Access is denied!

[psvpilot59]

Even now in the 21st century, we have hundreds of people still having problems accessing their 'OWN' files in Windows 7! I am the ONLY user of my PC and as such should be able to disable ALL restrictions to any files on it! I do not use UAC...."Why would I?" I only use the internet when I need to and only then do I activate my Anti-Virus software.

If I could run my Flight Simulators without a computer I would! I think computers are a right pain in the a,.e to be honest. Particularly when you have Big Brother Microsoft trying to control your life and telling you...."YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO OPEN YOUR FILES!" I have tried most of the so called solutions put forward by well meaning people, but still can't edit my files! I even made myself an 'ELEVATED ADMINISTRATOR' but to no avail.

I am retired and spend most evenings in my den on my Simulators (FSX & P3D) for which I have spent thousands of pounds on hardware and software. I am an addicted aviator, I was a PPL until my heart attack in 2000 which put an abrupt halt to my flying. Hence the simulator in a spare room.

My question is simple and straight forward!

Can anyone out there please tell me how to DISABLE ALL RESTRICTIONS TO MY FILES? I edit configuration files all the time, as I am always adding or removing aircraft, scenery, airports etc. I must add however, I have the same problem in Windows 10! NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM IN VISTA.

I really hope someone can tell me how to solve this problem!

Thankyou

Louis

 

[samuria]

What files are you trying to edit in what folder? Ms has locked a lot of system files which will be owned by system so you can't destroy your system the idea is if you get a virus it will run on your account so it couldn't alter system files thus keep you safe

 

[psvpilot59]

At the end of the day it is MY COMPUTER! When I (rarely) connect to the 'Net' I activate an expensive protection program. However, it is no big deal to me if my system somehow got destroyed! Both my operating systems are on their own SSD drives. Both my Flight Sims are also on their own SSD. I have everything backed up (once a week) on External drives. In the event of a system crash, I just call on a Backup or re-install from the installation disc. The files I need to edit are my Flt Sim Configuration files.

What I can't understand is: I've been using WIN 7 for the past 3 or 4 years with no such problems. I wonder if it's anything to do with the new computer I've just built?

Old PC: CPU Intel i7 3770K 4.5ghz - MOBO Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H (2013 TO 2017)

New PC: CPU Intel i7 7700K 4.2ghz -MOBO Gigabyte GA-Z270-GAMING K3 (2017......?)

It does seem strange that I didn't have this problem before?

 

[samuria]

What are the security properties on the folder and file your trying to edit

 

[dsperber]

My question is simple and straight forward!

Can anyone out there please tell me how to DISABLE ALL RESTRICTIONS TO MY FILES? I edit configuration files all the time, as I am always adding or removing aircraft, scenery, airports etc. I must add however, I have the same problem in Windows 10! NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM IN VISTA.

I really hope someone can tell me how to solve this problem!

If you could provide some actual details and specifics, someone might be able to help you. Also, a picture's worth 1000 words, so a well-picked screenshot or two might convey your setup and situation quite well.

What program are you trying to run or function that are you trying to perform, which is giving you "access is denied"? Windows Explorer? Some other program?

Are you having problems when trying to open a folder? Or when trying to trying to simply open some file in a folder "for edit" (e.g. by Windows Explorer)? Or is some program trying to read the file as a normal "data" file that it works with all the time?

"Access is denied" usually comes when a file is currently open and in-use by Windows or some other running process that has it locked. Perhaps that still-running process didn't shut down correctly and is actually still unexpectedly running. Very often re-booting and then trying to get to that file again will work, since the culprit task has now not been started and is thus now no longer holding on to that file.

If you look at the list of running processes using Task Manager -> Resource Monitor -> DISK tab -> "processes with disk activity" (sorted into alphabetical sequence by clicking on the "image" column heading) and also open the "disk activity" category below it, you will be able to see all the running tasks which have some type of disk connection active and to what files. By checking only those tasks in the "processes with disk activity" list that you might really be interested in, the list in the "disk activity" group below is reduced and it might be easier for you to be a detective and spot the problem file you are unable to access because "access is denied".

If you repeat the process after a re-boot when now you CAN get to the problem file, and you spot that some previously running task which had been accessing that file is no longer running (thus now allowing you to open the file), you will at least have found the culprit task which for some reason is failing to release its lock on that file when you think it should be done with it.

I'm just suggesting you use Task Manager -> Resource Monitor to try and gather some clues as to where the locked file is currently still being used in what looks like a non-shared way.

 

[TechnoMage2016]

I don't have a lot of problems with Win-7 (my everyday OS) but Win-10 is something else.

Just doing the setup on W-10 requires that I have to do some gymnastics to get full permission to do what I need to do.

First I install "Grant Admin Full Control", and then I Right click on the file that I need to modify and from the drop-down menu, I select "Grant Admin Full Control" and that makes me the 'Owner' of that file.

Even after that, I might still have to look at the 'Properties' of that file and take off the "Read Only" attribute. Finally after all that, I can, without fail, rename or even delete the file.

I shut down 'Cortana' in Win-10 by changing her Core.dll file to a .zzz file.

Having to go through all that for multiple files is a real pain in the hind quarter, but it's indeed DO'Able.
It just depends on my level of tolerance.

Just installing "Grant Admin Full Control" as soon as the initial OS setup is complete, makes my life so much more pleasant.

Good Luck and Happy Computing,
TechnoMage

 

[psvpilot59]

Access Denied

Hi Guys,

I think I've managed to upload a couple of screenshots showing the files I'm having trouble with! Let me know if you don't get them and I'll check the tutorial again.

Cheers






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[Barman58]

First "rule" is never change access permissions to any files or Folders in the Windows Area, They are specially protected due to the vast amount of malware loose in the wild, this applies even to systems which are not connected to the internet, the protections you see are there as a default if programs do not set-up according to the guidelines for using windows. It even applies to some older designed Microsoft games and programs which were designed in the XP era which had virtually no security

Looking at your screenshots it looks like the issue is with the file structure of an external drive L: (Data Drive), what you need to do is choose a view of your system in file explorer where you can see your various Drives at root level ...

1. Right Click on the entry for L: drive
2. Choose Properties
3. Choose security Tab
4. Click Advanced
5. Click Edit
6. Make sure that the "replace all child object permissions entries with inherited permissions from this object" is checked
7. From the list select your user name and click on edit
8. Check the "Full Control Checkbox and OK - the system will then spend a while applying changes - OK any pop-up boxes produced, and note where they occurred.

When completed you should have control of your drive If you still have issue you may have to re do the procedure starting at any points where messages were produced earlier ( these points are where there were slight errors introduced during use of the software.

This is the manual way of applying permissions that should be applied by the installer software when installing software.

there is a shortcut to achieve a similar ( but in some ways more dangerous way with some software ) and that is to
Change the owner at line 7 in the list

there are ways to add the take ownership to the right click of files and folders ) but I prefer the " correct way shown

Take Ownership Shortcut - Windows 7 Help Forums

Also in your case I've shown how to "correct" the permissions on the whole drive - If you are only interested in the actual config files you show in the screenshot you could just apply the corrections to the actual files or containing folder or even take ownership of the files using the right click option which would be a lot quicker

These type of permissions errors can often happen if you move an external drive between computers, or to a new system, as what we see as a username is not what the computer sees - User Fred on system one is not the same user Fred on system 2 to computers so when looking at the permissions lists or ownership do not worry if you see a long string of numbers starting with S as the owner or in the list as these are the names that the systms actually use

 

[psvpilot59]

Hello Nigel,

I've tried everything you said over the past week and still can't get into the required files! I think you hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned moving external drives from one computer to another. That is exactly what I have just done! I moved drives from my old machine to my new one, including the external USB drive! At the end of the day, it's not the end of the world. I can manage without those files, but it would have saved me a considerable amount of time setting up my flight sim!

Thankyou for taking the time to try and help me with this, I do appreciate it.

Also: Thankyou to everyone else who tried to help.

Louis

 

[RoWin7]

(I just want to comment on your experience, because Win 7 has driven me nuts more than a few time while observing the rules of the UAC. I acquired this Win 7 machine almost a year ago. It took me 8 months (not continuously, of course) to figure out how to trick the system into installing Inquisit, an optional program that I need for some tasks at work. I've given up on installing a few others, finding similar substitutes instead.)

 

[Barman58]

Hello Nigel,

I've tried everything you said over the past week and still can't get into the required files! I think you hit the nail on the head, when you mentioned moving external drives from one computer to another. That is exactly what I have just done! I moved drives from my old machine to my new one, including the external USB drive! At the end of the day, it's not the end of the world. I can manage without those files, but it would have saved me a considerable amount of time setting up my flight sim!

Thankyou for taking the time to try and help me with this, I do appreciate it.

Also: Thankyou to everyone else who tried to help.

Louis

hello Louis, sorry not got back sooner, Life got in the way

There is one last possibility to try - There is a hidden administrator in windows 7 that has rights more of a level that was provided by the administrator in XP

It needs to be unlocked before you can use it for any purpose

Built-in Administrator Account - Enable or Disable - Windows 7 Help Forums

and can be renamed to something more subtle if you wish

Built-in Administrator Account - Change Name - Windows 7 Help Forums

Now if you do the above you should see an extra user on the login screen, now you can just swap to using this new user ( and if you wish rename it to replace you current user and delete your current user), this would possibly involve some re-installation of your current setup to run the Flight Sim to get it to work

However as this would weaken the security of the system I would suggest a more complex but safer usage system - continue to use the normal user for your Day to Day Flying and after setting a decent password to the (renamed?) hidden administrator, Use it for editing the config files or other blocked items, ( I am assuming that these would only need editing occasionally)

This system should allow you to run the simulator as you wish and still keep the safety needed for the modern operating System

Which ever method you decide on I would suggest you use at least the first tutorial and check that you can use it to edit your files if it does that you can then decide which way to go - if not ( unlikely but possible if there has been some damage to the protection on those files), you can simply re-hide the hidden administrator and be back to how you are now

Hopefully we can get you back to being in control of your system