Is the UI for Windows 7 onwards ugly on the eyes or just me?

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I actually like Windows 7/8/10 as an OS, but sometimes I don't like the look of the user interface. At least Vista still had the old-style taskbar. I guess the matte style in Windows 8 is slightly better than Windows 7 (the aero glass colors and the oversized bottom bar don't really go together; it looks better in Windows 8/10). Windows 10 UI doesn't look like the Windows I'm used to seeing at all. Besides, my computer sucks with Windows 10. It's a very low-end mini desktop from the refurbished bin going at over $300 or something. Also, the 2GB RAM size is unacceptable.

Even though I say that the UI turned ugly since Windows 7, I give Windows 8 credit for changing the glass interface.
 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Pick any OS ever produced and there will be people that hated the UI. And there will be people that loved it. It is impossible to design a UI that everybody will like.
Many people love the UI of Windows 7, others do not.
I happen to like the UI of Windows 7.
 

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I feel Win 7 was the last attractive MSpy OS and it is the last one to have so many options for how to personalize it without using third party programs.

Btw, the transparency of Aeroglass can be turned off. I also feel it is ugly and it does use up a lot of resources. The height of the task bar can also be adjusted. I have the transparency of AeroGlass turned off and the width of the taskbar (I moved mine to the right side of the screen instead of the bottom) adjusted to allow up to three small icons across side by side (task bar height, or width, depending on where it is, can be adjust down to approximately 2.5 icons). The task bar can also be locked in place (my personal preference) or allow it to hide itself until the mouse pointer is within a few pixels of the edge where it is located. Another advantage of of Win 7 is the Quick Launch Menu can be brought back with an easy hack (there is a tutorial here on Seven Forums on how to do it).
 

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Yep aero glass is hit and miss but a hit in my eyes :)

In 7 all one needs to do is change the desktop theme to anything other than a aero theme and select something else,
Classic theme would solve most that don't get into aero stuff on low power/ low memory systems it would be best any way.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/280-theme-change-save.html
 

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Windidugo, you can change the oversize task bar really easily. Just right click it, select properties, and check "use small icons."

If you want to go back to the old-style taskbar buttons, you can change the options in the dropdown there too, and as Lady Fitzgerald mentioned, you can add the quick launch bar back easily too.

You can do a lot to make 7 look like older versions, and that's one of its best features versus the newer versions. I am of the opinion that the UI of Windows reached its zenith aesthetically in Windows 2000 (basically the same as it had been since 95). Fortunately, XP could be de-Luna'd and made to look Classic really easily, and so can Vista and 7 if (as has already been mentioned) if you use the Classic Theme.

I use Win 7 x64 with Classic Shell (start menu and Windows Explorer) and a self-modified version of Saarineames' Classic AE theme (mostly to change the background from white to light grey). Classic AE allows you to have the Classic appearance while still having all of the Aero features.

The only Aero feature I really care for is the use of dwm.exe for desktop composition. I had tons of tearing in videos and when scrolling in Google maps and many other things in the browser, but I can't set vsync on in regular Classic for non-native directX programs. It's on automatically in "Aero" (composited) themes, even those like Classic AE that don't have any transparency.

I have the Aero peek taskbar previews turned off (sort of; the hacks for this never worked, but I set the delay to be several days, so it is effectively disabled) and the XP style "coolswitch" re-enabled for alt-tab. I would be okay with the alt-tab previews if it didn't change the order from the coolswitch version.

Every new Windows version has required more and more work to make it look the way I demand, but as long as I can get it there, I am happy. I've never used 8, but I did try 10 after it had been out for about a month, and at that point, I was not able to make even close to how I require... and since I don't want any of Windows 10's "features" (well, DX12 would be nice), I went back.

I really wish the UI and kernel parts of the OS were developed separately. I do like some of 7's changes over XP (the preview pane, for one), but I could be happy with the de-Luna'd XP interface forever if the nuts and bolts were updated.
 

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I have the Windows 7 UI totally tweaked to my preferences, and to me, it's the best UI there is. I've tried just about everything over the years (many years, like since 1978). Apple's vaunted design excellence I find to be cartoonish and counterproductive. I've tried all the Linux UI's, and some of them are OK. But Win7 is the best as far as I am concerned. Win 8+ I don't care for so much, but Win10 can be made at least usable, if not attractive.

Yes, beauty surely is in the eye of the beholder ;-)
 

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I don't like the looks of any UI from Windows 8 or Windows 10 but I will get over it. Windows 7 has the ability to make the changes that I care to change in it's UI.
I still use a solid black Desktop with a few icons. I spend so little time on the Desktop I don't know why a pretty picture would be of any use.
I do like the ability to change fonts so they are easy to read. More adjustability in that area would be helpful without a 3rd party program.
 

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Coming from 19 years on a Mac I find Windows 7's UI suits me. I prefer the elegant (a recent post mentioned cartoonish) appearance of the Mac's UI but Windows 7 gives me most of the functionality of the Mac and is easy to move around in. Two functionalities I miss: the Mac's easier file handling (especially its greater use of drag-and-drop); and its extra desktops (as many as you want) which can slide sideways into or out of view, a huge help for reducing clutter, better than Window's minimise. But I am happy. It works. It seems that the days of ten years ago or so, when (at least from the Mac viewpoint) Windows was buggy, are long gone.
 

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Two functionalities I miss: the Mac's easier file handling (especially its greater use of drag-and-drop); ...
After using Windows for every other subject, TAFE made us use Macs for the last couple of subjects in the Web Design diploma (without any training).
It was an awful experience.

Easier file handling?
Greater use of Drag & Drop?
Can you elaborate?

... and its extra desktops (as many as you want) which can slide sideways into or out of view, a huge help for reducing clutter, better than Window's minimise.
There are various virtual desktop programs available for Windows.
ATI and NVidia graphics drivers can also be set up to create virtual desktops.

I use "VirtuaWin + KvasdoPager" to create virtual desktops in W7.
The picture below shows my 4 virtual desktops setup.
VirtuaWin & KvasdoPager.png
 

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Two functionalities I miss: the Mac's easier file handling (especially its greater use of drag-and-drop); ...
After using Windows for every other subject, TAFE made us use Macs for the last couple of subjects in the Web Design diploma (without any training).
It was an awful experience.

Easier file handling?
Greater use of Drag & Drop?
Can you elaborate?

... and its extra desktops (as many as you want) which can slide sideways into or out of view, a huge help for reducing clutter, better than Window's minimise.
There are various virtual desktop programs available for Windows.
ATI and NVidia graphics drivers can also be set up to create virtual desktops.

I use "VirtuaWin + KvasdoPager" to create virtual desktops in W7.
The picture below shows my 4 virtual desktops setup.

I also found Windows "an awful experience" at first.

Drag and drop: If the destination window for a file about to be saved is open on the desktop, with the save D. box active, click on that destination window and its file path is entered automatically into the save D. box, evn if that destination window is deeply burried in a file hiearchy. With Windows, I have normally to save the file to the desktop then drag it onto the destination window (if it is open) and if not open, save to the desktop and hunt for the window, or do File Save As and pick my way down to that window.

Also, if you have an image file on the desktop or buried deep in a file hierarchy, just drag it to Photoshop's icon on the equivalent of the Taskbar and Photoshop will open and display the file in one go. In Windows I have to open Photoshop first, open a blank window in it and then drag the image on to it, and if the size of the Photoshop window is too small or too big, I have to use the Crop tool to enlarge it or make it smaller, (unless I have not discovered a one-step way in Windows). I'm a bit hazy now, but there were other examples.

These features saved me time on the Mac, but as I said, Windows has mainly the same functionality as the Mac.

That's good news about virtual windows. Your image seems just to list several (what I interpret as the) names of windows. Do Windows desktops slide completely away (complete with a set of windows, files, programs etc. all still open) and become completely replaced with a new desktop, complete with other files, windows, programs etc. all previously opened and ready for immediate use etc., and then back to the earlier desktop with its windows, files, programs etc. still open for immediate use? And can a file or folder etc. living on one virtual window be dragged and dropped to anothe virtual window without revealing those windows? If so, that's great news. I will investigate.

EDIT: I have just noticed Desktops v2.0 from MIcrosoft’s Windows Sysinternals site. Any view on that?
 

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I'm one of those who really liked the aero effects of 7. I have the power to run it with no ill effects and (blush) just like the "bling". Having said that, my new machine came with 8.1 installed and the UI was just horrendous in my eyes. Luckily I only had to endure that assault on my eyeballs for about a week. I upgraded to 10 last night and while theres no aero (sigh), I do find the newer UI easier on my poor old eyes. I do not understand why the aero effects I love so much can't at least be an option for those of us with the power and desire to run them.
 

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I upgraded to 10 last night and while theres no aero (sigh), I do find the newer UI easier on my poor old eyes.
I tried 10 for a few hours, and I went back to 7 because 10 was far too harsh on my eyes, with no option to change it.

With every version of Windows since 98, I think, I have set the backgrounds of all windows to light gray (prior to that, I used CRTs, and they didn't hurt with white the way LCDs do). Every version of Windows has given me the choice to do away with the white quickly and easily... except 10 (not including 8 here; I never tried it). Vast expanses of white pixels, and no way to change it (other than the even more hideous high-contrast themes). White backgrounds, white menus, white toolbars... and my retinas sizzling like bacon in a frying pan.

I tried my unsigned theme enabling patcher on 10, and while it said it performed the task, my themes still would not fully enable. Not surprisingly, I guess, since they're intended for 7... so I began to search for Win 10 themes that were not so bright. I found some promising "screenshots" on DeviantArt, only to find that they were mockups, because what they were trying to do was impossible with 10 as released.

I went back to 7 after that. 10 looked unfinished, like a product released before it was ready for prime time, and I remembered the example of Vista... much hated at release, but it eventually was developed into a usable and stable OS. Maybe 10 will yet become what I want... but for now, 7 is still the best choice for me, given that I never wanted most of the Win 10 "features" anyway (only DX12... Cortana and the ability to run phone apps are of no interest to me).
I do not understand why the aero effects I love so much can't at least be an option for those of us with the power and desire to run them.
Because 8 and 10 are not about delivering the best desktop experience you can have the way 7 is. They're about trying to have one UI for phones/tablets and desktop PCs, and trying to get people invested in the MS "ecosystem" with 10 on the desktop, so when you buy your next phone, you will be more likely to select a Windows phone. Windows 8 and 10 have to be saddled with a phone-friendly interface because of Microsoft's cockamamie idea that there should be one Windows to rule them all. It doesn't matter that your desktop can handle Aero-- the question is, can most phones? If it's not going to work on a phone, it's not going to be on your Windows 10 PC.
 

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Drag and drop: If the destination window for a file about to be saved is open on the desktop, with the save D. box active, click on that destination window and its file path is entered automatically into the save D. box, evn if that destination window is deeply burried in a file hiearchy. With Windows, I have normally to save the file to the desktop then drag it onto the destination window (if it is open) and if not open, save to the desktop and hunt for the window, or do File Save As and pick my way down to that window.
I can see how that could be convenient, but it might also be annoying if you switch away from the save dialog to rummage around in the file system to look for something (as I often do) without wanting the window I am clicking on to become the save destination.

If the intended destination is open in Windows explorer, you can simply click the breadcrumb bar (to the right of any of the entries) and it will change to a path, already highlighted for your convenience. Copy that, then go back to the save dialog and click the breadcrumb bar there (which then turns into a path) and paste.

Also, if you have an image file on the desktop or buried deep in a file hierarchy, just drag it to Photoshop's icon on the equivalent of the Taskbar and Photoshop will open and display the file in one go.
I've never used Photoshop, but the functionality you seek is a part of Windows, although it is not implemented exactly the same. I've never used a Mac (other than the old black and white ones with the 9 inch black and white screen, and that was 25 years ago), so the comparison might not be exact.

To drag and drop a file into a program in the taskbar, simply drag it, point at the taskbar button for a second, and the program will pop up, and you can drop the file right into the window. If there are several instances of the program you want open, pointing at the taskbar icon will bring up a list or a series of previews of the instances (depending on settings); just point at the one you want for a second (still holding the button to drag) and it will pop up, and you can then drop the still-dragged file in. I like that better than I would like just dropping it into the icon on the taskbar directly-- because I could be attempting to drop the file into a window containing something I don't want to replace (if the program can only have one file open at a time, of course). By bringing up the window first, I can see where I am dropping it.

This works with the quick launch bar too; just aim (while dragging) at the program icon and make sure the tooltip says "open with {program}" rather than "Copy to Quick Launch." In that case, it always opens a new instance of the program, if the program is not able to handle multiple files at once, so overwriting an existing one is not an issue. I would imagine it works that way as well with pinned programs-- I don't use that feature, and I have it disabled at present, so I can't easily test it.

Additionally, if you are using a file type that is only used with one program, you can just double click the file to open it in the associated program. If this is not the case, you can right click the file and select "Open With..." and there will be a list of the programs you have used to open that file type. Any image file would show Photoshop as one of the options, so that would save you the difficulty you describe.

In Windows I have to open Photoshop first, open a blank window in it and then drag the image on to it, and if the size of the Photoshop window is too small or too big, I have to use the Crop tool to enlarge it or make it smaller, (unless I have not discovered a one-step way in Windows). I'm a bit hazy now, but there were other examples.
If you drag the file into a part of the Photoshop Window that is not the default new file, perhaps it would open the file as new rather than pasting it over the default file (which is what seems to be happening). The "Open with" context menu item would avoid that difficulty. You could also create a shortcut to Photoshop, and drag the file to that... this would open a new instance of Photoshop with that file.
 

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Not reading the entire thread, but Windows 7 is beautiful and you can make the taskbar smaller if you want to.
 

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I rarely use the the UI to interact with windows 7. Of course the program uses a window. Beyond that I've always found the Start Menu to be extremely cumbersome from the first time I used a Windows based computer on Win98. As far as opening programs, interacting with task bar and system tray I've found much easier ways to do what I want. Being a creature of habit I've carried the methods I used on Win98 to each new system as the years went by.

Don't get me wrong, I love Windows 7 because it allows you to find different ways to use it the way you want. In looking at the OS's beyond Win 7 it seems that the ability to change away from the Windows UI and use alternative methods is becoming more difficult or near impossible. I definitely didn't like Window8.x and while I haven't tried 10 I really doubt I will as I'm really content with what I have, but I won't say never.
 

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Drag & Drop and VirtuaWin

I also found Windows "an awful experience" at first.

Drag and drop: If the destination window for a file about to be saved is open on the desktop, with the save D. box active, click on that destination window and its file path is entered automatically into the save D. box, evn if that destination window is deeply burried in a file hiearchy. With Windows, I have normally to save the file to the desktop then drag it onto the destination window (if it is open) and if not open, save to the desktop and hunt for the window, or do File Save As and pick my way down to that window.
That sounds handy (I wish someone had mentioned that on my TAFE course). :)

I found the "disembodied" menu bar particularly annoying.

Also, if you have an image file on the desktop or buried deep in a file hierarchy, just drag it to Photoshop's icon on the equivalent of the Taskbar and Photoshop will open and display the file in one go. In Windows I have to open Photoshop first, open a blank window in it and then drag the image on to it, and if the size of the Photoshop window is too small or too big, I have to use the Crop tool to enlarge it or make it smaller, (unless I have not discovered a one-step way in Windows). I'm a bit hazy now, but there were other examples.
You can drag files to the:

  • Appropriate shortcut (or program icon) and they will open with that program
  • Program's window button, wait for it to popup and then drop the file into the window (as mentioned by Ascaris)
Drop on Desktop Shortcut (Trimmed).png
You can't drag files onto the "Pinned Taskbar buttons/icons" to open them (they get added to the "Jump List").

You can also combine the keyboard and mouse:

  • "Ctrl + Left mouse button" will copy the file where you release the button
  • "Shift + Left mouse button" will move the file where you release the button
  • "Alt + Left mouse button" will create a shortcut for the file where you release the button
If you "Drag & Drop" using the "Right mouse button", you will get a popup options menu when you release the button.

That's good news about virtual windows. Your image seems just to list several (what I interpret as the) names of windows. Do Windows desktops slide completely away (complete with a set of windows, files, programs etc. all still open) and become completely replaced with a new desktop, complete with other files, windows, programs etc. all previously opened and ready for immediate use etc., and then back to the earlier desktop with its windows, files, programs etc. still open for immediate use? And can a file or folder etc. living on one virtual window be dragged and dropped to anothe virtual window without revealing those windows? If so, that's great news. I will investigate.

EDIT: I have just noticed Desktops v2.0 from MIcrosoft’s Windows Sysinternals site. Any view on that?
"VirtuaWin + KvasdoPager" works basically the same way as the Linux Virtual Desktops.

"KvasdoPager" is a toolbar.
You click on the desktop you want to switch to (you can set keyboard shortcuts if you want).
The current window disappears and is replaced with the chosen one.
Each virtual desktop remembers the windows that are open on it.

Windows Explorer, MS Office programs and almost every other program will only appear on the virtual desktop that you opened them on.
Some programs (e.g. "Macrium Reflect") and system tools (e.g. "Create a System Repair Disc") will appear on every virtual desktop. :(

You can "Drag & Drop" the icons shown in the "KvasdoPager" toolbar to other virtual desktops and they will be transferred to the chosen virtual desktop.
VirtuaWin 02.gif
Note:
I normally hide the VirtuaWin Notification icon.
I've never tried the Sysinternals virtual desktop program, so I can't comment on it.
The other Sysinternals programs I've tried are excellent (e.g. Process Explorer) so I'd expect their virtual desktop program to be good too. :)
 
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Thanks folks. I'm working through the various suggestions.
 

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