no need to apologize issue was addressed..glad to see thread lead to good questions and comments, excellent suggestions by advanced members... never a simple linear issue when it comes to tech...a side note I set up an ftp server and had so many problems with windows firewall I switched to zone alarm &it worked...and yes, I did open port 21, and data port 20, and added the server program to allowed services...tried everything in the book, the FTP server programs (had the same issue w/fillzilla, servu, a few others), simply wouldn't work with winfirewall. eventually settled on Quick n' Easy FTP Server, but others good too. FTP is so great you can share files without all the b.s. ftp is making a huge comeback b/c people are fed up with the clutter on the web (too many ads, too many options, too many flash ads, register for this/that ugh)