Windows 10 worse than windows 8

[ThrashZone]

I give up Kari you only see what you want to see sir.

 

[Kari]

I give up Kari you only see what you want to see sir.

I am sorry but the only way I can take that is that you really cannot produce any examples of these "search issues".

I am always willing to listen reason, always willing to learn, I am always willing to admit I might be wrong. That is exactly why I would like to get some examples. It is quite impossible to have a decent discussion when someone states something I really believe is not valid, I counter argument it asking for feedback and examples and only get an answer "I give up", rather than real factual examples.

But, as you wish.

 

[ThrashZone]

I've given too many examples already if you missed them please read the replies again slowly.
I'm not repeating myself again.
Cheers.

 

[Kari]

I've given too many examples already if you missed them please read the replies again slowly.
I'm not repeating myself again.
Cheers.

I have read your posts in this thread several times and the only thing which could even remotely be called "search issues" is your complaints that when searching from Taskbar, the results include Bing online results.

So, fourth time: DO NOT USE IT! Do not search from Taskbar search. Disable Cortana, use Explorer search for local searches and your browser for web searches.

That problem solved, do you have any more issues I could help you with?

 

[ThrashZone]

Old joke patient said doctor my arm hurts when I raise it
Doctor said don't do that = cured here's the bill

 

[Kari]

That joke is not a very good metaphor to represent this discussion.

You are complaining about something which has a real simple solution: stop using it, Windows has a build-in alternative, a search function which does not present Bing online search results among your local searches. You get accurate local search results using the Explorer search with absolutely no traces of Bing, you know it, but admitting it and starting to use it instead of the Bing search you couldn't complain. Ergo, you continue using Bing in order to have something to complain.

It's like complaining "I do not like the black background in Windows" when you have selected not to use a desktop wallpaper or a bright color but instead use a single color black background. The solution is there, change the background color or set a desktop wallpaper. "No because then I had nothing to complain!".

 

[Arc]

I love 7. I always said that it is the best OS that I have used. 8 came, I tried and rejected. Then 10 came. I tried and stayed.

Not 100% true .... I came back to 7. After using 10 my darling OS (that is 7) feels like a primitive one to me. Only one thing apart (that is the default theme) 10 is much more acceptable than 7 to me.

I still have 7 installed in my laptop. May be it will also go after the release of the RTM.

But that is only me. If anybody dont like 10, they may continue with 7, there is no problem. I did not like 8, but did not hate that one, because nobody is forcing me to use that OS that I dont like. That is totally on me. I will decide which OS i will use, based on my own choice.

Windows 10 will rule, as XP did, and 7 did. Ronaldo was great, I was his big fan. But his time is over. And Ronaldo is great, too. I support him out and out.

 

[whs]

Archie, What you say is that everybody should use what they like - and that is fair. I was happy with Vista, W7 is great and I like 8.1. I guess ultimately I will use W10.

But the discussion here is about the general direction that MS is taking. The one system for all devices, the dependency on the cloud and the automatic (hidden) actions that are being taken without user consent.

Kari keeps saying that you can make yourself independent of all of that and operate in you own little patch. For some things that's true, for others it is not plus you need a good amount of skill to disconnect yourself from the designed path.

And at the end we will all be the lemmings that follow the leader. I now understand why the Linux people like their freedom of choice.

 

[Arc]

I understand what you are saying, Wolfgang.

I think Linux needs more skills than windows to do a good amount of necessary things. Sudo.

As a merely average user, I find that Windows 10 is better for me. It is an overall feeling ... hard to pinpoint which part I like the most and why. What I have noticed that it performs better than windows 7 in essentially identical conditions.

Cloud based computing is not very possible with the poor internet speed that I can avail, still OneDrive is not a big problem with that little speed. When something is uploaded there, it is as easily accessible as it is in my HDD.

About the actions without user's consent, I really dont have an idea which are those. Rather I am sometimes annoyed as it keeps asking for permissions when I know what I am doing.

I also have the way to use a local account, so OneDrive, XBox, Skype and other similar things can easily be dropped. If I need to use those in local accounts, I have that way, too.

From another perspective, the most popular gadget of this time is an android/microsoft phone/tab. We use those devices everyday as always logged on using a google/microsoft account, for gaming, facebook, email etc. A windows phone even save the phonebook contracts as hotmail contracts!! So using a microsoft account on a desktop or laptop PC will not be a very big issue to the majority of the users. They are already habituated with this practice.

Microsoft is a business concern. They will try to maximize their revenue by keeping users connected with them, by making them use the apps from their stores (as it is done by android and apple). If they dont do it, they will earn less revenue than their competitors; which will have a big bad impact on the concern in turn. So what they are doing is good for them.

As a customer I have to decide whether it is good for me or not. Let us use the preview and judge it ourselves. It is not necessary that all our judgements will coincide. Buying their product is on me only. If I dont like their product or their way, I may keep with the old one by them that I liked; or even I may use another alternative, like Linux as you said. I really dont need to remain as a dissatisfied customer.

 

[whs]

Well, W10 is work in progress. So I will withhold my final judgement on the content until RTM. I am sure it will be an excellent OS for a lot of people.

Right now we can only discuss the general direction that it is taking. And there I have my reservations. I am a 'private' person and don't like my stuff to be spilled all over the web. And I really do not want all my devices to be synced because they all serve their own purposes.

The other day I set up Chrome on a new PC and the next thing I saw was that my bookmarks from one Chrome in one of my Linux machines was synced to this new Windows machine without asking me. That's the kind of nuisance I do not want. I am sure there was a setting to avoid that, but I did not investigate - I just wanted Chrome as an additional browser on that new PC.

Or the example I gave earlier where my new 11" laptop was automatically device encrypted because I was signed into my MS account. And since this is something new for Instant Go enabled 8.1 devices, I had the hardest time to find out what was going on. But I finally managed and wrote the whole procedure down.

 

[Arc]

The other day I set up Chrome on a new PC and the next thing I saw was that my favorites from one Chrome in one of my Linux machines was synced to this new machine without asking me. That's the kind of nuisance I do not want. I am sure there was a setting to avoid that, but I did not investigate - I just wanted Chrome as an additional browser on that new PC.

I had the first build of 10 installed in VM. When I did a clean install of 9926 on the physical machine, it automatically applied the desktop wallpaper, taskbar pinned and start-menu tiles etc as in that VM install. I really liked it!

 

[andrew129260]

I just find it funny that people complain over a FREE OS.

Well for the first year anyway....

Even if I do not like it, I did not pay anything for it.

Probably will still move to linux, but I will keep it in a vm.

 

[whs]

Would you eat food that you hate if they handed it out for free. If yes, in China you can have cat, dog, rat, snake and a few other lekker meals.

 

[whs]

The other day I set up Chrome on a new PC and the next thing I saw was that my favorites from one Chrome in one of my Linux machines was synced to this new machine without asking me. That's the kind of nuisance I do not want. I am sure there was a setting to avoid that, but I did not investigate - I just wanted Chrome as an additional browser on that new PC.

I had the first build of 10 installed in VM. When I did a clean install of 9926 on the physical machine, it automatically applied the desktop wallpaper, taskbar pinned and start-menu tiles etc as in that VM install. I really liked it!

Now see, this is something I do not like. Example: For my 11" W8.1 system I set up a high definition Theme because it is a lot easier to read things. Now if I install 8.1 on my PC with the 22" screen, I do not want a high def theme because on the big screen I can read things.

If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.

And there is main point: we are losing choices. Also, the places to make those choices should be easy for anyone to find.

 

[gregrocker]

Wolfgang, concerning privacy I would be much more concerned about the Chrome you installed than anything from Windows.

Chrome, like any Google program, is pernicious spyware. You cannot turn it off as long as it's installed. With Google sites like Youtube, you can stay signed out to not be tracked, but Google programs are tracking your every move and pasting into browser ads based on your private searches and even email conversations.

This can be mitigated some using Consumer Opt-out | NAI: Network Advertising Initiative to minimize tracking cookies, but Google doesn't really heed any of these industry initiatives for long. . Their spying is pernicious. Watching your behavior, they are googly eyed.

By comparison, Microsoft curbs Google spying by letting you choose Google as your primary searchbox search, but like Firefox won't let them transmit spying data out of the MS browser. MS has a corporate culture that values consumer privacy as a first principle; Google has a slogan "Do no evil" which is considered an industry joke.

As to the Bing searches being tagged onto Start box/taskbar Searchbox searches in Windows 10, I notice these are being much more tightly contained now and far enough down the list that they're easy to ignore:

 

[whs]

Greg, the privacy concern is one thing. But what really bothers me that things are done automatically without my consent. Importing bookmarks, repeating my settings from another system or encrypting my whole computer are only a few of those 'automatic' actions that I have been recently suffering from.

I am sure there is a lot more of those automatic actions and I don't like it. That's where I have my gripes with this general direction MS, Google and who else are taking. They think the fact that I am connected to the internet gives them the freedom to interfere on my systems.

 

[gregrocker]

If you don't sign in with MS or Google then you don't need to worry about that.

With MS, you can restrict the use of your MS Account to sync your settings across Devices here:

 

[Kari]

Kari keeps saying that you can make yourself independent of all of that and operate in you own little patch. For some things that's true, for others it is not plus you need a good amount of skill to disconnect yourself from the designed path.

Yes, I keep saying that because it's true. In this thread I have been asking the opponents of Windows 10 to give at least one example of what kind of cloud interaction there will be if the user signs in with a local account and does not sign in to OneDrive or any other cloud service?

The answer is of course a most absolute none whatsoever! The Windows 10 will with those two simple steps use cloud exactly as much as XP, Vista or Seven.

Wolfgang, you must or at least should know I have great respect for you and I hope you understand that I am not here for picking a fight. I did this same when the discussion about Windows 8 was going on, trying to correct the misinformation. I beg you and any other member to provide one single example of that terrifying cloud usage user has to accept when using a local account. Please! One simple example.

Again, of course as I sit here writing this I know you cannot do that because the cloud in 10 with a local account is non-existent but still, I am waiting.

It is not that Microsoft is forcing you to the cloud. For heavens sake, not at all. It's just that if the user so decides, the cloud is there to be used to its full intent and capabilities, but only then. If the user decides against, it's OK. The user decides.

Would you eat food that you hate if they handed it out for free. If yes, in China you can have cat, dog, rat, snake and a few other lekker meals.

I should have come to that example and use it in the earlier discussion about Bing Search. It's there but it don't have to be used if the user dislikes it because the free, built-in alternative is just a click away.

BTW, what I have totally forgotten is that Bing can be turned off if it is not wanted. When installation reaches the final steps and arrives to a dialog asking if you want to use the default express settings or customize them, select customize and turn Bing off:

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Example: For my 11" W8.1 system I set up a high definition Theme because it is a lot easier to read things. Now if I install 8.1 on my PC with the 22" screen, I do not want a high def theme because on the big screen I can read things.

If they want to sync these things, they should at least ask for my permission.

Two ways for not to sync your theme and desktop settings. Again, the first one is really simple: use a local account! No cloud, no syncing between the devices, no nothing.

The second option is "quite demanding" . It takes five mouse clicks: Start Menu > Settings > Accounts > Sync Settings > Turn off theme syncing:

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Already now, not full four months into open beta, the Windows 10 is well documented both by Microsoft itself and third party sites like our own TenForums.com in the forefront. I disagree very strongly when it's said that "it is too difficult for a normal user to use a local account and get rid of the cloud", when in fact the documentation is really easy to find. Of course if the user sees it not important to get information about the new OS prior to installing it it's then the user's own fault. That would of course be just plain stupid but it happens, who gets new stuff without knowing how it work and refuses to check the manual?

BTW, the tutorial index of the TenForums is now available as a downloadable, easy to read spreadsheet:

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About the level of the tutorials and TenForums.com in general, read for instance this article: Check TenForums for Useful Win10 Info of All Kinds - Windows Enterprise Desktop

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[Lady Fitzgerald]

Wolfgang, concerning privacy I would be much more concerned about the Chrome you installed than anything from Windows.

Chrome, like any Google program, is pernicious spyware. You cannot turn it off as long as it's installed. With Google sites like Youtube, you can stay signed out to not be tracked, but Google programs are tracking your every move and pasting into browser ads based on your private searches and even email conversations...

I have to agree with Greg here. I've also seen malware come in when installing Chrome.