How to remove Windows 10 upgrade updates in Windows 7 and 8

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...I guess I'm hoping that eventually, MS will pull back, after sufficient outcry. Or lawsuits.

This is a mass tort lawsuit just waiting to happen. Even though I would get little to no cash from such a suit (mass tort lawsuits are moneymakers for the lawyers only; they're a disgrace to our legal system), I would be all over one of those like stink on skunk.

 

[zelcoin]

zelcoin's Bad updates Windows 7/8.1 list (as of 17/10/2015):

KB971033
KB2922324
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB2990214
KB3012973
KB3015249
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB3083324
KB3083325

 

[UsernameIssues]

zelcoin's Bad updates Windows 7/8.1 list (as of 17/10/2015):

KB971033
KB2922324
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB2990214
KB3012973
KB3015249
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB3083324
KB3083325

I'm not trying to start anything. I genuinely would like to know what version of the Windows Update (WU) client are you using? And do you see high memory usage during the WU scans and installs?

 

[zelcoin]

I'm not trying to start anything. I genuinely would like to know what version of the Windows Update (WU) client are you using? And do you see high memory usage during the WU scans and installs?

Yes i do see high memory usage for scanning, installs are normal. But i manually check for updates when updates occur (usually once a month) so i don't mind my bad client.

 

[Callender]

zelcoin's Bad updates Windows 7/8.1 list (as of 17/10/2015):

KB971033
KB2922324
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB2990214
KB3012973
KB3015249
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB3083324
KB3083325

I'm not trying to start anything. I genuinely would like to know what version of the Windows Update (WU) client are you using? And do you see high memory usage during the WU scans and installs?

RE: KB971033. I am informed that it should be installed. Checks your windows is legit every 90 days I think.

RE: Windows Update Client.

I had high memory usage (netsvcs.exe) for more than six months and fixed it many times by resetting WU components and running MicrosoftFixit50202.msi three times in a row but needed to prevent WU updating to the latest WU client each time and also needed to manually delete certain folders and files.

I fixed it and eaxh time the problem eventually returned.

Currently I have force installed KB3075851 after removing all other WU Client versions and running advanced disk cleanup. Memory usage has remained stable even when running WU checks.


Current Memory Usage

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Currently 71 processes running including quite a few security apps and a browser.

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For those people experiencing high RAM usage when windows checks for updates I'd say it is worth checking how much RAM datastore.edb is using and how many handles it has open.

 

[Hedied4me]

Currently I have force installed KB3075851 after removing all other WU Client versions and running advanced disk cleanup. Memory usage has remained stable even when running WU checks.

Id avoid this one. At this point Im installing them one at a time to know for sure which ones are bad and 3075851 caused Windows 10 downloading and "getting setup files" for me.

 

[Callender]

Id avoid this one. At this point Im installing them one at a time to know for sure which ones are bad and 3075851 caused Windows 10 downloading and "getting setup files" for me.

Not for me. Did you have windows updates set to download and install automatically and also did you mistakenly check that "Give me recommended updates the same way as I receive important updates" checkbox?

 

[lehnerus2000]

RE: KB971033. I am informed that it should be installed. Checks your windows is legit every 90 days I think.

You don't need it.

However, if you try to download updates directly from MS you may be asked to install & run "GenuineCheck.exe".

Currently I have force installed KB3075851 after removing all other WU Client versions and running advanced disk cleanup. Memory usage has remained stable even when running WU checks.

KB3075851 fixed my excessive RAM and CPU usage problems.

 

[UsernameIssues]

I'm not trying to start anything. I genuinely would like to know what version of the Windows Update (WU) client are you using? And do you see high memory usage during the WU scans and installs?

Yes i do see high memory usage for scanning, installs are normal. But i manually check for updates when updates occur (usually once a month) so i don't mind my bad client.

Thanks, I am hoping to find someone that does not see this issue and then find out which WU client they use. But it might not be as simple as using one WU client update vs. other WU client updates.

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Callender,
As you saw in this post, I have a VM patched with SP1 and not much else. That same frozen VM has been brought all the way up to completely patched many times in the past few years. The last few attempts to fully update it have been met with high RAM and high CPU usage. I have not seen that in the past and I don't know exactly when it started.

The high usage does not cause me any problems (other than heating up the room). I don't have this high resource usage on any real computers... but I do (mildly) wonder what the cause might be.

To be clear, I'm not talking about RAM starting out at 1.7GB (which this laptop is using right now) and climbing to 2GB or even 3GB during a WU scan/install. I'm talking about WU using all available RAM and pushing well into the swap file - no matter how much RAM is assigned/installed. That is what I see in the VM and that is what I've seen in a few threads.

 

[UsernameIssues]

KB3075851 fixed my excessive RAM and CPU usage problems.

I'm pretty sure that I tried that one.

By try, I mean install that first and then let the VM scan for all other updates. I still had it max out the RAM.

Oh well, maybe I should stick to solving problems that my users are facing...
...which is none at the moment

 

[Brds7t7]

RE: KB971033. I am informed that it should be installed. Checks your windows is legit every 90 days I think.

You don't need it.

However, if you try to download updates directly from MS you may be asked to install & run "GenuineCheck.exe".

Currently I have force installed KB3075851 after removing all other WU Client versions and running advanced disk cleanup. Memory usage has remained stable even when running WU checks.

KB3075851 fixed my excessive RAM and CPU usage problems.

My RAM and CPU has improved significantly when doing scans for updates. That's why I've stopped ignoring the WU client updates. I just use the GP workaround to block the 10 upgrade. But, I've seen no ill-effects from installing those on my system, only an improvement while scanning.

 

[Callender]

I have a VM patched with SP1 and not much else. That same frozen VM has been brought all the way up to completely patched many times in the past few years. The last few attempts to fully update it have been met with high RAM and high CPU usage. I have not seen that in the past and I don't know exactly when it started.

The high usage does not cause me any problems (other than heating up the room). I don't have this high resource usage on any real computers... but I do (mildly) wonder what the cause might be.

To be clear, I'm not talking about RAM starting out at 1.7GB (which this laptop is using right now) and climbing to 2GB or even 3GB during a WU scan/install. I'm talking about WU using all available RAM and pushing well into the swap file - no matter how much RAM is assigned/installed. That is what I see in the VM and that is what I've seen in a few threads.

Maybe check this post:

http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...0005-please-read-post3163065.html#post3163065

If you can run RAMmap in your VM does it show high memory usage by datastore.edb ?

 

[Hedied4me]

My RAM and CPU has improved significantly when doing scans for updates. That's why I've stopped ignoring the WU client updates. I just use the GP workaround to block the 10 upgrade. But, I've seen no ill-effects from installing those on my system, only an improvement while scanning.

Whats the GP workaround?

 

[Brds7t7]

My RAM and CPU has improved significantly when doing scans for updates. That's why I've stopped ignoring the WU client updates. I just use the GP workaround to block the 10 upgrade. But, I've seen no ill-effects from installing those on my system, only an improvement while scanning.

Whats the GP workaround?

Take a look at my earlier post:
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-...ade-updates-windows-7-8-a-18.html#post3141430

 

[UsernameIssues]

I gave RAMMap a try. Sadly, I could not get the RAM to go over 2.2GB out of 4GB. (I changed the RAM assigned - as I have done in the past - to let the scan go faster.) I did not wait for the installation of the updates. The database file did have about the same amount of RAM assigned to it that your screenshot showed - but the vast majority of it was not locked.

 

[AddRAM]

Once again, my current list and my WUA version is 7.6.7601.18979


Updates not to Install

KB2876229 SKYPE, If you want Skype then install it.
KB2923545 RDP
KB2970228
KB3035583
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3068708 Telemetry
KB2592687
KB2660075
KB2506928
KB2952664 x2
KB3050265
KB2726535
KB2994023
KB3022345 Replaced by KB3068708 Telemetry

KB3022345 Caused false sfc result
KB2545698 (IE9)
KB3065987
KB3077715
KB3078667
KB3080149 Telemetry
KB3075249 Telemetry
KB2999226
KB3083710
KB3097966

 

[Callender]

I gave RAMMap a try. Sadly, I could not get the RAM to go over 2.2GB out of 4GB. (I changed the RAM assigned - as I have done in the past - to let the scan go faster.) I did not wait for the installation of the updates. The database file did have about the same amount of RAM assigned to it that your screenshot showed - but the vast majority of it was not locked.

Well your screenshot shows the same problem with datastore.edb that I have seen on my own machine. No way should it show that many open handles.

Normal behaviour is like this:

With a windows update check in progress have a look at usage shown in the "Active" tab.

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Also this is normal for the number of handles. I used Process Explorer but as you found out RAMmap can display some details on handles too.

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Note: Memory usage by datastore.edb during WU checks seems to have crept up since I last checked. Here's how it appeared after the fix:

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EDIT: Just for comparison. Screenshot of "Active" tab before the problem was fixed:

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[lehnerus2000]

Updates not to Install
...
KB3097966

What is the problem with that update?
It seems to be related to security certificates.

 

[ThrashZone]

Could be ?
Little too close to Halloween for a spoofing update

Known issues in this security update

• Microsoft is aware of legitimate kernel drivers for D-Link products (including network adapters) that were signed by the affected D-Link certificates. These drivers include the Windows 7 drivers on the installation CD for the DUB-E100 USB network adapter. After you install this security update, these kernel drivers will no longer load, and the hardware will stop functioning. Updated drivers that aren't affected by this issue are available on Windows Update.

The third-party products that this article discusses are manufactured by companies that are independent of Microsoft. Microsoft makes no warranty, implied or otherwise, about the performance or reliability of these products.

 

[UsernameIssues]

Callender,
I do see a high number of handles; about 790M. Deleting the softwaredistribution folder and starting with a fresh datastore database does cause fewer active handles (~186M). The overall RAM usage is the same; but, since most of that RAM was not locked by active handles, it is of little concern.

Rather than find the last good WU client, deleting the softwaredistribution folder seems easiest for fresh builds. For existing builds, such a deletion would unhide hidden updates. Perhaps the a more surgical approach might work.