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Windows 7: Any thoughts on Registry cleaners?

02 Jun 2010   #11
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Thanks, Rafe and Tom.


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02 Jun 2010   #12
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I don't recommend nor use registry cleaners. With the tens of thousands of keys and entries in the registry, a few hundred old left behind entries are not going to negatively impact the system any more than installing another piece of software (registry cleaner) which will certainly add additional stuff to the registry during the install.

I'm in the camp: They do more harm than good and are unncessary.
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02 Jun 2010   #13
Borg 386

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1, Win 10
 
 

According to the links I've been checking (Thank you Grimmjow), MS does make a scanner, OneCare Live. It says it will scan your registry and remove items safely.

Clean Up Center - Windows Live OneCare safety scanner

Has anyone had any experience with this, or is this still not a wise move?
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02 Jun 2010   #14
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Well said, Carl.

Precisely inline with what I tell everyone who asks:

User: "I want to use [insert Registry Cleaner name here]"

Me: "Ok, but are you familiar enough with the registry and it's contents to be able to do the cleanup manually, without the aid of a 3rd-party utility?"

User: "No, why?"

Me: "Because if you're not, how can you be sure that [insert Registry Cleaner name here] isn't deleting something important?"

User: "Ok scratch that idea!"
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02 Jun 2010   #15
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
According to the links I've been checking (Thank you Grimmjow), MS does make a scanner, OneCare Live. It says it will scan your registry and remove items safely.

Clean Up Center - Windows Live OneCare safety scanner

Has anyone had any experience with this, or is this still not a wise move?
Even if it doess come from Microsoft, can you be sure that the person who wrote said utility was involved with the development of Windows itself, and knows enough about the registry to be able to translate and automate such knowledge into the said utility?

In a nutshell: ANY registry cleaner, no matter how reputable the source, is a no-go.
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02 Jun 2010   #16
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I don't recommend nor use registry cleaners. With the tens of thousands of keys and entries in the registry, a few hundred old left behind entries are not going to negatively impact the system any more than installing another piece of software (registry cleaner) which will certainly add additional stuff to the registry during the install.

I'm in the camp: They do more harm than good and are unncessary.
Well stated.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
According to the links I've been checking (Thank you Grimmjow), MS does make a scanner, OneCare Live. It says it will scan your registry and remove items safely.

Clean Up Center - Windows Live OneCare safety scanner

Has anyone had any experience with this, or is this still not a wise move?
I have used it with the XP machine. I did try it with 7 right after I installed. I have not used it since.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Well said, Carl.

Precisely inline with what I tell everyone who asks:

User: "I want to use [insert Registry Cleaner name here]"

Me: "Ok, but are you familiar enough with the registry and it's contents to be able to do the cleanup manually, without the aid of a 3rd-party utility?"

User: "No, why?"

Me: "Because if you're not, how can you be sure that [insert Registry Cleaner name here] isn't deleting something important?"

User: "Ok scratch that idea!"
I like your approach!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
According to the links I've been checking (Thank you Grimmjow), MS does make a scanner, OneCare Live. It says it will scan your registry and remove items safely.

Clean Up Center - Windows Live OneCare safety scanner

Has anyone had any experience with this, or is this still not a wise move?
Even if it doess come from Microsoft, can you be sure that the person who wrote said utility was involved with the development of Windows itself, and knows enough about the registry to be able to translate and automate such knowledge into the said utility?

In a nutshell: ANY registry cleaner, no matter how reputable the source, is a no-go.
Basically, I agree. But I would not be afraid to use the MS one - if I needed a registry cleaner.
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02 Jun 2010   #17
CarlTR6

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
CarlTR6, Is there a website where I can see how Win 7 handles the registry?
Not that I am aware of. There are several very good books on Win 7. That is where you will find you best, in depth information.
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03 Jun 2010   #18
drugo

windows 7 ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CarlTR6 View Post
Windows is a closed source system. Developers of registry cleaners do not have the core code of Win 7 and are not working on definitive information, but rather they are going on past knowledge and experience. Automatic cleaners will usually have to do some guesswork.
Modifying registry keys incorrectly can cause Windows instability, or make Windows unbootable. No registry cleaner is completely safe and the potential is ever present to cause more problems than they claim to fix.

My advice for the average computer user is DO NOT use a registry cleaner. If you do not have knowledge of the registry, then you are far better off leaving it alone, and definitely not placing blind trust in a program to do the job for you.
Registry cleaners cannot distinguish between good and bad. If you run a registry cleaner, it will delete all those keys which are obsolete and sitting idle; but in reality, those keys may well be needed by some programs or windows at a later time.

Registry defragger programs are a myth, too. They might trim the registry size by 8-12MB; but will not improve operating system performance. In fact, your programs’ performance will decrease.
Win 7 does not need a registry cleaner. Forget all the "wisdom" you learned about XP. Win 7 is not XP and does not manage the registry the same as XP.

Win 7 is much more efficient at managing the registry than previous Windows versions. If you are very knowledgeable of the registry, you can use Ccleaner to delete keys left over when uninstalling programs. However, these few keys will not make 1 millisecond's difference in performance. If you run Ccleaner or any other registry cleaner and do not know precisely what you are doing, you will have problems down the road. There are no gains to be had from using a registry cleaner and the risk is great.
i uninstalled photoshop cs4 and it left lots of key linked to photoshop cs4
association too

what should i do?
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03 Jun 2010   #19
Vertex

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9 Gnome 32 Bit
 
 

I disagree with some of you. I think you definitely should clean the registry if and only if, you have experience, you are an expert and when you really know what you are doing.

Even if I do all those other tweaks besides the registry cleaning part, my computer is still undeniably slower by a few percent than before and I find no other explanations for that except there are registry bugs. The only downside of registry cleaning is that its the most risky.

If your RAM is 2GB or higher like you guys, I've seen your system specs, you probably won't notice this anyway especially if you are too busy with other things but if you have 1GB or lower, I swear, changes in system responsiveness are more noticeable and doing all the tweaks besides registry cleaning does not completely resolve that. If you do not have the Windows installation CD, this is even a bigger problem.
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03 Jun 2010   #20
Vertex

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 Bit, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9 Gnome 32 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by drugo View Post
i uninstalled photoshop cs4 and it left lots of key linked to photoshop cs4
association too

what should i do?
I think the leftover keys that are linked to Photoshop are safe to delete unless you have installed another version of Photoshop.
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