CleanMem, the only memory optimizer that really works !

[hackerman1]

hi !

from what i´ve learned, all those RAM-optimizers are just BS.
they delete the Prefetch-cache from memory which although gives you more memory, doesn´t improve the performance at all.

on the contrary, since they delete the Prefetch-cache, you actually lose performance....

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem:

"Cleanmem is very small as it doesn't need to do much. First off Cleanmem doesn't clean the memory from the processes itself! It asks Windows to do that. When the program starts up it grabs a list of running processes. It then grabs the ID of each process and calls the Windows API EmptyWorkingSet for each processes, Cleanmem of course checks the ignore list and skips those processes. Then Windows cleans the process, and once all the processes have been cleaned Cleanmem closes itself.

Well that's the part that seems to freak some people out, if the memory is being cleaned then the process itself will suffer! the memory will be pushed to the hard drive! the world will end! And guess what they are wrong. So let me explain why. The API call only removes memory no longer being used by the process. It doesn't touch memory in use. Here is an example from a visual basic programming stand point"

more info about it: CleanMem v.1.5.0 | PcWinTech.comâ„¢
View Video Of How CleanMem Works: CleanMem V1.5 |

CleanMem works very well, i´ve used it for 2 years on XP Vista & W7.

it´s FREE, so try it....

 

[Greg S]

hi !

from what i´ve learned, all those RAM-optimizers are just BS.
they delete the Prefetch-cache from memory which although gives you more memory, doesn´t improve the performance at all.

on the contrary, since they delete the "Prefetch-cache", you actually lose performance....

the only program that really does something useful is Cleanmem:

"Cleanmem is very small as it doesn't need to do much. First off Cleanmem doesn't clean the memory from the processes itself! It asks Windows to do that. When the program starts up it grabs a list of running processes. It then grabs the ID of each process and calls the Windows API EmptyWorkingSet for each processes, Cleanmem of course checks the ignore list and skips those processes. Then Windows cleans the process, and once all the processes have been cleaned Cleanmem closes itself.

Well that's the part that seems to freak some people out, if the memory is being cleaned then the process itself will suffer! the memory will be pushed to the hard drive! the world will end! And guess what they are wrong. So let me explain why. The API call only removes memory no longer being used by the process. It doesn't touch memory in use. Here is an example from a visual basic programming stand point"

more info about it: CleanMem v.1.5.0 | PcWinTech.comâ„¢
View Video Of How CleanMem Works: CleanMem V1.5 |

CleanMem works very well, i´ve used it for 2 years on XP Vista & W7.

it´s FREE, so try it....

Ooo, you've opened a can of worms! lol I've been through this with the elites here at Seven who consider it nothing more than snakeoil which it isn't and works really well. It uses the same Call that Windows uses for doing the very same thing.

 

[JonM33]

I have 4GB RAM and never once had memory issues with Windows 7. Extra "memory cleaner" programs are unnecessary.

 

[hackerman1]

yes, but for those with less RAM...
a "Mini-PC" like fx. ASUS EEE has only 1GB RAM, and can be upgraded to 2GB.

 

[Greg S]

yes, but for those with less RAM...

Exactly

I have 4GB RAM and never once had memory issues with Windows 7. Extra "memory cleaner" programs are unnecessary.

Yes, I agree for those who are able to boast about their 4GB of ram

 

[logicearth]

I have to ask. What does this achieve in the long run?
What benefit is there cleaning out the working sets?

I have just 1 GB on my Dell Mini running Windows 7 Ultimate, no memory problems.
And I never used such an application like this.

 

[Krispy1]

ive actually seen in many cases from comparisons this makes thins worst in the long run

 

[Taliseian]

From my experience with W7, doing things like this only push stuff out of the swap file.

W7 handles memory much better than any previous version of Windows.

What's the point of having memory "free"....you want to use it....after all, you bought it.

W7 uses your memory to enhance system speed by keeping the most commonly used code in the fastest access possible...system memory.

If you run something and that process needs more memory, then it drops that code and you get your memory.

Also, don't believe in those "memory defrag" myths.......memory (like SSD Drives) doesn't need to be defragmented. Since there are no moving parts and any part of memory can be accessed quickly, defraging memory is useless.

In other words...the only memory "optimization" that you can do is get more memory for the system to use so it uses less of the page file.

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[hackerman1]

From my experience with W7, doing things like this only push stuff out of the swap file.

no.
have you not read my first post above ?
i posted a description of how CleanMem works...

it does NOT delete prefetch-cache or move data to the swap-file.

"...push stuff out of the swap file."

i suppose you mean TO the swap-file ?
since the swap-file is on your harddisk, not in memory....

 

[Thorsen]

Swap prefetch
A few operating systems use anticipatory paging, also called swap prefetch. These operating systems periodically attempt to guess which pages will soon be needed, and start loading them into RAM. There are various heuristics in use, such as "if a program references one virtual address which causes a page fault, perhaps the next few pages' worth of virtual address space will soon be used" and "if one big program just finished execution, leaving lots of free RAM, perhaps the user will return to using some of the programs that were recently paged out".

This is from wiki..... so I think what Taliseian was meaning was that this is the same thing:

The API call only removes memory no longer being used by the process.

As such memory is being stored in the swap as info to Keep on the RAM. When it is taken out of the swap file, it can be written over in the RAM

 

[Taliseian]

Doh!

That's what I get for posting before coffee..... =)

Thanks Thorsen


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[Microhard]

Almost all memory optimizers are bad, don't use it.

 

[hackerman1]

Microhard:

have you, read my first post ?

"...all those RAM-optimizers are just BS.
they delete the Prefetch-cache from memory which although gives you more memory, doesn´t improve the performance at all.

on the contrary, since they delete the "Prefetch-cache", you actually lose performance....

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem"

so why not use CleanMem ?

 

[Greg S]

Microhard:

have you, read my first post ?

"...all those RAM-optimizers are just BS.
they delete the Prefetch-cache from memory which although gives you more memory, doesn´t improve the performance at all.

on the contrary, since they delete the "Prefetch-cache", you actually lose performance....

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem"

so why not use CleanMem ?

Hack you covered all bases with your first post but I'm afraid people see this as the old CacheMan app that wasn't worth doodly. I've found it(CleanMem) to be an excellent mem tool. About this:

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem

Windows itself will do the same thing from time to time. With CleanMem you can schedule task it to do it more frequently or as some do, manually whenever you want.

 

[fseal]

Windows itself will do the same thing from time to time. With CleanMem you can schedule task it to do it more frequently or as some do, manually whenever you want.

Well that's just it. Windows DOES do this, and it specifically does it if your running out of ram.

So... I really don't see much benefit from forcing it at regular intervals. It could actaually get in the way of realtime applications like gaming. By forcing a memory flush it could halt the game during the flush. This could in turn hurt the game later when it tries to realloc memory which it could have gotten back from it's working set but now has to be gotten from the main heap and brought into the working set.

Really... no.

 

[Tews]

+1 .... I installed this just to try it out, and it works like a charm! Thanks

 

[Thorsen]

Microhard:

have you, read my first post ?

"...all those RAM-optimizers are just BS.
they delete the Prefetch-cache from memory which although gives you more memory, doesn´t improve the performance at all.

on the contrary, since they delete the "Prefetch-cache", you actually lose performance....

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem"

so why not use CleanMem ?

Hack you covered all bases with your first post but I'm afraid people see this as the old CacheMan app that wasn't worth doodly. I've found it(CleanMem) to be an excellent mem tool. About this:

the only program that really does something useful is CleanMem

Windows itself will do the same thing from time to time. With CleanMem you can schedule task it to do it more frequently or as some do, manually whenever you want.

I am sorry for not clarifying in my post, I am neither for or against this program as I have not used it, I was only trying to clear up the info about the swapfile (I hope I was correct )

I am on the fence on this one. I understand that Win7 does the same thing (as you state), just that it only does it when it is needed. (Edit: or periodically)

Example of good use:
So, lets say you just used Photoshop or some huge video editing program, you would want this RAM back and windows wont de-allocate it until its needed. Then this program would be good to prompt the system to clear all the unused RAM.

Example of bad use:
If on the other hand, you are using small programs over and over again, then clearing out the unused memory could actually slow you down as it will all need to be reloaded into RAM.

^^^^ Im pretty sure these examples are correct, let me know if I am misunderstanding anything about this subject.

 

[Zoloft]

Thanks for the info, and the healthy debate. Installed rebooted and scheduled. If this lil puppy can keep firefox in cheque, as it shows in the video demo, it's all I could ever ask for.

 

[Greg S]

+1 .... I installed this just to try it out, and it works like a charm! Thanks

One thing to keep in mind with this on Win 7. I had used it on XP for some time and the results were dramtic to say the least. I began using it with Win 7 and the results were not as dramatic. On a hunch, I decided to right click the CleanMem.exe > Properties > Compatibilty Tab and check mark at the bottom "Run this program as an administrator". This return it to the results I was getting in XP

 

[Greg S]

Windows itself will do the same thing from time to time. With CleanMem you can schedule task it to do it more frequently or as some do, manually whenever you want.

Well that's just it. Windows DOES do this, and it specifically does it if your running out of ram.

So... I really don't see much benefit from forcing it at regular intervals. It could actaually get in the way of realtime applications like gaming. By forcing a memory flush it could halt the game during the flush. This could in turn hurt the game later when it tries to realloc memory which it could have gotten back from it's working set but now has to be gotten from the main heap and brought into the working set.

Really... no.

That's why I do it manually when I want to. Usually once a day is enough for me. About gaming, run it prior to your Game.