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[mjf]

Apparently letting a SSD sit idling is more helpful.
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You are lucky you are not one of the few that get lousy 4K-64 results.
As a suggestion I wouldn't upgrade the firmware from 0309 to 000F unless you need to. Your write Acc time will likely increase to .37ms (a repeatable result for me).

 

[A Guy]

Apparently letting a SSD sit idling is more helpful.
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You're saying your computer is better off if you aren't using it? :shock:

A Guy

 

[kbrady1979]

Hey folks, first post on Seven Forums so I figured I better make it a good one! After 2, yes two, failed Intel 520 series SSD's, I made the decision to give the Samsung 830 a try. This is a brand new build, and so far the Samsung SSD is as reliable as they say. Here are the results....

 

[A Guy]

Welcome to Seven Forums kbrady1979. Glad you got a winner at last

A Guy

 

[Britton30]

You are lucky you are not one of the few that get lousy 4K-64 results.
As a suggestion I wouldn't upgrade the firmware from 0309 to 000F unless you need to. Your write Acc time will likely increase to .37ms (a repeatable result for me).

Thanks Michael, good tip.

Apparently letting a SSD sit idling is more helpful.
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You're saying your computer is better off if you aren't using it? :shock:

A Guy

Well, I think TRIM works at idle rather than the logon screen, thereby making it perform better...until I garbage it up again.

 

[kbrady1979]

As I understand it, some SSD's perform TRIM on the "down low", little-by-little, throughout the day, and some will wait until a certain amount of use and abuse has been met before running it. I'm pretty sure a trip to the SSD manufacturer's website would tell ya how your particular model works.

I noticed on my Intel 520 SSD's (while they worked) that it looked like AFTER I ran the Intel Toolbox Optimizer it would perform the bulk of the TRIM command because the HDD light would be solid for about 15-20 seconds. Other than that, the 520 series didn't seem to TRIM the drive a little here and there like my old X25-M 120GB did.

I guess one could run a benchmark test before performing any clean-up, after it's been all garbaged up, and then compare that to a benchmark directly after a manual clean up and see if there is a huge difference. If there is a huge difference, it is probably safe to say either you haven't met the threshold where the SSD would automatically run TRIM, and/or your SSD doesn't run TRIM a little here and there to keep it clean. Of course, YMMV

 

[Hopalong X]

Well, I think TRIM works at idle rather than the logon screen, thereby making it perform better...until I garbage it up again.

GC or garbage collection is only done at idle. This is done on Samsung, OCZ, and Crucial and many other brands.
Intel may have GC on their newest Sandforce based models. I'm not sure they use GC or just the Toolbox.
I beleive they are 530 and 330.

GC requires from what I have read on most brands 30-60 minutes of idle. Of course I would say if it is in bad enough shape speed is slowed enough to be noticed during use that it would not hurt to allow two hours of idle.

Intel 320, 520 and older models did not use GC nor need it.

GC is more complicated than TRIM as it is marking individual blocks that can be erased and reset to usable by TRIM.
TRIM usually takes 15-20 seconds.

If you have a Toolbox as Intel and Samsung they suggest using it once a week to prevent problems.

That is a basic overview.

For more details this is still the best.> Solid State Drive Primer

As always I'm not perfect. If you have better info please post a link and I will edit my post.

 

[whs]

Here is another good article describing Trim and GC: Garbage Collection and TRIM in SSDs Explained - An SSD Primer - The SSD Review

 

[Britton30]

Thanks Mike and Wolfgang, complex articles but I'm getting there. If I understand things, which I may not, GC is in SSDs with Sandforce controllers and TRIM for others, unless the Intel SSD now use GC since the newer ones are SF controlled. Crucial has Marvell and Samsung has its own in house controller.

 

[Hopalong X]

Almost all if not all the Sandforce controllers use GC.
It is part of the firmware for each manufacturer so OCZ and other SF based SSD's will work according to their FW.

Crucial and Samsung use some form of GC in their firmware though they use totally different controllers than Sandforce.
No matter the brand the end result is the same.

TRIM makes the blocks usable to write new info on them.

If an SSD were a wood sided house needing the paint touched up then GC is the scraping and sanding of the old paint getting it ready.
TRIM is the new primer coat.
Then you paint it with your apps/software.

PS for Gary.

Get to scraping. :devil:

 

[kbrady1979]

If an SSD were a wood sided house needing the paint touched up then GC is the scraping and sanding of the old paint getting it ready.
TRIM is the new primer coat.
Then you paint it with your apps/software.

I like that analogy!

 

[mjf]

If an SSD were a wood sided house needing the paint touched up then GC is the scraping and sanding of the old paint getting it ready.
TRIM is the new primer coat.
Then you paint it with your apps/software.

I like that analogy!

Almost poetic - with my Crucial M4 128 GB maybe I should have chosen bricks and mortar.

 

[Hopalong X]

mjf

Have you tried a secure erase on your drive or equivalent cleaning of the m4?
Parted Magic is one I have used to do this. I know there are others.

Then use your Macrium or equivalent to reimage the drive.
Of course Acronis or some of the Paragon software will do both possibly.

I don't know what you use in software for imaging.

On xtremeforums where they are testing the SSD's if one of them slows significantly that GC/TRIM will not restore an SE/wipe often results in speeds returning to normal.
Just a thought if you have not tried yet.

Mike

 

[mjf]

Yes Mike,
I have use used Partition Magic a couple of times now to do a secure erase and then reimaged. The result has been no gains. I have also used this trim tool
SSD Tool - free space trimmer - Crucial Community

This is a curly one.

Michael.

 

[Britton30]

Mike, I thought TRIM erased block too? I hate scraping.:sarc:

 

[Hopalong X]

Gary

No coffee yet and your asking questions.

Maybe I wasn't entirely accurate.
TRIM does erase/reset it.
Aligns the 0/1's so it can be written anew.

I was trying to keep it simple.

I feel like a first grade math teacher trying to decipher Sheldon. (Big Bang Theory)
I'm doing the best I can. LOL

 

[Hopalong X]

Yes Mike,
I have use used Partition Magic a couple of times now to do a secure erase and then reimaged. The result has been no gains. I have also used this trim tool
SSD Tool - free space trimmer - Crucial Community

This is a curly one.

Michael.

I figured as much but wasn't sure.

 

[Britton30]

Well here's the sad story, longer idling doesn't help 4K writes or access times.


Have a cup on me Mike, seems you've learned a lot since your first SSD and now you can help a bozone other newbies out.

Michael, what does "a curly one" mean?

 

[Hopalong X]

Well here's the sad story, longer idling doesn't help 4K writes or access times.
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Have a cup on me Mike, seems you've learned a lot since your first SSD and now you can help a bozone other newbies out.

Michael, what does "a curly one" mean?

I guess you figured out 2 hours is the most you need for yours to idle.

...and quit crying 4K is doing 25.18Mb/s and great access times.

Always complaining about something. :devil:
Change your name from Britton30 to Double Trouble.

 

[Britton30]

Yes Mike, looks like I'll need to get up every two hours and mess with the computer.

I was thinking of changing my name to Hoppy36.