Has Microsoft permanently damaged Windows 7?

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Apparently the fix for sfc errors was included in this update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080149

Which is a shame since that is one of the spyware (telemetry) from MSpy.

Yes but the update is supposed to correct the sending of info if a user does not participate in CEIP.

But it just shows why early releases of Optional/ Recommended updates should be passed on until they mature and M$ fixes them
Confirming some updates cause more issues than they're supposed to fix.

Bandwidth belongs to me not M$ unless they would like to pay my AT&T U-Verse bill that is

"Supposed to" being the key prhase here. I no longer trust MSpy any further than I can spit upwind in a stiff breeze, at least as long as Nutella (sic) is still in charge.

 

[michael diemer]

MS has always reserved the right to install updates without user intervention.
Tough

Software that does things without and specially against user choices is called malware and should NEVER be allowed to perform whatever action it plans to do. If the user choses not to install updates, then updates must never install, for no reason, unless the user explicitly choses to install them, that's simple. Every program must obey its user, no matter what, that's its reason to exists.

Microsoft, or anyone else, has NO right to install whatever they want into our computers, it's the user decision what to do with its computer, plain and simple. The fact that they've decided to deliver malware though Windows Update clearly shows that they don't care at all about its users.

Exactly! Well said!

 

[AddRAM]

My current list.

Updates not to Install

KB2876229 SKYPE, If you want Skype then install it.
KB2923545 RDP
KB2970228
KB3035583
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3068708 Telemetry
KB2592687
KB2660075
KB2506928
KB2952664 x2
KB3050265
KB2726535
KB2994023
KB3022345 Replaced by KB3068708 Telemetry

KB3022345 Caused false sfc result
KB2545698 (IE9)
KB3065987
KB3077715
KB3078667
KB3080149 Telemetry
KB3075249 Telemetry

 

[maxseven]

Apparently the fix for sfc errors was included in this update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080149

Thanks ThrashZone--I had read the Overview/Description but not the details of this KB then hid it since I have CEIP turned off.

I un-hid the update and ran it, and although I've now run the bloody thing (sfc /scannow) I seem to be in some sort of black hole where first it says it successfully repaired files, then it says "corrupt and can't repair" then Success again...argh well that is for another thread.

Thanks again for pointing this out.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi Max,
No problem possibly Noel can workout a fix for the errors ?
Cheers.

 

[paul1149]

I think MS is strangling Win7. I have a x32 SP1 machine here which took over 2 hours to determine which updates it needed. I installed a couple dozen, then when I went back for more it's been another hour so far, with 0% downloaded.

I see this virtually every time I update a machine, though usually not this bad. I think it's largely because MS would not issue SP2, which would have made taking update inventory so much simpler. It's not unusual to have 150 updates needed, and many are big and complicated, causing a high rate of failure. Win7 never used to be this way. It began several months ago, and has only gotten worse. I believe server apportionment is also taking place, with guess which OS getting preference.

 

[michael diemer]

I started this thread by saying I spend most most of my time on Vista. Well, that's no longer the case, as I accidentally overwrote my Vista drive while installing Zorin. I decided not to reinstall vista, as all the updates and 2 SP's would take forever, and it's only supported until 2017. I'm back on W7 now, and it's working fine. I have been avoiding the W10 updates and my computer is running fast and efficiently. So, I guess Microsoft has not permanently damaged W7. But I never installed W10, so that may be why things are working so well. In any case, I'm happy with W7 until 2020. Assuming things continue to run smoothly. I do have Zorin on the other drive and plan to become expert with it, so that when W7 is no longer supported, I can easily transition to that. Unless MS comes to its senses, and provides an OS for PC users, who don't want their computer turned into a phone, and their every action tracked and sold to advertisers.

 

[maximum1]

Apparently the fix for sfc errors was included in this update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080149

Yes V?

 

[baumgrenze]

I was tempted to participate in the preview program, even downloaded the iso file (7/4/15) which is still in my downloads folder. I looked both on my OS/Programs drive and my main data drive and find nothing around 3.4 GB. I looked with ZTreeWin with the file spec $Win*.* and found nothing. I did reserve a copy and I still see the occasional nag to install Windows 10. My wife did an install early in the summer and lost all her data. I've been waiting for some of the worst bugs (like her failed install) to be dealt with. Now it is just 'creative procrastination.'

Are there really good reasons not to 'fold' and install 10?

thanks

baumgrenze

 

[ThrashZone]

Whether someone loads or does not load win-10 is up to the individual
Seeing as your spouse had a turn for the worst isn't a good indicator to me
That's about as close to first hand knowledge as it gets

 

[samurle]

I am now forced to read the description of every security update because Microsoft is sneaking telemetry crap into every Tuesday update, since August of this year. I might as well turn off all Windows updates together, as I am sick of it. Microsoft is like the heads of Hydra, cut one off, three more pop up in their place.

 

[NoelDP]

Paranoia results in a situation of ever-decreasing circles - and we all know where that leads

MS has neither time nor funds to do deep analysis of data returned, in 99.999% of cases.
Granted, organisations such as the NSA may do.

Solution - accept that anything you do on the internet is tracked.
It WILL be, one way or the other.

There is NO SUCH THING as total secrecy.

There never has been and never will be, once one person has shared information with another.

 

[xips]

Ad hominem NOT. A security breach is still a security breach. There are limits to everything and MS crossed the line in pursuit of profit & Google.

 

[vet74]

Paranoia results in a situation of ever-decreasing circles - and we all know where that leads

MS has neither time nor funds to do deep analysis of data returned, in 99.999% of cases.
Granted, organisations such as the NSA may do.

Solution - accept that anything you do on the internet is tracked.
It WILL be, one way or the other.

There is NO SUCH THING as total secrecy.

There never has been and never will be, once one person has shared information with another.

Mommy, I'm cold. - Vet

 

[ThrashZone]

There is NO SUCH THING as total secrecy.

That's supposed to be a secrete

 

[vet74]

I have all of the updates installed on my Win 7 computer. Twice, a GWX folder showed up in my Windows\System32 folder which I renamed. My system is fine, not "damaged" and I don't get nagged to upgrade to Win 10.

"Keep on truckin'!", my man (loved those FFFBs). Bet my hair/beard is longer that yours! hehehe

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Paranoia results in a situation of ever-decreasing circles - and we all know where that leads

MS has neither time nor funds to do deep analysis of data returned, in 99.999% of cases.
Granted, organisations such as the NSA may do.

Solution - accept that anything you do on the internet is tracked.
It WILL be, one way or the other.

There is NO SUCH THING as total secrecy.

There never has been and never will be, once one person has shared information with another.

Just because we can never have total secrecy doesn't mean we can't try to minimize the damage, as opposed to your suggestion that we just bend over and take it.

 

[EiRaSAdoyC]

I can never get Windows Update to work. It takes hours to merely get the list of updates (all the while not using an bandwidth to actually search, rather just constantly using the CPU for completely no reason, turning it unusable) and failures after getting the list are high. After trying Windows 10 once, I'm not going to go back to it, so is there a complete list of updates to avoid? As in, from the start of Windows 7 to now? I know there are a lot of lists, just looking for something complete so I can remove and disable those updates once and for all.

 

[ignatzatsonic]

I can never get Windows Update to work. It takes hours to merely get the list of updates (all the while not using an bandwidth to actually search, rather just constantly using the CPU for completely no reason, turning it unusable) and failures after getting the list are high. After trying Windows 10 once, I'm not going to go back to it, so is there a complete list of updates to avoid? As in, from the start of Windows 7 to now? I know there are a lot of lists, just looking for something complete so I can remove and disable those updates once and for all.

List of what? KBs to avoid if you don't want Win 10?? KBs to avoid because they might cause problems with Windows Update itself?

I doubt if you'll find an authoritative list of what to avoid if you don't want Win 10. A lot of people try to maintain their own list, but opinions vary on the purpose of certain KBs. Sometimes MS isn't plain-speaking on the topic. And, even if you had a list, it would be pain to manage it over the course of months and years.

So, you might want to use the application below. There is an installable version and a portable version. I use the portable. It runs in about 1 second flat and gives you an onscreen report.

Ultimate Outsider: Using GWX Control Panel to Permanently Remove the 'Get Windows 10' Icon

I've never personally had issues with Windows Update. It's an annoying thing to have to bother with, but it's worked OK for me so far. Famous last words.

 

[EiRaSAdoyC]

Yes, avoiding Windows 10 is what I meant, but if something helps with avoiding problems with Windows Updates itself, it's not a bad idea either. And also removing any updates for the telemetry tracking that started with Windows 10 and now has seeped into Windows 7 & 8. I removed the GWX manually a while ago and since Windows Updates won't work properly, it hasn't got an opportunity to install itself. I just wished svchost for Windows Update didn't keep using up the CPU randomly.