More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[bobafetthotmail]

The entire purpose of metro is to get users into MS online services, ads and other monetising schemes.

And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?

None said that. The review in the article is about windows 8.1, so ignoring the other offenders is normal imho. I mean, everyone knows that Apple, Google and Factbook are doing this, but the news is that this seems to be the future for MS as well.

 

[Night Hawk]

And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?

Those companies did not develop a desktop experience perfected in Win7 which is used for much of the productive work that drives the world economy, and suits consumer needs that are more productive than social. I can knock out a dozen Forums posts on a desktop or laptop in the time it takes to do one on an Ipad or IPhone.

Most of those companies actually created the Social media platforms and content that tempted MS so much to overreact to Ipad and rework their business model to monetize Apps and eventually the OS - completely abandoning it's strength with the productive desktop experience.

Go to any office store or Best Buy and ask them the effect of Win8 on PC sales. Even though they're now being subsidized by MS to take the loss, the fabled decline of the desktop is almost entirely a self-inflicted prophecy. That they think the world's productive work will end up on the Surface is almost pitiable. This is such an unmitigated disaster that it makes New Coke seem like a drop in the bucket.

Are we disloyal to MS when we are the home here to their only successful product, which saved them from Vista and may still save them from Ate? The quality support for the best OS ever has always been right here and we will not be moved to join any suicide pact.

By the time the RC was out back in 2009 I could easily say that whatever came afterwards would be a herd sell since 7 took off from the start as a working OS! Keeping that in mind you would at least expect MS would learn to follow the trend of success 7 brought in with it for seeing a long to live type desktop experience.

The Google jump on the IPxx band wagon with their own Android as well as seeing Google getting into the OS business along with the trend for phone apps growing as that market grew just wasn't something MS was going to pass up on however. The problem is however is that instead of simply staying with RT as the new OS for Surface as well as ARM they decided the next Windows version would be geared for mobile as well as getting all those online subscriptions sold.

The Pro? MS can jump in on the action producing Surface for less to slam dunk the other two by offering more. The Con? MS seems to have abandoned the working desktop needs when producting a Windows without windows! Instead of seeing a second OS develop and continue for Surface they dumped RT on the desktop by simply filling in the gap not having any new desktop ideas to put out there. End user stiffed while MS ponders on mobile gimics and Cloud.

Well by now you realize that "there is a sucker born every minute" that will chew into the "get you coming and going" crud that's being served up! Scroll down using the Apps button at the bottom of the 8.1 Preview to see what's in store for the guilable!

Let's see a look at some of those prepackaged tiles includes: Finance, Food & Drink, Health&Fitness, Music, News, People, replace the word Scan for "SCAM"? naaaa... Marketing gimic!, Sports, Store(MS Store obviously), Travel, and then use the slider to scroll over to the right for what is offscreen and find the things you should be seeing like Calc, NotePad, Paint, Remote, Snipping tool, WMP, etc. with Weather stuffed in between the two screens.

Obviously MS has some new angles being pursued at the same they promote their new Surface Tablet series.

Yes, Nighthawk, I agree that most of the apps should be re-named CRapps, but there are one or two that are OK. I use the weather app, and one game (Pinball FX2) and that's about it, app-wise.

But in 8.1, you need never even see the Start Screen, and you don't need 3rd-party stuff to do it. Simply right-click on the task-bar then go to Properties>Navigation. There, you can customise how Win 8.1 starts, and what it starts to. See pic 2 below.

The All Apps screen can be accessed directly now, without having to go through the Start Screen. All Apps is still somewhat shambolic, but new customising options do help. With a few more options (like being able to hide and move tiles more easily), it could become a viable Start menu. The potential is there. See pic 1 below.

There are at least two ways to get a replacement (of sorts) for the Win 7 Start menu without resorting to 3rd-party programs like Classic Shell or StartIsBack. Firstly, there's the old and all-but-forgotten Quick-Launch tool bar.

Enable Quick-Launch toolbar by first unlocking the taskbar. Then right-click on the task-bar and go Toolbars>New Toolbar. Then drill down to C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer. Highlight, but do not open, the Quick Launch Folder, then click on OK. Go back to the task-bar, and you'll see it is enabled. Configure it by moving the two vertical bars, then re-lock the task-bar. Done! See pic 3 below.

There's also a version of the old 'Win 95/98/XP classic' Start menu cleverly hidden in 8 and 8.1 as well. I used it on the Win 8 DP before I discovered 3rd-party fixes, and it works reasonably well.

Enable 'Classic' Start Menu by following Jimbo's tutorial here... More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8 - Page 18 - Windows 7 Support Forums See pic 4 below.

I do agree re the boiling-water syndrome, and I have come in for some flak on EF for my dislike of the always-online, pay-as-you-go direction MS is heading, and my dislike/distrust of the 'cloud' but I've found ways to avoid, both in 8 and 8.1 So long as I have the choice, it's fine. But I'll dump MS like a hot spud the day I no longer have the choice.

Sorry for such a long post, but I do hope some may find it useful or helpful. And no, I'm not trying to convert anyone, or being a fanboi for 8.1


Wenda.

All screenshots taken from Windows 8.1 preview.

I haven't gone over everything on the Preview quite yet simply having put it on a VM for the time being as a reference install more then anything. MS simply added the optional settings in the properties rather then any signaficant reverse direction as far as moving away from the desktop platform as it shows for itself.

As far as addon quick launch toolbars already done on 7 as well as having been done to supliement the Quick Launch section on the Vista taskbar previously in order to expand on what could be placed there prior to seeing the pin to taskbar option brought in with 7.(another plus for 7!)

To some extent I couldn't feel sorry for those who rushed to slam dunk 8 CP and RP builds on one drive laptops or desktops running 7 without first considering a full system image and not having any 7 installation media to put 7 back on with. The same could said for 8.1 as far as nor being in any rush to simply try and upgrade over or replace 7.

Options? If you only have one HD try the free version of VMware's VM Player or the Oracle VirtualBox to see 8.1 go on a VM to look it over there. Why trash what you have working now for something most simply won't want to be keeping?!

I think once people actually realize the gimic wares are now being thrown in their faces that will be a wake up call. Metro and now 8.1 are not gradual changes from desktop to subscription but a fast slam dunk being promoted by MS out of the clear "Blue"! Windows Blue that is! :sarc: And MS sits back and says: "We have a totally new motivation just for you whether you like it or not! Isn't it wonderful?!"

blahhhhh... as the naive typical user is scratching his or her head wondering "What ever happened to Windows i wonder?" Other companies like SUN with their own OS also sit back and watch as they see their competitor dump the desktop platform and come out with an immediate fail just to get in on the mobile/online subscription ideas a bit late.

 

[Wenda]

@NightHawk: Sorry if I came across as 'teaching grandmother to suck eggs' re the Quick-launch, that was not my intention, and that part of my comment was aimed at readers in general, not you in particular. Again, my apologies. My comments here are also mainly for general consumption, except the points of yours I specifically address.

I couldn't agree more with your comment regarding those who 'rush in where angels fear to tread' by installing betas etc without taking a working system image first. Especially since there are warnings literally everywhere advising against doing so, including here and on MS' own site.

All my OSes from XP on have current images, and a new image is taken whenever I make major changes or once a month/six weeks, whichever happens first. Although I'm currently running 8.1 on this machine, both its Win 8 image and its Win 7 image are sitting there ready to go if required. Having a working system image also means I need never fear attempting upgrade installs, if the install fails or isn't satisfactory, I just bring an image over. Easy!

And yes, if 'you' don't want to do that, a VM is a perfectly acceptable alternative. As some of you may know, I collect operating systems, so a program like Virtual-Box is essential to me. Mine currently has 14 (yes, you read that right, 14) different OSes in it, and runs to nearly 45GB in size. I had intended to toss 8.1 in there as well, but I believe that the best way to test an OS (rather than just playing with it) is to use it under real-world, real-workload conditions. So, it's a standalone setup.

I'm also in agreement with you regarding the 'gimmicky' nature of much of Metro. Fortunately much of it can easily be disabled or ignored by experienced users, but, like you, I fear that the inexperienced, or those who simply 'don't care as long as it works and I can get Angry Birds' mob will be suckered.

Once again, I'm not trying to convert anyone, or behave like a fanboi, because a fanboi I'm most certainly not. There are aspects of both W8 and W8.1 that I dislike intensely (mainly related to their trying to drag me into 'cloud computing' in which I have less than no interest whatsoever), and indeed I have copped several blasts from real fanbois on EF, ZDnet and other places for voicing my concerns.

What I am trying to do is offer a balanced view of 8.1 without the FUD or the 'my mate says it suxors, so I won't be installing it' or the 'I tried it for ten minutes, it suxored, I've gone back to XP' attitude, but also without the 'Windows 8.1 is the duck's guts, it's flawless, and anyone who doesn't like it 110% is a dinosaur' rubbish either.

No, it's not perfect, and it will not satisfy the 'h8-ers'. But nor is it an unusable pile of poo that's no use to 'desktop' users either. I've found it to have no impact on my productivity, and if you've used W8 it's easy to learn. All the bogus net-centricity can be turned off, once this is done and the start menu of your choice is installed (if desired) 8.1 is certainly as good as either Win 7 or Win 8 in desktop mode (IMO, better than 8, almost on par with 7), and is way ahead of Win 8 when it comes to Metro. Which you never have to see unless you actually want to.

Cheers, all!


Wenda.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

The entire purpose of metro is to get users into MS online services, ads and other monetising schemes.

And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?...

I don't use anything from Apple, don't use Fakebook (sic), etc., and have cut my Google usage down to just Google maps (and I'm looking for a suitable replacement for Google maps).

 

[Wenda]

The entire purpose of metro is to get users into MS online services, ads and other monetising schemes.

And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?...

I don't use anything from Apple, don't use Fakebook (sic), etc., and have cut my Google usage down to just Google maps (and I'm looking for a suitable replacement for Google maps).

Fakebook???

I like it. Good one.:haha:

I call it 'Farce-book', myself.... :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:


Wenda.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

And you could say the same for Apple, Google, Facebook, etc., as stated earlier; all of their services are monetizing schemes just as well. So, why is it a OK to do for one company but not the other?...

I don't use anything from Apple, don't use Fakebook (sic), etc., and have cut my Google usage down to just Google maps (and I'm looking for a suitable replacement for Google maps).

Fakebook???

I like it. Good one.:haha:

I call it 'Farce-book', myself.... :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:


Wenda.

Oooooh! Farcebook! Me likes it!

 

[Lone Browncoat]

At the risk of incurring the ire of all you other users here, the foundation of what's happening, that is the push to cloud/subscriptions today harkens back to all your sheepish acceptance of this activation nonsense,starting with XP.
(look what happened with AnyDVD)

You gave Microslop this inch and now they want that proverbial mile [and that's a nautical mile, not a standard/imperial] they've said to themselves, "the sheep have accepted activation for ten years now, lets' push the envelope and see if we can get them to pay by the year or month even".

There was even the inside push to kill the previous non-activation Redmond OSs by moving to the use of Visual Studio 2010+ as the compiler as it contains no support for 2000 Pro or the 9x/Me series. Though those smarter than me have created the modified kernels and unofficial rollups/service packs to get around these obstacles. I have mentioned previously in earlier posts.

Which is why, and I admit, I've gone pirate, with XP and two copies of 7-in-waiting. I really don't care, to me that is the main weakness of having a disk-based operating system, other than the obvious viral attacks. It serves them right, from what's-his-name all the way back to Gates.

A page or two back, one poster indicated that in Europe/elsewhere, Linux, in many flavours, is accepted as a viable business alternative. So it was once with the Atari Mega, MegaSTE and TT series, from simple bookkeeping and databases to point-of-sale[complete with card readers] and CADD services and other third-party applications not heard of in N.America because of the *ahem* stigma of Atari being 'just' a game company and unfortunately that was the misfortune of the computer division. Plus the general lack of understanding of this continent's majority. However if those machines ever had disk failures, they could still boot as the ROM-Based OS was still there, loading into memory. Plus Apple, which was also rom-based (search "Gemulator" *under emulators) had a much larger ad campaign in the world's once largest market [us] at the time.

I guess that's all I want to say about cloud/subscription OSs/software and my fond wish that the future would have unfolded differently. http://www.emulators.com/gemul8r.htm

 

[bobafetthotmail]

the sheep have accepted activation for ten years now, lets' push the envelope and see if we can get them to pay by the year or month even

I don't see why activation is wrong.
It actually allows you to buy a license without any hardware. Otherwise you would have to buy a disk or a whole machine (for smartphones and similar where there is no proper OS, only ROM).

It's completely irrelevant in stopping piracy, but it's actually useful.

The issue is that they want to stop piracy, and subscriptions/cloud stuff are a good idea.
It's more or less the equivalent of those retarded game DRM that required constant online access to ensure they remained activated.
For a game that is still largely irrelevant, but for an OS it's harder to get away with pirating it if half of its stuff is cloud-based.

Which is why, and I admit, I've gone pirate, with XP and two copies of 7-in-waiting.

This might cause an instant-ban. Generally bad idea to admit. Was a pleasure talking with you anyway.

A page or two back, one poster indicated that in Europe/elsewhere, Linux, in many flavours, is accepted as a viable business alternative.

Yeah, here linux derivatives are second most common after pirated XPs. Although pirating stuff is much more prevalent than linux, at least 3 to 1 ratio. All non-pirated medium-sized servers I saw run some linux distro or hypervisor.

 

[Layback Bear]

Lone Browncoat if you don't like or agree with a method to activate a legal copy of Windows what would you suggest?
Their has to be a way for a company to ascertain if their product was acquired in a legal fashion.

 

[Wenda]

I've got heaps of OSes, some MS, many not. Some are open-source, others are not. Some are free, some are not.

But none of them are pirated. I have legitimate product-keys for all my MS stuff except for the really old MS products which don't require a product key. I still have the original disks for them, so I'm covered there as well.

So, if I can manage to run all those, legally, one would think someone would be able to manage one OS without needing to pirate it. It's not as if legal copies, especially of XP, are that hard or expensive to source.

It can't be that hard. Surely.


Wenda.

 

[x BlueRobot]

Does Windows 98 still require a purchased product key?

 

[Scoop]

@NightHawk: Sorry if I came across as 'teaching grandmother to suck eggs' re the Quick-launch, that was not my intention, and that part of my comment was aimed at readers in general, not you in particular. Again, my apologies. My comments here are also mainly for general consumption, except the points of yours I specifically address.

I couldn't agree more with your comment regarding those who 'rush in where angels fear to tread' by installing betas etc without taking a working system image first. Especially since there are warnings literally everywhere advising against doing so, including here and on MS' own site.

All my OSes from XP on have current images, and a new image is taken whenever I make major changes or once a month/six weeks, whichever happens first. Although I'm currently running 8.1 on this machine, both its Win 8 image and its Win 7 image are sitting there ready to go if required. Having a working system image also means I need never fear attempting upgrade installs, if the install fails or isn't satisfactory, I just bring an image over. Easy!

And yes, if 'you' don't want to do that, a VM is a perfectly acceptable alternative. As some of you may know, I collect operating systems, so a program like Virtual-Box is essential to me. Mine currently has 14 (yes, you read that right, 14) different OSes in it, and runs to nearly 45GB in size. I had intended to toss 8.1 in there as well, but I believe that the best way to test an OS (rather than just playing with it) is to use it under real-world, real-workload conditions. So, it's a standalone setup.

I'm also in agreement with you regarding the 'gimmicky' nature of much of Metro. Fortunately much of it can easily be disabled or ignored by experienced users, but, like you, I fear that the inexperienced, or those who simply 'don't care as long as it works and I can get Angry Birds' mob will be suckered.

Once again, I'm not trying to convert anyone, or behave like a fanboi, because a fanboi I'm most certainly not. There are aspects of both W8 and W8.1 that I dislike intensely (mainly related to their trying to drag me into 'cloud computing' in which I have less than no interest whatsoever), and indeed I have copped several blasts from real fanbois on EF, ZDnet and other places for voicing my concerns.

What I am trying to do is offer a balanced view of 8.1 without the FUD or the 'my mate says it suxors, so I won't be installing it' or the 'I tried it for ten minutes, it suxored, I've gone back to XP' attitude, but also without the 'Windows 8.1 is the duck's guts, it's flawless, and anyone who doesn't like it 110% is a dinosaur' rubbish either.

No, it's not perfect, and it will not satisfy the 'h8-ers'. But nor is it an unusable pile of poo that's no use to 'desktop' users either. I've found it to have no impact on my productivity, and if you've used W8 it's easy to learn. All the bogus net-centricity can be turned off, once this is done and the start menu of your choice is installed (if desired) 8.1 is certainly as good as either Win 7 or Win 8 in desktop mode (IMO, better than 8, almost on par with 7), and is way ahead of Win 8 when it comes to Metro. Which you never have to see unless you actually want to.

Cheers, all!


Wenda.

Wenda,

There's a lot of helpful info here. I like your "imaging' practice too. I'm mainly a "cloner", always having a couple of cloned HDD's on the shelf in the event of intrusions (malware, etc, that's too time-consuming to clean up) or in the event of a "user" error... me

. I haven't gotten into the imaging part much but I want to get proficient with that soon.

I've only had a little time with 8 at a demo setup in a store. As mainly a Desktop/Laptop guy, I may not have the need for 8 in the foreseeable future since I don't own any of the modern mobile devices but that may change down the road.

I've picked up a lot of useful info in this thread, in the event that I feel compelled to switch to 8(.1). It's good to know that a 3rd-party install may not be necessary (Classic Shell, etc) to get 8.1 to be useable on a Desktop but my plan is to stick with 7 as long as possible, since it's by far the best Windows OS that I've seen for my home Desktop/Laptop use.

That's probably a skewed pov though, since I went from XP to 7 without a Vista experience to compare that with 7.

 

[mjf]

(look what happened with AnyDVD)

What was that?

 

[Night Hawk]

the sheep have accepted activation for ten years now, lets' push the envelope and see if we can get them to pay by the year or month even

I don't see why activation is wrong.
It actually allows you to buy a license without any hardware. Otherwise you would have to buy a disk or a whole machine (for smartphones and similar where there is no proper OS, only ROM).

It's completely irrelevant in stopping piracy, but it's actually useful.

The issue is that they want to stop piracy, and subscriptions/cloud stuff are a good idea.
It's more or less the equivalent of those retarded game DRM that required constant online access to ensure they remained activated.
For a game that is still largely irrelevant, but for an OS it's harder to get away with pirating it if half of its stuff is cloud-based.

One of the reasonc for activation wasn't just to fight piracy in general as far as illegal dupes getting out but you could easily install each Legacy version on countless machines with only one product key that came with the floppy set or cd(s) at the time. PLUS! editions of 9x as well as ME and 2000/NT would see extra disks or floppies included. Those were for additional Windows components and network resource disks back then.

As far as must connect to account set up online to play game installed on local pc it gets a bit tiresome! If you put a retail disk with one Like STEAM the product key instantly activates to that one install of Windows before you can do anything to avert that part.(like needing to buy a second disk after that happened on the 7 RC). If you had already been running with one of their collection disks the duplicate key error would appear if Windows was reinstalled for any reason! You can't even perform a repair without that getting in the way! GGRRRRR... "take your ... and shove it!"

As you can see it can also be aggravating at times having spent out more then once for the exact same thing. You see that with other softwares as well where you have to be "connected online" or simply have an IE window open when going to uninstall first before performing any upgrade to repair or full clean install of Windows to prevent reaching the activation limit of 2 or 3 if the company allows for OS problems or hardware upgrades.

 

[lehnerus2000]

All my OSes from XP on have current images, and a new image is taken whenever I make major changes or once a month/six weeks, whichever happens first. Although I'm currently running 8.1 on this machine, both its Win 8 image and its Win 7 image are sitting there ready to go if required. Having a working system image also means I need never fear attempting upgrade installs, if the install fails or isn't satisfactory, I just bring an image over. Easy!

There's a lot of helpful info here. I like your "imaging' practice too. I'm mainly a "cloner", always having a couple of cloned HDD's on the shelf in the event of intrusions (malware, etc, that's too time-consuming to clean up) or in the event of a "user" error... me

. I haven't gotten into the imaging part much but I want to get proficient with that soon.

I always image my operating systems and important data partitions, before installing any Windows updates.
That means I only have to go back a month in the worst case scenario.

I often create an image when I install software that I'm not sure of, or that has proven to be troublesome in the past (e.g. graphics drivers ).

I have backup copies of my VMs on external HDDs.

 

[Scoop]

I always image my operating systems and important data partitions, before installing any Windows updates.
That means I only have to go back a month in the worst case scenario.

I often create an image when I install software that I'm not sure of, or that has proven to be troublesome in the past (e.g. graphics drivers ).

I have backup copies of my VMs on external HDDs.

That's a good practice. I'm doing it with cloning but it's not as flexible as imaging. I always have a cloned HDD that's 6 weeks old, cloning to that HDD every 6 weeks. I have another cloned HDD that I keep for emergency use.

 

[mjf]

That's a good practice. I'm doing it with cloning but it's not as flexible as imaging. I always have a cloned HDD that's 6 weeks old, cloning to that HDD every 6 weeks. I have another cloned HDD that I keep for emergency use.

It's difficult for me to sound unbiased when I admit I am . I think cloning may lull people into the false belief that they have some better copy of their drive than what imaging can provide. It simply isn't true. To create a standby OS drive using imaging is really straightforward. With all due respect cloning every 6 weeks is not the way I would approach backups.
I have an image no older than 2 weeks old and will create a new one sooner if I install some new software or updates. I keep images spanning a number of months and use two 1TB ext USB3 HDDs and two imaging programs (Windows 7 native imaging and Macrium Reflect). Any one of these can be restoring to the existing drive or a brand new one in ~ 12minutes.

 

[Scoop]

It's difficult for me to sound unbiased when I admit I am . I think cloning may lull people into the false belief that they have some better copy of their drive than what imaging can provide. It simply isn't true. To create a standby OS drive using imaging is really straightforward. With all due respect cloning every 6 weeks is not the way I would approach backups.
I have an image no older than 2 weeks old and will create a new one sooner if I install some new software or updates. I keep images spanning a number of months and use two 1TB ext USB3 HDDs and two imaging programs (Windows 7 native imaging and Macrium Reflect). Any one of these can be restoring to the existing drive or a brand new one in ~ 12minutes.

Thanks for the input. I'm wanting to learn more about the imaging scene but haven't gotten into it much yet.

I started the cloning action back in October '11 as a way to have a plug-play HDD in the event of an intrusion. It's paid off for me a couple of times since then when I had a couple of annoying intrusions that didn't clean up with safe-mode scans from my previous AV, so I plugged in my clone HDD and was running in a few minutes.

I also run a twice-daily Acronis backup for some specific "must-have" folders & files. That's also copied over to my Laptop.

I tried using Acronis (2011 ver) Backup/Restore, which I believe is their imaging function to another HDD. The "backup" portion of the operation ran for about 5 hrs. I'm not sure if that's typical for a 1 Tb HDD that has about 40-45% used space.

I just haven't yet spent the time with imaging but I want to get up to speed with it as I can see the advantages of that approach.

Imo, there are pros & cons to both pov's, cloning, imaging. I guess it depends on what the user's goal is, with one or the other choice.

I'd like to do both as I have a couple of spare 500Gb HDD's that aren't currently in use.

I have heard of Macrium and have read some about that product at their site. I like what I'm reading there and may try that one as an alternative to Acronis.

The Acronis cloning is simple and fast for me and provides a fast replacement in the event of a Source HDD failure or intrusion. I've also used Clonezilla a couple of times.

I was running Raid 1 for a while on my Desktop but disabled that for a couple of reasons. One was that I had an intermittent RAM issue that was causing Raid array glitches. The other reason is that Raid 1 won't offer a fast recovery in the event of intrusions as both HDD's are mirrored and will get hit with the same bug.

All good info here, as I'm a

compared to 99% of the posters here in Windows/PC knowledge. I can hold up better in an "Astronomy" thread vs a Windows/PC thread

 

[gregrocker]

You might find it easier to use one of the modern automated backup and sync methods such as this one to Sync, Backup and Store your Files to the Cloud with Skydrive - Windows 7 Forums.

I've been using it for over a year without lifting a finger, or any problems. My files are all sync'd across all PC's with the same file master set available on the web.

 

[Jacee]

Does Windows 98 still require a purchased product key?

My Window 98 2nd edition CD has a product key and a Certificate of Authenticity. The instructions say you have to "register" (not activate) your copy of 98.