More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[SIW2]

Ed is very pro MS.

That is ok. He is entitled to be - he is expressing an editorial opinion.

His own blog is much the same. That is ok. He is allowed to have an editorial bias - newspapers do it of course.

Read it and see if you can pick up the clues.

I might add - this particular article is more subtle than others from him.

 

[gregrocker]

Where in this "future of mobile computing" do you fit the great mass of productive work which drives the world economy (and even SevenForums) currently done on the desktop?

Do you envision turning your Windows Phone sideways to do the company spreadsheet, or will you save a dinosaur monitor and keyboard to plug into it?

Just askin.

 

[SIW2]

MS have shot themselves in the foot.

Some serious misjudgemenets.

They might well have hastened their decline.

They may be able to recover - they have the resources to keep going.

But they can't afford to keep getting it wrong.

It is fascinating to watch.

It is tough for them - but it is their own doing.

It may benefit the consumer in the long run. It might allow other entrants to the market and enhance choice and freedom - let's hope so.

 

[whs]

It may benefit the consumer in the long run. It might allow other entrants to the market and enhance choice and freedom - let's hope so.

That might be the best outcome of this episode. Let's hope it happens. One company that controls nearly 90% of the market is never a good thing.

 

[gregrocker]

For those who might still be absurdly mistaken that judgement is being passed on Win8 without actually trying it, you should be aware that SIW2 is resident at EightForums providing much of the same foundational early-adaptive support for 8 as he did for 7. He created many of the workarounds and fixes that were pioneered at SevenForums and which it took years for MS own forums to catch up with.

When I was trying Win8 and needed similar workarounds he was the one who answered at 8Forums with deep-diving knowledge along with others who were also active in the early days of SevenForums as pioneers probing the new technology. All of this is hands-on shepherded by the best forums Admins in the world.

So when Si speaks those of us who have learned the most from him listen. He is not just a critic, but someone literally speaking from inside the OS.

 

[sygnus21]

Ed is very pro MS.

That is ok. He is entitled to be - he is expressing an editorial opinion.

His own blog is much the same. That is ok. He is allowed to have an editorial bias - newspapers do it of course.

Read it and see if you can pick up the clues.

I might add - this particular article is more subtle than others from him.

Regardless to all of his other articles, which I've not read, this one here seems fairly balanced to me. My opinion. You feel differently, ok.

Where in this "future of mobile computing" do you fit the great mass of productive work which drives the world economy (and even SevenForums) currently done on the desktop?

Perhaps you're missing those traveling business people, students, and everyday ma and pa's with their smartphones, tablets, and notebooks? They conduct business as well, and they don't want to be bogged down by a desktop.

If I need to get a file to my boss or whoever, I can just grab it out the cloud, or access my desktop via my mobile device and send it off. If I'm working on a file or project away from my desktop, I can just sync it trough my mobile devices so that all my PC's have the most recent file. We're no longer tied to a desktop. That's the future of mobile computing.

Window 8 proposes to tap into that market and make it even easier to work with a myriad of electronic mobile devices.

And I'm not saying Windows 8 is perfect, I'm just saying the idea behind it is on point. Fix a few things here and there, and both mobile and desktop users could have the best of both worlds.

My two cents.

 

[gregrocker]

Desktop experience refers to laptops as well. I use one most of the time. Many use one interchangeably with Desktop PC with no performance diminution. It's tablets where the experience changes markedly.

 

[sygnus21]

For those who might still be absurdly mistaken that judgement is being passed on Win8 without actually trying it, you should be aware that SIW2 is resident at EightForums providing much of the same foundational early-adaptive support for 8 as he did for 7. He created many of the workarounds and fixes that were pioneered at SevenForums and which it took years for MS own forums to catch up with.

When I was trying Win8 and needed similar workarounds he was the one who answered at 8Forums with deep-diving knowledge along with others who were also active in the early days of SevenForums as pioneers probing the new technology. All of this is hands-on shepherded by the best forums Admins in the world.

So when Si speaks those of us who have learned the most from him listen. He is not just a critic, but someone literally speaking from inside the OS.

I agree, and have posted the same sentiments in another thread over at eightforums. That said, we don't always have to agree with his assessments. Others have valid points and opinions as well.

This of course does not take away from the respect I have for his knowledge, insight, and contributions, here and the other forums.

In short we can agree to disagree agreeably and move on

Desktop experience refers to laptops as well. I use one most of the time. Many use one interchangeably with Desktop PC with no performance diminution. It's tablets where the experience changes markedly.

When I speak of mobile devices, laptops (I call them notebooks for their size) are obviously included. But, as we know, sometimes laptops can behave slightly different than their desktop cousins. At any rate they are mobile so I include them

 

[whs]

Maybe that is the new world for some people - being able to do everything from everywhere via the cloud. But I am not part of that world and I would suspect neither are most of the PC users.

When I am 'on the road', I am on vacation. And there I don't want to be bothered. That's one reason why I don't have a cell phone. But I do have a little Nexus 7 tablet. That I use for navigation and planning the excursions of the next day, the occasional phone call to make a reservation at the next hotel (I like to talk to real people and make sure my reservation requirements are understood. That is also one reason I only choose small hotels and not some of those mega chains). Else I use the tablet for some entertainement. But that's about all. I don't even check my mails. Those can wait until I am back home.

This new world is for a small segment of the active business people and they should have a convenient option to do their thing. But that is not enough reason to ruin the OS for the PC for the majority of the users.

 

[Layback Bear]

Of course I can be wrong.
Monitoring things like web usage to judge how people are computing is dumb. I'm assuming that one can use a cell phone and a tablet on the web and still use a desktop or laptop to do their work and use the web.
A mobile device does not replace a desktop or laptop they are just another tool added to ones computing tool box.
Many things control computer sales other than operating systems.
I get a smell from the articles I read that they are assuming when one buys a Ipoke device they throw their desktop and laptop in the dumpster and will never use another one. Hog Bananas.
In my opinion the people and companies of the world can and will use all devices that meet their needs and desires.

If Microsoft would make a operating system that meets the needs of mobile devices and would have a option to meet the needs of desktops and laptops they could kill two birds with one flexible operating system.

I think that the Board Members and Executives of Microsoft are worried that the next thing Microsoft has built will be a gallows.
A change has to be made to improve sales of Windows 8 in both mobile and desktops/laptops.
To me that change has to be giving options to the consumer of what style of Windows 8 they want on what device.
This is my 2+2 must =4 thoughts.

 

[sygnus21]

Maybe that is the new world for some people - being able to do everything from everywhere via the cloud. But I am not part of that world and I would suspect neither are most of the PC users.

This is where we would disagree. Me and you "might" not need this, but I do firmly believe most would welcome it. How else would you explain the success of the iPad, and tablets in general? Now you have the opportunity to easily access your desktop from any device anywhere. Yes, lots of folks would welcome that (me included).

When I am 'on the road', I am on vacation. And there I don't want to be bothered. That's one reason why I don't have a cell phone. But I do have a little Nexus 7 tablet. That I use for navigation and planning the excursions of the next day, the occasional phone call to make a reservation at the next hotel (I like to talk to real people and make sure my reservation requirements are understood. That is also one reason I only choose small hotels and not some of those mega chains). Else I use the tablet for some entertainement. But that's about all. I don't even check my mails. Those can wait until I am back home.

That's how you and I may see it; And Pieper makes a good argument about Leisure and Culture, and how we have become a slave to work, but that's a debate for another time

Anyway people still want to be able to access stuff and having the expanded opportunity to do so is a good thing. In short, just because I'm on vacation doesn't mean my mobile devices are. In fact, they may become even more useful now that I've got some leisure time

This new world is for a small segment of the active business people and they should have a convenient option to do their thing. But that is not enough reason to ruin the OS for the PC for the majority of the users.

True, but today's society sees it differently, and they want the convenience of mobile. Microsoft is just trying to fill a niche. They just seem to have gone so far as to upset the desktop community.

Hopefully this gets fixed, but don't expect them to abandon the mobile market ship

At least that's the way I see it.

 

[whs]

Drew, as you say, we may have a cultural difference and also an age difference. I appreciate your comments and I am certain that many people will agree. But there is one thing I have learned in my short 75 year life - the habits of people do not change that fast.

When I am on vacation (which I am a lot), I visit sites, go to concerts, feast in good restaurants, roam the landscape and just relax. Doing anything that only remotely reassembles work is completely alien to me during that time. But that may be just me.

 

[Indianatone]

Drew, as you say, we may have a cultural difference and also an age difference. I appreciate your comments and I am certain that many people will agree. But there is one thing I have learned in my short 75 year life - the habits of people do not change that fast.

When I am on vacation (which I am a lot), I visit sites, go to concerts, feast in good restaurants, roam the landscape and just relax. Doing anything that only remotely reassembles work is completely alien to me during that time. But that may be just me.

No WHS I think it is an American thing. I am from the UK and we got 4 to 6 weeks vacation (holidays) and the last thing I thought of was work, except going back to it. With the 2 weeks a year and hardly any public holidays and the work, work, work ethic it is not surprising. I have known people here who thought taking vacation was a sign of weakness instead of something to be enjoyed. I think the average American is usually half dead by the time they retire due to overwork and stress issues. Perhaps that is how M$ ended up with Windows 8. :roflmao:

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Ed is very pro MS.

That is ok. He is entitled to be - he is expressing an editorial opinion.

His own blog is much the same. That is ok. He is allowed to have an editorial bias - newspapers do it of course.

Read it and see if you can pick up the clues.

I might add - this particular article is more subtle than others from him.

Regardless to all of his other articles, which I've not read, this one here seems fairly balanced to me. My opinion. You feel differently, ok.

Where in this "future of mobile computing" do you fit the great mass of productive work which drives the world economy (and even SevenForums) currently done on the desktop?

Perhaps you're missing those traveling business people, students, and everyday ma and pa's with their smartphones, tablets, and notebooks? They conduct business as well, and they don't want to be bogged down by a desktop.

If I need to get a file to my boss or whoever, I can just grab it out the cloud, or access my desktop via my mobile device and send it off. If I'm working on a file or project away from my desktop, I can just sync it trough my mobile devices so that all my PC's have the most recent file. We're no longer tied to a desktop. That's the future of mobile computing.

Window 8 proposes to tap into that market and make it even easier to work with a myriad of electronic mobile devices.

And I'm not saying Windows 8 is perfect, I'm just saying the idea behind it is on point. Fix a few things here and there, and both mobile and desktop users could have the best of both worlds.

My two cents.

That's all fine when you have affordable, unlimited access to the cloud all the time. Not everyone does.

 

[sygnus21]

Drew, as you say, we may have a cultural difference and also an age difference. I appreciate your comments and I am certain that many people will agree. But there is one thing I have learned in my short 75 year life - the habits of people do not change that fast.

When I am on vacation (which I am a lot), I visit sites, go to concerts, feast in good restaurants, roam the landscape and just relax. Doing anything that only remotely reassembles work is completely alien to me during that time. But that may be just me.

Wolfgang I don't disagree here. When I'm on vacation, I don't even think about work.

That wasn't the crux of my point. My sole and only point here is the mobility of people, and them having access to their info, for whatever reason.

BTW I guess 54 is young compared to 75, but I sure hope to get where you are

No WHS I think it is an American thing.

And contrary to popular belief, this isn't an American only thing. Add that business is no longer working in a "central" office and you have a very mobile workforce all over the world

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Maybe that is the new world for some people - being able to do everything from everywhere via the cloud. But I am not part of that world and I would suspect neither are most of the PC users.

When I am 'on the road', I am on vacation. And there I don't want to be bothered. That's one reason why I don't have a cell phone. But I do have a little Nexus 7 tablet. That I use for navigation and planning the excursions of the next day, the occasional phone call to make a reservation at the next hotel (I like to talk to real people and make sure my reservation requirements are understood. That is also one reason I only choose small hotels and not some of those mega chains). Else I use the tablet for some entertainement. But that's about all. I don't even check my mails. Those can wait until I am back home.

This new world is for a small segment of the active business people and they should have a convenient option to do their thing. But that is not enough reason to ruin the OS for the PC for the majority of the users.

Heck, I'm that way most of the time, even when not on the road. I do have a cell phone for emergencies but it stays turned off until I actually need it, which is rare. And the tablet is a 15" notebook.

 

[Layback Bear]

Vacation ? I took one once when I was in my 50's. Two weeks. Came back in a week because I didn't know what to do with the other week. Always just worked through the vacation and got double pay.

 

[sygnus21]

Ed is very pro MS.

That is ok. He is entitled to be - he is expressing an editorial opinion.

His own blog is much the same. That is ok. He is allowed to have an editorial bias - newspapers do it of course.

Read it and see if you can pick up the clues.

I might add - this particular article is more subtle than others from him.

Regardless to all of his other articles, which I've not read, this one here seems fairly balanced to me. My opinion. You feel differently, ok.

Where in this "future of mobile computing" do you fit the great mass of productive work which drives the world economy (and even SevenForums) currently done on the desktop?

Perhaps you're missing those traveling business people, students, and everyday ma and pa's with their smartphones, tablets, and notebooks? They conduct business as well, and they don't want to be bogged down by a desktop.

If I need to get a file to my boss or whoever, I can just grab it out the cloud, or access my desktop via my mobile device and send it off. If I'm working on a file or project away from my desktop, I can just sync it trough my mobile devices so that all my PC's have the most recent file. We're no longer tied to a desktop. That's the future of mobile computing.

Window 8 proposes to tap into that market and make it even easier to work with a myriad of electronic mobile devices.

And I'm not saying Windows 8 is perfect, I'm just saying the idea behind it is on point. Fix a few things here and there, and both mobile and desktop users could have the best of both worlds.

My two cents.

That's all fine when you have affordable, unlimited access to the cloud all the time. Not everyone does.

Well I'm not going to apologize for the fact that most do have access. And if you have an internet connection, you have access to it as well. And services like Microsoft's SkyDrive offer 7gig of free space.

And before we go there, I'm keenly aware there are some poor populations out there that don't have access to any type of internet services. I'm also a bleeding heart so we're not going to go there either. At any rate that's not the market I'm talking about.

Peace

 

[whs]

Drew, as you say, we may have a cultural difference and also an age difference. I appreciate your comments and I am certain that many people will agree. But there is one thing I have learned in my short 75 year life - the habits of people do not change that fast.

When I am on vacation (which I am a lot), I visit sites, go to concerts, feast in good restaurants, roam the landscape and just relax. Doing anything that only remotely reassembles work is completely alien to me during that time. But that may be just me.

No WHS I think it is an American thing. I am from the UK and we got 4 to 6 weeks vacation (holidays) and the last thing I thought of was work, except going back to it. With the 2 weeks a year and hardly any public holidays and the work, work, work ethic it is not surprising. I have known people here who thought taking vacation was a sign of weakness instead of something to be enjoyed. I think the average American is usually half dead by the time they retire due to overwork and stress issues. Perhaps that is how M$ ended up with Windows 8. :roflmao:

That is a good point. The first time I had a US assignment in the 60's come the beginning of the year I asked my manager whether they made a vacation plan as we did in Germany. He said no, just tell me when you want to go.

Come June I told him that I was going - for 5 weeks. He nearly fell off his chair. But I went anyhow.

In the meantime I spent nearly 20 years in the US and understand the philosphy. A long weekend trip to Disney Land is considered a vacation - I would call it stress. And a 1 week cruise is a loooong vacation.

Those are some of the cultural differences.

 

[Layback Bear]

whs you stated you still took 5 weeks off.
The places I worked at you wouldn't of had a job to come back to.
The dealerships I worked in payed management by how productive the workers under them were. When employees took vacations productivity went down therefor managements bonus checks were smaller. Therefor you best have another job lined up.