new hard drive enclosure, drive doesn't register

[5thman]

I'm having the same issues as this lady. I have two IDE hard drives from older computers that I want to try to recover data from. I got a new enclosure all set up, plugged the first drive in (Drive 5), and it doesn't register under My Computer. I right click My Computer, go to Manage, avoid initializing/formatting the drive, and find that it's offline and unallocated. This is what it looks like.

I right click the drive listing (left side) and click Offline, hoping that'll bring it online. "The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error." Right click the right side, and I see "new simple volume, new spanned volume, new striped volume, properties, help." The latter two are clickable, the rest gray. I do everything the 'net tells me to do: change the jumper to Master, clean it with compressed air, restart the computer, restart the enclosure, reinstall the enclosure driver. Nothing changes.

I try plugging the enclosure into mom's laptop, and "offline" is now grayed out when I right click the left side of the drive listing. On the right side, "new simple volume" is clickable now, but my friend says that will also initialize the drive and erase everything, so I didn't try it. Apart from these differences, everything was exactly the same.

So I use the steps in the thread I linked in the beginning, hoping that the data recovery tool might be able to access the drive. When it scans all devices, however, the enclosure's light goes out, as if it's hiding from the scan. Once the scan ends, the light comes back on. The external drive is unlisted.

I haven't tried the other hard drive yet, but I'm not expecting much better from it. Any suggestions?

EDIT: A photo of the drive itself. It might be the older of the two, as the circuitry is facing outward and not inward.

 

[dsperber]

What kind of enclosure did you buy? The drives may be genuinely unusable, or it might be a problem with the enclosure.

When I want to salvage data from old drives I use this old tried-and-true Kingwin SATA/IDE->USB 2.0 adapter. Very inexpensive (so you can try it out yourself for minimal cost investment), but very reliable in my own experience. If you have a very large drive (e.g. SATA) that you want to access, it might be worth considering their USB 3.0 version for just a few dollars more because of the much faster USB 3.0 transfer speed.

I wouldn't give up yet on your IDE drives yet until I'd given this other adapter approach a shot. Never failed for me.

 

[5thman]

I got a "Sabrent" enclosure for about $20 bucks brand new.

Also, shortly after posting here, I tried the second hard drive and it worked with no trouble at all. So I guess either the first hard drive has its own problems, or it's too old for the enclosure to handle. I have my doubts about the latter.

 

[5thman]

What exactly is the adapter for, anyway? The page you linked seems to assume I know what it is already. That is, what exactly does it do?

Also any further suggestions would be appreciated, especially regarding what to do if the drive is damaged. It is definitely the older of the two drives and possibly ran Windows 2000 when it was our family comp. I'm anxious to recover the data if at all possible, since it's basically a time capsule now.

Thanks in advance.

 

[alphanumeric]

The adapter lets you plug a hard drive into it and then plug the USB cable into your PC to access it. I have one just a different brand. It has IDE, laptop IDE, and SATA ports on it. It's meant for file recovery, not everyday use. There is no enclosure.

 

[dsperber]

What exactly is the adapter for, anyway? The page you linked seems to assume I know what it is already. That is, what exactly does it do?

As Alphanumeric explained, it's just a way to remove a hard drive from a case and using appropriate cables and/or IDE/SATA connectors provided in the adapter kit box, you just plug this "naked" drive into the central gizmo. Then you plug another cable into the gizmo which has a USB connector at its other end, along with a drive power cable (and adapters, for drive power connector type IDE or SATA) that also comes with the kit.

So you've now got the standalone IDE or SATA drive connected to power, and to the gizmo through the appropriate connection type for data. I usually then sit it down on the cardboard carton of the adapter kit so it's on something solid.

With the drive already powered up and running in this standalone external state, you then plug the USB end of the data cable into the PC. Presto, that external IDE/SATA drive now appears to be an external removable USB-interface hard drive, same as you might by from Western Digital MyBook or Verbatim or any external USB drive. Today these external USB drives are ALL actually SATA drives inside of an enclosure that provides a USB interface, i.e. EXACTLY LIKE THIS ADAPTER SETUP I JUST DESCRIBED... except without an enclosure.

As with all removable USB-interface drives that get plugged in, Windows will connect using MSC protocol which causes them to get a drive letter(s) assigned for each partition discovered on the drive. You then attempt to access the drive(s) contents using Windows Explorer or other tools, and salvage any data you can, copying everything to some other new storage so that you can throw the old drive away when you're done.

And as with any MSC-connected removable device, when you're done with your work you "safely eject" the device (i.e. right-click on the "safely remove hardware" icon in System Tray and select as appropriate from the popup menu), and then remove the USB cable from the PC, and then now it is safe to pull the power cord from the wall for the device and uncable the drive from its connections, and then probably throw the drive away.

Also any further suggestions would be appreciated, especially regarding what to do if the drive is damaged. It is definitely the older of the two drives and possibly ran Windows 2000 when it was our family comp. I'm anxious to recover the data if at all possible, since it's basically a time capsule now.

My sympathies. I know the situation, and how you're feeling. This is another example of priceless irreplaceable data for which you didn't have backed up somehow (word to the wise for the future).

I only suggest the adapter idea because (a) it's a second approach to possibly successfully accessing the drive, since your first external enclosure approach was unsuccessful, and (b) it's hardly any cost at all, so it's definitely at least worth a shot. There's no guarantee the adapter approach will work, but it's a very simple mechanism based on a USB interface that I know I've had success with and I'm not familiar with the external enclosure you tried first.

There's no guarantee it will work, as your enclosure results suggest that either the drive is truly fried or has become unusable. And of course if that's the case your only option is what will no doubt be a ridiculously expensive "data recovery" adventure with 3rd-party services that normally deal with trying to recover important data for businesses, who don't care about price. But when I've called these on rare occasion when I was in a situation like yours (i.e. my drive simply died, and I didn't have a usable current backup) the prices quoted were simply too unbelievable for me to accept. On the other hand, if the data lost is priceless than any price to recover it is not too much, I guess.

I don't know what to suggest, aside from my inexpensive suggestion to try another way to interface to the drive with the adpater, and see if you have "recognition" of the partition(s) on the drive and can actually now get to its contents. Certainly you obviously cannot "format" the drive, as that will erase its contents not preserve its contents. So if the adapter experiment also claims that the drive is unreadable or unformatted or unusable, I'm afraid you're "doomed" by conventional ordinary recovery method standards using ordinary hardware ideas.

And now it's up to you just how far you want to go with a 3rd-party data recovery service and how much you're willing to spend.

 

[5thman]

My sympathies. I know the situation, and how you're feeling. This is another example of priceless irreplaceable data for which you didn't have backed up somehow (word to the wise for the future).

Yeah this computer was either before reliable flash drives, or was so wracked with malware that it was unusable. I can't remember which. Probably both.

I wouldn't mind using the adapter if I thought it was any different than an enclosure. What's the difference besides the lack of a container for the drive?

 

[DocBrown]

Welcome 5thman

I have tried many of the different enclosures, adapters, and Hard Drive docks. Sometimes a failure with one type will be a success with another type, or vice versa.

Yes, the IDE drive jumper needs to be set to master. Also try connecting on different computers, as you have already tried. If they are full size desktop HD's make sure you have a good power connection.

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[alphanumeric]

My sympathies. I know the situation, and how you're feeling. This is another example of priceless irreplaceable data for which you didn't have backed up somehow (word to the wise for the future).

Yeah this computer was either before reliable flash drives, or was so wracked with malware that it was unusable. I can't remember which. Probably both.

I wouldn't mind using the adapter if I thought it was any different than an enclosure. What's the difference besides the lack of a container for the drive?

I don't think there is a whole lot of difference really. basically the same electronics inside. The advantage of the adapter, for me anyway, is it will work with any hard drive I might have to retrieve data off of. Enclosures can restrict you in what drive you can connect. Example, those made for laptop IDE drives won't work with full sized IDE drives or SATA drives. And the those for IDE/SATA won't work with laptop IDE drives. And some are IDE only or SATA only. For data recovery the adapter is usually a better choice, especially if you know your going to use it more than once.
Enclosures are good if you want to repurpose the drive. I have several here at home. If I can boot up the PC and get into Windows, I use those to copy the data via USB.
Some enclosures can be finicky about what drives are connected. All depends on how good the firmware is. Some of the early ones that came out had size restrictions etc. They didn't play nice with all drives. I don't think that is an issue anymore. The one gotcha that is till there is jumper settings for IDE drives. Some enclosures may want it jumpered as Cable Select and some will only work if its set as master. Get it wrong and the drive doesn't get detected.
In your case, it sounds like the drive has failed. If you haven't already, you could try just plugging it in as a slave in another PC. If it's a SATA drive that should be easy enough to do.

 

[5thman]

Kingwin SATA/IDE->USB 2.0 adapter.

This came in the mail today, but the driver failed to install, likely due to our internet service being about as stable as an ice cream bridge. So I went to uninstall the device driver and try again.

It's been hanging on "confirm device uninstall" for the past ten minutes and shows no sign of finishing. I don't know what the hell to do anymore.

EDIT: Unplugged the device and it abruptly went away. Plugged it back in and it tried installing the driver again, this time with full five bars of internet (supposedly). Failed anyway. I downloaded the device driver manually but I have no clue what to do with it, nor what to do if it still fails. I can't tell if the universe hates me, or just my computer, or just the windows automatic driver update program.

 

[Berton]

I recently retired a BlacX single drive and replaced it with a dual-bay BlacX box, no drivers were needed for the box and most of the drives I've put in it have been recognized and the only one that didn't work was recognized but had the dreaded clicking, couldn't access it. Both boxes are for SATA drives only. I can use a mix of sizes, 1x 2.5" and 1x 3.5" or 2x of either size.

I use an adapter cable similar to the Kingwin mentioned for the PATA drives.

 

[5thman]

I fail to see how this has anything to do with my current issue. So I guess I'll try to learn how to manually install the drivers and hope it works.

EDIT: The device manager tells me, after I selected the driver folder and tried to manually install, that I don't need to manually install the device driver because the driver is already installed and up-to-date, despite the fact that the device told me it failed to install correctly, and the device itself doesn't actually show up under My Computer. Anyone have any useful suggestions?

 

[Berton]

The relevance is that drivers usually aren't needed [and not included with mine] if the USB ports are otherwise working properly. Several years ago Win98SE needed drivers for USB devices added to the computer, WinXP made great strides in that area. If a USB device doesn't work on a computer I always try the device on a different computer to narrow the possibilities of what is failing.

 

[5thman]

Ahh I see. Then how do I access the device if it doesn't show up under My Computer when I plug it in? It shows in the Device Manager, but all the info on it is identical to another usb driver listed there -- I can't even tell the two apart unless I highlight one and disconnect, and see which one disappears. And I wouldn't know what to look for if I plugged it into another computer, to tell what exactly is failing.

 

[Berton]

Mine also doesn't show in Windows Explorer or File Explorer until I plug an HDD into it.

 

[5thman]

But it is connected to the drive I want to scan. Does that mean this device can't detect the drive either? 'Cos the enclosure acted like there was nothing there, but was able to read my other device just fine, and I have a feeling the same will be true here.

 

[Berton]

Does the drive show in Disk Management? If so can a drive letter be assigned to it? If both are No there is a high probability there has been a failure.

 

[5thman]

Does the drive show in Disk Management? If so can a drive letter be assigned to it? If both are No there is a high probability there has been a failure.

No, it doesn't seem to show at all. When I used the enclosure, it showed, but I couldn't do anything with it but reformat, which wasn't an option for me since the whole point was to recover the data on the drive.

 

[Berton]

If formatting is the only choice it usually means either the partition/s on it are lost or the formatting got corrupted or changed. Have seen drives become formatted as RAW, difficult to deal with. I've determined that by booting to a GPARTED partitioning program just to see what I could. Have also booted to a Linux LiveDVD and sometimes able to do more.

 

[alphanumeric]

Try that device/hard drive in another PC before you format the drive. I think you have software issues on that PC. That should be plug and play with no drivers needed from the internet.