and cpu than gpu. i found this out from overclocking.

and like i said, i could go for 24gb of ram, i just have no clue how to do it in 4 dims

 

[richnrockville]

Thorton.. hit the nail on the head with his comment.

"If you feel you want 32 GB -- fine it's your choice but IMO you might get better value for money in looking at a GPU, a decent processor and an SSD."


Same IMHO
Rich

 

[Thornton]

ok, so i figure, because im taking most of the parts from my old build here and am going to make a rendering server to help render faster... i MIGHT be able to get away with less, but i will say, i want faster ram.

people have told me that 1866 ram isnt REALLY as fast as it says it is, then the comment gets a little confusing, stuff about it just having a higher voltage to simulate a faster transfer rate.

im curious to know if buying 16gb of 1866 is going to be a big improvment (speed wise ) from 1600.

 

[Thornton]

ok, so i figure, because im taking most of the parts from my old build here and am going to make a rendering server to help render faster... i MIGHT be able to get away with less, but i will say, i want faster ram.

people have told me that 1866 ram isnt REALLY as fast as it says it is, then the comment gets a little confusing, stuff about it just having a higher voltage to simulate a faster transfer rate.

im curious to know if buying 16gb of 1866 is going to be a big improvment (speed wise ) from 1600.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9Q-16GBXL

also, this ram says it is design for the p67 north bridge by intel, the new mobo im looking at is a p77, does that mean the ram is going to take a performance hit? if not, does that mean their would be better ram to use that may work faster on a p77?

better yet, the mobo im looking at supports 2133 ram. if i can REALLY utilize this speed of ram, i wouldnt mind picking up to packs of ths...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468

 

[Thornton]

ok, so i figure, because im taking most of the parts from my old build here and am going to make a rendering server to help render faster... i MIGHT be able to get away with less, but i will say, i want faster ram.

people have told me that 1866 ram isnt REALLY as fast as it says it is, then the comment gets a little confusing, stuff about it just having a higher voltage to simulate a faster transfer rate.

im curious to know if buying 16gb of 1866 is going to be a big improvment (speed wise ) from 1600.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9Q-16GBXL

also, this ram says it is design for the p67 north bridge by intel, the new mobo im looking at is a p77, does that mean the ram is going to take a performance hit? if not, does that mean their would be better ram to use that may work faster on a p77?

better yet, the mobo im looking at supports 2133 ram. if i can REALLY utilize this speed of ram, i wouldnt mind picking up to packs of ths...

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL

been doing some research, sonds like the real problem isnt that they are overclocked, rather that the bios of even machines that support that much ram will not recognize it. sounds like a flick of a switch in the bios can fix this too my understanding on most boards, and it may then bu unstable, in which case it may require cpu voltage manipulation to regain a stable setup.

 

[essenbe]

That's the ram I was using. Only 8GB with a 6950. It never came close to maxing my ram or GPU. I can play BF3 all day long and it won't use 50%.

 

[Thornton]

That's the ram I was using. Only 8GB with a 6950. It never came close to maxing my ram or GPU. I can play BF3 all day long and it won't use 50%.

im happy its that simple for you lol

 

[James7679]

I'd be very interested to see what exactly is running when you say BF3 is using 95% of your 10 gigs of ram.

When I am running BF3, my memory usage never goes over 50%. Besides a fully functional 7 x64 OS, I am running;
Nvidia CC
Nvidia display driver
TS3
Procon
XFire
Origin
Firefox
Fraps
Logitech gaming center
Logitech profiler
MSE
Afterburner
CoreTemp
SpeedFan


And you can see my system specs below, I run the game on auto and avg 60fps.

 

[Thornton]

I'd be very interested to see what exactly is running when you say BF3 is using 95% of your 10 gigs of ram.

When I am running BF3, my memory usage never goes over 50%. Besides a fully functional 7 x64 OS, I am running;
Nvidia CC
Nvidia display driver
TS3
Procon
XFire
Origin
Firefox
Fraps
Logitech gaming center
Logitech profiler
MSE
Afterburner
CoreTemp
SpeedFan


And you can see my system specs below, I run the game on auto and avg 60fps.

nothing changes, except origin suddenly starts using more ram, and bf3 fluctuates between 3gb and 5gb. between the two i max around 95% ram, to me, with 10 gb, its way to high to have even 6gb

 

[pparks1]

as for gaming, especially bf3, you see a larger performance increase from the ram and cpu than gpu. i found this out from overclocking.

I didn't see any difference going from 4GB to 8GB of RAM. But I saw a massive difference when I upgraded from my Nvidia 9800GTX+ to my Nvidia GTX 580.

 

[Thornton]

as for gaming, especially bf3, you see a larger performance increase from the ram and cpu than gpu. i found this out from overclocking.

I didn't see any difference going from 4GB to 8GB of RAM. But I saw a massive difference when I upgraded from my Nvidia 9800GTX+ to my Nvidia GTX 580.

im sorry, i was trying to cover the comment about the CPU mor than the ram. i oc to 3.8ghz and that has doubled my performance, now running at 50fps without graphics oc, while ocing my graphics card i see only a 10fps performance boost, graphics WAS 1150/880/1375, now is 1185/930/1450

 

[Thornton]

ok, so i figure, because im taking most of the parts from my old build here and am going to make a rendering server to help render faster... i MIGHT be able to get away with less, but i will say, i want faster ram.

people have told me that 1866 ram isnt REALLY as fast as it says it is, then the comment gets a little confusing, stuff about it just having a higher voltage to simulate a faster transfer rate.

im curious to know if buying 16gb of 1866 is going to be a big improvment (speed wise ) from 1600.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9Q-16GBXL

also, this ram says it is design for the p67 north bridge by intel, the new mobo im looking at is a p77, does that mean the ram is going to take a performance hit? if not, does that mean their would be better ram to use that may work faster on a p77?

better yet, the mobo im looking at supports 2133 ram. if i can REALLY utilize this speed of ram, i wouldnt mind picking up to packs of ths...

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11D-8GBXL

so now i have, i THINK, my last question, if i WHERE to buy 16gb of 2133 ram... my current MOBO only supports up to 1600 ram. will it just not work? or will it step down the transfer rate down to 1600 while in use due to incompatibility? kinda like using a SATA2 cable in a SATA3 MOBO, it will still work, it will just go at SATA 2 speed.
following the principle that a computer is only as fast as its slowest part

 

[DeaconFrost]

Your memory is far from the slowest part, so speeds shouldn't be much of an issue for you. Too many people get hung up on speeds and timings to realize they make very little actual, noticeable benefits. You shouldn't need to buy DDR3 2133 memory at all.

 

[pparks1]

. Too many people get hung up on speeds and timings to realize they make very little actual, noticeable benefits. You shouldn't need to buy DDR3 2133 memory at all.

Yes, benchmarks make it look like a night/day difference. Real world performance, pretty much unnoticeable.

 

[Thornton]

. Too many people get hung up on speeds and timings to realize they make very little actual, noticeable benefits. You shouldn't need to buy DDR3 2133 memory at all.

Yes, benchmarks make it look like a night/day difference. Real world performance, pretty much unnoticeable.

dont forget though, caching a video in live time will go much faster, loading bf3, the intro part, will go faster in theory, programs like photoshop, will open up faster. pop an ssd in there for the apps i want to open fast and the ram will take the rest.

i looked at 1866 ram, its 10 dollars less, and 1600 is 20 less. i would love to say i dont care about speed, but this is another one of those moments, where i bet the real life testing was done only with games and internet page loading with a couple tests of how fast peoples applications load. im not exactly using things that are common household applications. im using over 6000 dollars of video equiptment that doesnt exactly load up emediatly, it can take as long as 60 seconds depending on how many apps i have open.

i could do 1600 ram, but i fear im not going to see ANY major speed increases from my unfortunate 1333 now.

back to my original question though also...
"if i WHERE to buy 16gb of 2133 ram... my current MOBO only supports up to 1600 ram. will it just not work? or will it step down the transfer rate down to 1600 while in use due to incompatibility? kinda like using a SATA2 cable in a SATA3 MOBO, it will still work, it will just go at SATA 2 speed.
following the principle that a computer is only as fast as its slowest part"

 

[Thornton]

Your memory is far from the slowest part, so speeds shouldn't be much of an issue for you. Too many people get hung up on speeds and timings to realize they make very little actual, noticeable benefits. You shouldn't need to buy DDR3 2133 memory at all.

you miss understood, i was saying that to help better explain my point, that because the mobo is the slower part, the ram will have to slow down, again, in THEORY, so thats what the real question was about.

i think you miss understood

 

[Thornton]

. Too many people get hung up on speeds and timings to realize they make very little actual, noticeable benefits. You shouldn't need to buy DDR3 2133 memory at all.

Yes, benchmarks make it look like a night/day difference. Real world performance, pretty much unnoticeable.

i think also im misunderstanding some of the other comments im finding about 2133. some people are stating that underclocking 2133 to 1600 will allow you to get a better performance boost and will leave a larger gap with overclocking your cpu. i kinda get the first part of that, the second part is confusing. how is underclocking the ram to 1600 going to give me better cpu overclocking?

 

[James7679]

Here's the problem, you are using a motherboard from an HP build. I don't think that anyone here is going to tell you that the memory you want to buy will or will not work due to compatibility issues. Each manufacturer states what RAM is compatible with their motherboards. Your best bet would be to upgrade your MoBo, CPU and memory. There's a chance that the memory will work fine. Most cases the memory will just run as underclocked. But I am not telling you it will work without fault.

 

[Thornton]

Here's the problem, you are using a motherboard from an HP build. I don't think that anyone here is going to tell you that the memory you want to buy will or will not work due to compatibility issues. Each manufacturer states what RAM is compatible with their motherboards. Your best bet would be to upgrade your MoBo, CPU and memory. There's a chance that the memory will work fine. Most cases the memory will just run as underclocked. But I am not telling you it will work without fault.

i am...

the new build...
i7 2600k OR 3700k
mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157295
and im looking for the ram, call me impatient, i kinda wanted to try it before then.

as for the ram, i give up, this has a lower latency than ALL the other ram i was looking at, it is a better color, ill live if it isnt 1866 or 2133, there is always overclocking if i need more.

Newegg.com - G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8Q-16GBZH

 

[DeaconFrost]

i could do 1600 ram, but i fear im not going to see ANY major speed increases from my unfortunate 1333 now.

We could say that for any speed RAM you wish to buy.

You are asking some basic questions, and then you are disagreeing and debating with what people telling you. Not to sound rude, but if you have all the answers and are so sure of the differences in memory...why are you asking us?

Benchmarks are benchmarks...regardless of how they are run. Games are often used because they stress a good portion of the system. What we are trying to tell you is that synthetic benchmarks will show a difference in memory speed, but that doesn't translate into real world increases. You are wasting your time and money if you think adding higher speed memory will really make a difference.

If you want to ignore us and throw away your money...that's up to you. We're trying to tell you how it really is, and save you some cash...not only in telling you that you don't need anywhere that much memory...but that you don't need high speed memory.

As for another of your questions, if you underclock memory, you can often run it at lower timings. However, as mentioned, this is all so someone can get another couple of points in a synthetic benchmark that serves absolutely no purpose. When I was a kid, those things mattered to be. I was young and dumb. Now that I'm an adult with real responsibilities, I want a computer that's fast for the purposes I use it for. I couldn't tell the the speed or timings of the memory I have in my primary system....because it makes very little difference. I have 12 GB, and it lets me do anything I want, including play any game or run several VMs.

In theory, the memory will underclock to the supported speed, but given that this appears to be an HP board, you won't have any control over the settings, which further proves the point you'd be wasting money.

In the end, it is your money. Most of us don't sit around wasting time running synthetic benchmarks to see if we can push our memory scores to be 0.0003% higher. My system can play any game and easily handle any video editing and ripping chores I give it...and I don't spend one second worrying about my memory speed or timings.