Windows 10 worse than windows 8

[gregrocker]

I haven't found anything that runs in VMWare that comes close to a regular install. I don't use them. The PC is virtual enough for me.

I have not downloaded or installed the newest TP yet, if you were asking me.

I was so happy to get back to 7 after a bunch of mouse, app and other TP bugs started crawling all over me for several weeks. The apps stopped live updating even after reinstall, three mice stopped scrolling and then working correctly.

Coming back to 7 it was especially a relief not to feel its age, like I had suspected and even predicted I would. It still feels fresh, new and as crispy as the TP.

But I've got some space to spare for a Dual Boot so I'll be bac comparing them soon. I haven't given up on the TP, yet. It will be nice to get back to the nicer GUI on Windows Mail because this 7 Essentials download is comparatively as clunky as Outlook Express.

 

[Layback Bear]

I= whs post #195

I don't think we can make a 'one fits all' recommendation.

I think that statement hit the nail on the head.

Even a dumb bunny like me will make a decision on what W-10 brings to the table that I want or think I need.
Reading this forum and the Ten Fourm and trying W-10 will help me to make that decision.
I have pretty well nail down the things I don't need or like about W-10 now I'm hoping to find all the things I like about W=10.

One thing I'm positive about.
I will not give up a W-7 COA for a free W-10.
I know Microsoft says that I can go back to W-7 and not loose my COA key but I'm not trusting the new Microsoft Non-Genuine (counterfeit) company.

So if I do choose to add W-10 to one of my choices for a operating system their will have to be a way I can buy or use it without risking one of my W-7 COA keys.

Don't give up on W-10 it's still in the kitchen and has not been put on the table as a finished meal for all those that are hungry.
We all are just cooks in the kitchen tasting W-10 before it's served to the dinner guest.
The head chief is Microsoft and just might have some new ideas that many of us just might like.

P/S:
I do notice (this is my opinion) that the post about W-10 and W-7 are more of a discussion.
Compared to W-8 that was more of a bare knuckle brawl.
So things are getting better.

 

[RoasterMen]

I think there is another problem with Microsoft letting the OEMs lock the OS so the users cannot change the OS but use the current ones with bloated applications.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

After a rough adjustment period, there is not a problem any longer with UEFI BIOS. I handle multiple cases of these here per day and have only had one I recall in a year's time that couldn't get installed to UEFI.. Firmware just had to catch up and it seems to have all done so. So it just take a little patience, getting the settings and any flash installer correct.

Exactly. UEFI is different but, overall, it is better than the older BIOS. I hadn't had much experience messing around in BIOS before I built my first rig, which has a UEFI MOBO, so I didn't have any old habits to unlearn. That made learning how to use it much easier for me (especially since I don't OC). For me, it was just a matter of reading the manual.

 

[Layback Bear]

Over all UEFI bios install of Windows 7 went quite smooth. Just had to do a little reading and tinkering after the install to get things the way I want them.

But as Lady Fitzgerald has pointed out those of us that tinker in the bois settings because we over clock had to learn some new things. It just took a little homework and trial and error.
For a new tinkerer it might of went a little easier because they didn't have to unlearn any thing.

I would suggest to all new readers of this forum to read gregrocker tutorials before doing a install. It will make things easier for you. Take your time the tutorials have a lot of information in them.

You could also become a member of this forum and have the ability of posting question so members of this forum can give guidance.

This post is a little off subject but come and join us anyway.

Layback Bear

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...come and join us...

Layback Bear

Why? Are we coming apart? (running and ducking )

 

[lehnerus2000]

Then arrives a new OS which allows you to use an online account if you so decide and wish, but also totally accepts if you don't want to use the cloud services and use an online account on your device. This is suddenly not accepted, they keep telling how Microsoft is "forcing" them to cloud when in reality it's the only one of the big players which totally let's you decide, cloud or no cloud.

That's because MS has a page saying sign in to your MS Account during the install.
There is no indication whatsoever that you can use a Local Account until you perform a bunch of extra clicks.

If it was the other way around there would less complaints.

No prizes for guessing why MS arranged it this way.
They are trying to trick people into signing up to the "Cloud" when they don't need to.

It's even worse than the download sites that have a giant download button (which is full of crapware or entirely unrelated to the software you are trying to download) and the real download is a tiny link hidden somewhere else on the same page.

My biggest problem really is running in a VM, it's not the same as a bare metal install.
For me the newer versions of VMware Player don't play nice for me with screen resolution ...

My VMs seem to run better in Linux Mint (using VMware Player) than in W7.

I haven't found anything that runs in VMWare that comes close to a regular install. I don't use them. The PC is virtual enough for me.

Apart from the boot up time, I haven't noticed any performance issues.

 

[Kari]

That's because MS has a page saying sign in to your MS Account during the install.
There is no indication whatsoever that you can use a Local Account until you perform a bunch of extra clicks.

If it was the other way around there would less complaints.

I don't know, how difficult is it really? Task: create a local account to sign in to Windows. Choice to make: Either select Sign in to your MS Account, or select Create a new account.

Difficult to choose? In my opinion using common sense and logics is if not necessary but at least recommended.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep I believe it's just the wording,
I reinstalled win-8 a month or so ago and it was pretty straight forward Microsoft account and next to it was Local account.

 

[whs]

After a rough adjustment period, there is not a problem any longer with UEFI BIOS. I handle multiple cases of these here per day and have only had one I recall in a year's time that couldn't get installed to UEFI.. Firmware just had to catch up and it seems to have all done so. So it just take a little patience, getting the settings and any flash installer correct.

Since you seem to have mastered UEFI, can you then tell me how to install a persistent Linux distro on a flash drive that boots in UEFI. Here is the way I do it on a MBR drive.

 

[whs]

That's because MS has a page saying sign in to your MS Account during the install.
There is no indication whatsoever that you can use a Local Account until you perform a bunch of extra clicks.

If it was the other way around there would less complaints.

No prizes for guessing why MS arranged it this way.
They are trying to trick people into signing up to the "Cloud" when they don't need to.

It's even worse than the download sites that have a giant download button (which is full of crapware or entirely unrelated to the software you are trying to download) and the real download is a tiny link hidden somewhere else on the same page.

This is absolutely right. I fell into the trap too the first time around. The default should be a local account with the MS account as an option for those who want it.

There are always smart guys who seem to know from day1 how to deal with this. Well, I was not that smart and I found it quite difficult to find the path to the local account on my own. It is well hidden - and don't tell me that this is not intentional.

 

[whs]

Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I haven't found anything that runs in VMWare that comes close to a regular install. I don't use them. The PC is virtual enough for me.

I run 8.1, 10 and a half dozen Linux in VMware Player. I see no difference to running them on the iron. The main difference is that it is much more convenient because I can pull any system up within seconds. And they boot fast - see here.

 

[JDobbsy1987]

Genuine Question Here, I'm curious on peoples personal opinions...
What is the correct wording for creating accounts for None Technical people?

I will take pretty much at least 60% of my family for example here

It doesn't matter if the wording on screen was any of the following as it would mean nothing to them:

• User Account
• Local Account
• Windows Account
• Microsoft Account

We may look for Create a Local Account, my mum wouldn't...

In my opinion, the current wording in theory is not bad as my mum reading Create a local account means nothing however Create a new account does.

Maybe these screens don't clearly describe the difference between a MS Account and a None MS Account (Local Account)?

I'm a little bit on the fence, i see both side of the argument

 

[Kari]

This is absolutely right. I fell into the trap too the first time around. The default should be a local account with the MS account as an option for those who want it.

No, absolutely no! I have to very strongly disagree.

Windows since version 8 is meant to be used with an MS Account. This is and of course should be the default, the designed way Microsoft has planned Windows to be used, the way majority of Windows 8 and later users sign in to Windows.

The local account is just an additional option for those who do not want to use the full potential of Windows. It allows these users to have their Windows as if it was Windows Seven, with no default connection to any online services.

 

[whs]

I really don't care what MS plans. I have my own plan and that is to stay away from any controls, syncs and whatever else MS plans.

 

[Kari]

The issue is not what you plan or how you would like to have it. The issue is that Windows is designed to give the user its full potential with an MS Account.

Luckily Microsoft has decided not to follow the suite of Apple and Google by forcing users but instead letting the old "No account needed" option for users like you to stay, to be there. IMO instead of complaining about these two extra mouse clicks it requires to create a local account we should remember this: A new OS which is designed to be used with an online account and yet MS has listened the users enough to let a legacy account system stay there for those who oppose the change. What more should we expect?

 

[whs]

It is not the 2 extra clicks I am complaining about. It is the fact that you have to know that 2 extra clicks are required to get to the local account. There is no way of knowing that at the moment they want to force you into the MS account. It is at that time that both options should be clearly stated.

 

[Kari]

I have to quote my earlier post:

I don't know, how difficult is it really? Task: create a local account to sign in to Windows. Choice to make: Either select Sign in to your MS Account, or select Create a new account.

Difficult to choose? In my opinion using common sense and logics is if not necessary but at least recommended.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yes this new build is more simplified than prior builds were.

 

[gregrocker]

After a rough adjustment period, there is not a problem any longer with UEFI BIOS. I handle multiple cases of these here per day and have only had one I recall in a year's time that couldn't get installed to UEFI.. Firmware just had to catch up and it seems to have all done so. So it just take a little patience, getting the settings and any flash installer correct.

Since you seem to have mastered UEFI, can you then tell me how to install a persistent Linux distro on a flash drive that boots in UEFI. Here is the way I do it on a MBR drive.

Generally one must disable Secure Boot in BIOS setup (normally on Security tab, but can be elsewhere).

In addition with some BIOS' it requires enabling some level of Compatibility or CSM to install another OS. The setting might even be "Other OS." But what I would try first is "UEFI" or "UEFI first." Then the installation media needs to be booted as a UEFI device. Flash stick must be formatted from Option One of UEFI Bootable USB Flash Drive - Create in Windows

Remember that each BIOS setting when highlighted to examine its choices should offer some Help tips for it in the right hand help bar. You can also post back camera snaps of these questionable settings for more advice here. Some Manuals have become much more complete with a Legend for every BIOS setting.

Eventually each will get sorted if there is a brief trial and error period. If in doubt post back some screenshots of your UEFI, CSM, Legacy BIOS, Secure Boot and/or BIOS Boot Priority choices given.

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