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I have wondered for a long time now, why does a "160 HDD" only got 149 GB of space?:confused: And a 320 GB, only got 298? Why doesnt it just say "150 GB HDD" and "300 GB HDD" then? :huh:
Or is there an explanation why?

- Sergio
 
There's an explanation. It has to do with decimal format, which we usually read, and binary, which the computer reads. There's a ratio for it, (1000/1024 = .9765625) but this thread here pretty much explains it out. :p
Hard Drive Size being reported wrong in Windows
 

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Its also to do with the cache size. For instance if you buy a Samsung F1 1Tb 32mb, thats 32mb taken off straight away for caching.

Once you install Windows then its further reduced with NTFS data and MTF data.
 

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Well yes, but you're not going to see a 10 plus gigabyte loss with the cache though. It's also good for manufuaturer's/sellers, as you think you're getting a bigger capacity size, when in actuality it will be reduced based on the ratio.

Then you have system restore gobbling up even more GB day by day, based upon the size you have allocated for it, the rate of points it makes, or even if you have it enabled. But that's easy to get back by deleting your restore points.
 

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i had always looked for this explanation. the above posts explains it all. Thanks Aaron and Swarfega.



Edit:
Would you want to buy a hard drive that is labeled as 2^35 byte hard drive? Or would you rather see a 500Gb drive?
i like this one.
 

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1 + 1 = 10b,
7 + 7 = 16o,
a + b = 15h.
No actually, makes perfect sense to me... ;)
 

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Sorry but I'm a little confused :o

I can't see the link between Cache and disk capacity, The Cache is an amount of RAM used to buffer the data from the processor to the drive to allow for the relatively slow mechanical nature of the drive :confused:

Nothing major but I was unaware of any mirroring of the cache with actual disk space
 

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Just a lot of "gibberish", isn't it?



What...my answer or the link I posted? :sarc:

Here, I'll do the math, it's simple.

(Used the wrong ratio in my original post there) This one for GB (0.9313226)


You've got a 320GB HDD, which only shows 298GB right?

Just take

320 multiplied by 0.9313226 = 298GB


160GB

160 multiplied by 0.9313226 = 149GB
 

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1 Samsung 250GB 840 Evo SSD
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1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 7200RPM 32MB cache
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Its also to do with the cache size. For instance if you buy a Samsung F1 1Tb 32mb, thats 32mb taken off straight away for caching.

Once you install Windows then its further reduced with NTFS data and MTF data.

Hi Swarfega,

I'm sorry man, but you are mixing up a few things in your post.

First, the 32mb cache is a separate memory chip on the disk's controller,
it has nothing to do with the space on the platters.

The loss of space by MTF, and NTFS cluster size is also a different matter,
because it will only reflect on the amount of free/used space, not the disk size.


The one and only reason for the difference in size is this:

Let's take a disk that the manufacturer claims has 160 Gbyte.
The real size of the disk is 160.000.000.000 Bytes.

The manufacturer takes off the zeros leaving 160 Gbyte.
They actually divide it three times by a 1000, but that's a sales trick.

They should divide it three times by 1024

160.000.000.000 bytes (/1024) = 156.250.000 Kbytes
156.250.000 Kbytes (/1024) = 152.587 Mbytes
152.587 Mbytes (/1024) = 149 Gbytes

So:
160.000.000.000 bytes = 149Gb
That's why 160 Gb in the shop = 149 Gb in your computer.

It's a rip off. Nothing more nothing less.
It dates back to the floppy days, but with disks growing bigger, the difference gets worse and worse.

A so called 1TB disk in fact only has 931 Gbytes.

That's 69Gb less,

That's a very nice Win7 partition worth of space.
Or 15 full quality DVD films,
Or 108 wav quality CD rips,
Or 15.700 average MP3's at highest quality.
 

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What...my answer or the link I posted? :sarc:

Airbot,

No offense meant, to either your answer or the posted link. :o

It's just that I've seen the term used to describe various things technical,
and assumed it to be part of the internet 'jargon'.

I simply used the term to indicate
"something technical", i.e. mathematics....

My sincere apologies, if you felt my post meant otherwise. :o
Again, no offense, to your answer or the link, which is quite good.
Seems not many today are interested in the binary number system...

Chuck
 

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1 + 1 = 10b,
7 + 7 = 16o,
a + b = 15h.
It's alright Chuck. The link I gave is kind of jumbled, I suppose I could of provided a more simplified link/answer. squonksc gave out a better layout so no harm done. ;)

Even though the OP didn't even bother to respond back at all with all our answers given. :rolleyes:
 

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Asus P6X58D Premium - Sata 6Gb/s - USB 3.0
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12GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator -CMD12GX3M6A1600C8 at 1600MHz
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Zotac Geforce GTX 770
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ASUS Xonar D2X
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1 LG 24" Flatron W2453V-PF 1 Samsung 24" P2450H both 2ms RT
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1920x1080@60hz
Hard Drives
1 Samsung 250GB 840 Evo SSD
1 OCZ Vertex2 180GB SSD
1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 7200RPM 32MB cache
2 500GB WD Caviar Blacks 7200RPM 32MB cache (WD5001AALS)

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Corsair HX1000W
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Firefox Nightly
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*Phone- LG Nexus 5
It's alright Chuck. The link I gave is kind of jumbled, I suppose I could of provided a more simplified link/answer. squonksc gave out a better layout so no harm done. ;)

Even though the OP didn't even bother to respond back at all with all our answers given. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the compliment Airbot,

I will take the relevant parts of my post, and make a thread called "HDD, Actual size vs Advertised size" and ask the mods to set it to solved.

Greetz
 

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300mb Quantum fireball
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110 Watts
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