W7 Prediction

[Layback Bear]

Microsoft has got to be loving it.
Microsoft's biggest competitor is Microsoft.
Microsoft must make the next operating system better than the last. Or we will just stay with W-7.
I think that is exactly what Microsoft is trying to do with W-10.

Many big businesses and industries have just moved to W-7 and will stay their for a long time because of the shear cost of changing operating systems in such a volume.
One a good note; their are hundreds of millions of us that will update to W-10 if it is a great operating system. I will only need two or three copies of W-10 but when you put all the world users together you will come up with some big numbers.

 

[SIW2]

7 is the best desktop os, no question.

10 is just 8.2 and suffers from the the same restrictions. The few changes they have made to the UI may be enough so the average buyer is not repelled by it.

Strollin
I love how people say Win 8 is/was a flop yet it has a larger market share than OS X

Which market? That is like saying Lamborghini has a tiny share of the personal transport market, of course it does.

OSX only comes on machines that cost £1000+ in the UK. 8x was virtually given away to all and sundry, an not many very interested even then. That is why.

 

[lehnerus2000]

At this time

I voted "Yes".
Caveat: I didn't include W10 in my consideration.

I found W8 very annoying (specifically the Start Screen).
W8.1 was slightly less annoying (once it was configured to use All Apps).

W10 TP b9841 was pretty much perfect in my test VM.

The last two upgrades have been backward steps.
If my coding (bad as it is) got worse with each new version, I'd pack it in.


If MS fix the things that they've broken in the last two W10 TP upgrades, (IMO) it has a decent chance of surpassing W7.

There may or may not be valid reasons for not wanting to use Windows 8, but the tiled interface isn't one of them.

In your opinion.
In my opinion it is perfectly valid for people to refuse to use something they find annoying (or worse).

How many people would use continue to use desktops/smart phones/tablets if some "space plague" destroyed all GUIs and only left the CLIs?

I love how people say Win 8 is/was a flop yet it has a larger market share than OS X.

SIW2 hit the nail on the head.
They target 2 different markets (e.g. luxury cars vs everyday runabouts).

IMO, the W8 series is better than OS X, but I wouldn't use either of them.

 

[gregrocker]

I have no idea what market share y'all are referring to,
Manufactures brought back win-7 installs because sells were stagnate

Source: Oct 2014 Operating system market share

 

[lehnerus2000]

I have no idea what market share y'all are referring to,
Manufactures brought back win-7 installs because sells were stagnate

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Source: Oct 2014 Operating system market share

http://www.sevenforums.com/news/351...are-plunge-not-real-just-data-adjustment.html

I guess we'll never find out what the real story is.

 

[gregrocker]

If you back up a month to the Sept chart it comports more with what has been reported all along which is that 8 never breaks 13%:

 

[MouseGolf]

Then take the 3 items off. Those are controversial.

You are correct, I removed them. To be clearer I am referring to W7 on DVD, ISO, Upgrades or OEM computers.

After I edited out those three modifications they were put back into the original post by a moderator.

Think of the post as referring to just Windows 7 in, as-is condition.

 

[ThrashZone]

There's probably 13% participation in win-10TP if not more
Win-8-8.1 was a freebie,
I would not of paid for that version of windows nor upgraded win-7 for it either,
10 is still up in the air but what I've seen I still would not install on top of win-7.

 

[OvenMaster]

All of us here embrace Windows 7 as the best OS produced by M$ to-date.

No way. I prefer(red) XP for its reliability and speed. The only reason I bought 7 was so that I could get updates for software and Microsoft security. Even then, I've kept my GUI and Explorer windows as close to 95/98 as possible with help from Classic Shell, Network Indicator, Classic Start Menu. Windows 8, 8.1, 10, aren't even on my radar.

 

[Ranger4]

I would agree with an update of 7 - but not with your list of changes. Especiall the libraries which I think are a very useful feature. And I also want Aero as default.

And I don't understand John's long tooth. For the desktop, 7 is still the ultimate in my book. And who needs touch on a PC. I have 1 laptop with touch. I have yet to use it for the firat time.

I also like Libraries & the Aero feature.

Touch screens always have dirty finger marks on them & need frequent cleaning.

 

[lffoar]

Ask yourself one question.........If W7 was the only O/S available would you be happy or cranky?
Happy is my bet!
Why change what aint broke?? I'll tell you why:
More $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s for M$oft and that's the only reason they keep changing.
Don't give me guff about "improving" or "new technology" etc etc........
It just comes down to $'s and cents and we dopes keep "upgrading" (should that be backgrading?) just because we are all little Lemmings going to the end of the cliff for dear ol' Bill.

 

[gregrocker]

Bill Gates hasn't been running Microsoft for years. The need to move past Windows 7 is because it is built on an older kernel that cannot support newer hardware and applications that define not only the future but are already here and demanded. Touch is a perfect example. While many of us don't want or need touch, it is as vital now to an OS to have it fully integrated as it would be for a car to have automatic transmission.

Beyond that there are many other reasons that an OS must evolve in "computer time" which is even more accelerated than that of automobiles (for example). Security, networking, voice-over-internet, the growing number of devices being run by PC's (called the "Internet of Things") all make this compelling not just in the next few years, but because of the Windows 8 debacle there is really only months to spare before MS begins losing the future.

Keep in mind that this is being said by one who believes Windows 7 is the greatest achievement in tech history. Until just a few months ago I also thought we'd be hanging around here for years more and passionately defended Win7 holding out for a worthy successor. But experiencing Windows 10 and hearing some of the inside plans recently, I'm excited about the future and the winner of an OS MS is building to embrace it.

 

[ThrashZone]

I for one hope win-10 accomplishes what 8.1.. lacked but it's not looking like m-s cares anymore about looks,
I believe they will leave that to third parties to do the basics 7 has built in and that's just a shame,
I like borders and transparency and I be darned if I'll rely on a third party for those now basic eye candies in 7,
Themes can get expensive and most are buggier that hell

Try and validate visual customs site it is a train wreck 100's of errors

 

[MouseGolf]

I'll have to keep a Win 7 installation for a while as I have one application that does not work on Win 8/8.1 (RS232 connection to my wife's Singer Embroidery machine). I have a Prolific USB/RS232 adapter and it doesn't connect in Win 8.1 (I get Code 10) and from what I find googling it is not Win 8 compatible. If it turns out Win 10 will support it then Win 7 will go.

I found several of my older programs from 1999-2003 worked just fine with Windows 7. Honestly, I still use Office 2000 and FrontPage 2000 and two golf games produced in the beginning of the 21st century. Three of those did not work on W8. To those who say upgrade to other web authoring tools or office suites; no that is not necessary. That is why Windows 7 has compatibility tabs in Properties. It's just that simple to create an environment for a older programs to work just fine in W7.

But most discouraging to me was the incredible amount of icons and silly ribbons on Office 2007 and all other Microsoft Desktop publishing and clerical programs.

When the personal computer became mainstream, the designers had "less is more" mentality.

The best ideas appeared in Windows XP to Windows 7 (should have kept movie maker 6 in W7) but I was able to download that from source forge (64 bit WMM6) and installed it on W7 and it works flawlessly.


Pretty simple Microsoft (and I hope you read these points). Keep a PC OS separate from the other platforms. Tiles are useless and thank goodness I can use Classic Theme in Windows 7 (missing in W10) to disable the thumbnail previews on the taskbar of programs and web pages that are minimized. Pointing at them and seeing the text description is plenty. (note: I'm not at all against Aero, I think it's nice looking and I do use a Theme from time to time. For gaming, I like Classic Theme.)

 

[ThrashZone]

I never minded the ribbons too much I've had 2007 since it was released,
It does make no sense to have the quick access toolbar with little bitty icons when the ribbon is huge,
About my only complaint though,
Cheers.

Business contact manager is a joke though

 

[gregrocker]

I use Mail, Skype and Calendar apps in Windows 10. Having them over to the side of the Start menu is useful because I can see my latest mail in 3 mailboxes, Calendar appointments and Skype calls or messages at a glance. I've also set these to pop-up ("toast") from System tray. The other apps are already removed and will be uninstalled after I give each of them a fair trial later. I don't see any compelling reason to use the Apps Video or Reader, do you?

I understand we'll soon be able to drag Apps tiles to the Desktop, which ironically puts us back to the Start screen but one which we make ourselves. I won't mind having my Apps tiles on the desktop, although I first want to determine if I prefer them there or in the Start Menu. Probably both, since I cross those paths about equally.

 

[ThrashZone]

Probably the equivalent to messengers on steroids with 8.1 and now 10TP Grego,

Low powered or slow internet will indeed make them unbearable to many
I personally never liked messengers one bit on a desktop or laptop,
Cell phone is totally different though and I've always used them there because that's indeed where I am
So any on a computer is unneeded in that respect and are avoided
Cheers.

 

[lffoar]

Bill Gates hasn't been running Microsoft for years.

Yes I know, so I will Correct:
It just comes down to $'s and cents and we dopes keep "upgrading" (should that be backgrading?) just because we are all little Lemmings going to the end of the cliff for dear ol' Micro$oft.

The need to move past Windows 7 is because it is built on an older kernel that cannot support newer hardware and applications that define not only the future but are already here and demanded.
Touch is a perfect example. While many of us don't want or need touch, it is as vital now to an OS to have it fully integrated as it would be for a car to have automatic transmission.

Couldn't it be "tweaked" with service packs or updates without the worldwide expense of pushing out a system which is at best, mediocre? Greg, I bow to your superior knowledge, I think a kernel is a nut but surely the continuing debacles are not necessary for any other reason but $$$$'s?

Beyond that there are many other reasons that an OS must evolve in "computer time" which is even more accelerated than that of automobiles (for example). Security, networking, voice-over-internet, the growing number of devices being run by PC's (called the "Internet of Things") all make this compelling not just in the next few years, but because of the Windows 8 debacle there is really only months to spare before MS begins losing the future.

I think the only "future" M$oft are interested in is the dividends at the end of the year. Do they listen to people such as yourself when developing these mostly disliked O/Systems or do their "geeks" actually read forums like this? I doubt it. We are force fed unfortunately. I know, I know, I can hear it now "If you don't like it piss off and don't use it".

Keep in mind that this is being said by one who believes Windows 7 is the greatest achievement in tech history. Until just a few months ago I also thought we'd be hanging around here for years more and passionately defended Win7 holding out for a worthy successor. But experiencing Windows 10 and hearing some of the inside plans recently, I'm excited about the future and the winner of an OS MS is building to embrace it.

I hope you are right but I won't hold my breath.

 

[strollin]

Microsoft is in business to make money for their investors, right? In order for them to keep making a profit, they need to keep moving forward and producing products that people will buy. Whether we consumers are Lemmings or not is debatable, I personally don't run out and upgrade my machines every time MS releases a new version. MS does not force anyone to upgrade (with exceptions such as upgrading from Win 8 to 8.1 with no charge to the consumer).

If you feel that MS's current product isn't for you then don't buy it. If others wish to buy it that is their decision. MS would very much like to have every new release of their OS be wildly popular but that isn't the case.

Win 7 was/is a very popular OS and a hard act to follow. With Win 8, MS tried to move toward a lofty goal, an OS that would run on all of your devices - phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, etc... Win 8 is an interim step, Win 10 will hopefully bring us closer to that reality. I personally like that I can run Win 8 on my tablet with a touch interface or run it on my desktop using a mouse and keyboard.

 

[Layback Bear]

NEWS FLASH.

Microsoft is in business to make money. Da