ACTA leak: ISPs to be bound by new rules

[Al Fairclough]

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

So have you never recorded shows of tv or the chart hits when you were younger? Maybe on cassette tapes from your mates bedroom? Because if you never you must be the only person in the world not to have done so.

I guess were all thieves according to your logic.

Or ever lent a book or magazine to anyone? Perhaps you have thumbed through a magazine on a stand or a book on the store shelf? Did you purchase it? If not then the IP rights of the author(s) have been violated. Ever seen a VanGogh, Cezanne, Monet or a da Vince? Did you remit to the artist or the estate thereof? I didn't think so.

The IP rights scenario can be taken to absurd proportions. In Canada, we pay a substancial tax on every blank cassette and CD, which is remitted to the recording industry and now they want more!

 

[baarod]

The legal priorities in this crazy world in which we live are broken. They allow the banks to pillage our assets with no recriminations, major humanitarian injustices throughout the world go ignored, billions of our taxes poured with gay abandon onto the black hole of war, millions crying for food and clean water...yet corporate power and legislation get stronger still....we're doomed.

It's been going on forever. There are books from the Bible which were excluded. Truth is golden. Information is at risk. But love your wife and your child(ren) as they are the only thing worth worrying about while you are active and healthy. After that you can get into politics and the policy of truth. Ever look into the word policy? It means police-ing. So there it is. Let the kids play outside. Let them feel freedom, sunshine. Let them eat dirt and love it. Cause when the get older they will remember what it feels like. And honestly, there are more oldsters here with status than kids. That's what elders do. As I become one.

 

[seekermeister]

Anyone that thinks that this is bad...just wait, it's going to get a lot worse.

 

[baron75mk2]

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

So have you never recorded shows of tv or the chart hits when you were younger? Maybe on cassette tapes from your mates bedroom? Because if you never you must be the only person in the world not to have done so.

I guess were all thieves according to your logic.

well said - & just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person - a bit dodgy maybe at best but not bad at all - lee get off your soap box !! - who are you to judge who & what is good or bad? - leave that to god. - or are you one of these fat-cats that benifits from this kind of stuff ?

 

[baron75mk2]

Again RST101 you have proven my point. If I cannot prove it is right then I will blame someone else. I will point out how stupid they are my saying they recorded a movie or television show (sorry never owned a VHS or Beta machine).

If that doesn't work then lets point out the greedy corporations. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't need to steal their products. They set the prices to high, so in order for us lowly peasants to get some of their products we have to steal it that is the only way we will ever get what we want.

lee the only one that seems to be unable to have a civil conversation about the issue is you. this is the second tread that i have had to chide you on.

might as well save your breath staple head - this lee is obviously a higher form of human being than the rest of us lying , stealing , unworthy , poor peasants - must be a lonely existence being so perfect

 

[thefabe]

Alright come on guys everyone is entitled to their opinions. And some people hold themselves to a high moral standard than others. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything on this post except for the personal attack on someone who has chosen to disagree with your opinions.It's starting to get to the bashing point. Fabe

 

[baron75mk2]

Alright come on guys everyone is entitled to their opinions. And some people hold themselves to a high moral standard than others. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything on this post except for the personal attack on someone who has chosen to disagree with your opinions.It's starting to get to the bashing point. Fabe

i agree totaly with you fabe - everyone does have the right to disagree & hold thier own opinion , but if you read some of the other posts you will see this person attacking other posters by calling them thieves , dishonest people & peasants now surely they have the right also to hold thier opinions as well without being insulted in this way - all i was doing was giving this person some of ther own medicine - but i do agree with your post totaly - as long as everyone is behaving in the same way towards each other if this person insults others then they must expect a little retribution in return - it just go to me a little when he insulted the guy who asked the question about recording something on the tv by insinuating by doing this he was some kind of dishonest unworthy person - i mean we all occasionaly record a film or sporting event to watch at at a later point - it doesnt make us bad people, thieves or peasents - as im sure you will agree - i do appreciate the input though - maybe i should have just ignored him/her - just annoyed me a bit - lol

 

[darkassain]

agree with thefabe here...
he may have his own opinion here
i will agree that by just being suspected and not accused of doing such things is just wrong especially by not having a court trial...
reminds me of guilty (easy to do) until proven innocent (which may impossible to do)

 

[baron75mk2]

agree with thefabe here...
he may have his own opinion here
i will agree that by just being suspected and not accused of doing such things is just wrong especially by not having a court trial...
reminds me of guilty (easy to do) until proven innocent (which may impossible to do)

agreed

 

[smarteyeball]

just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person - a bit dodgy maybe at best but not bad at all - lee get off your soap box !! - who are you to judge who & what is good or bad?

What was that about judgment and soap boxes? :huh:

- leave that to god

No, leave that sort of thing well and truly out of it...


Regardless of somebodies personal view point, someone else will always disagree, no matter what. It's human nature.

As for judgments on the behavior of others - realistically no-one has the right to judge anybody else, but it still occurs nevertheless. Again, that's just human nature.

 

[baron75mk2]

just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person - a bit dodgy maybe at best but not bad at all - lee get off your soap box !! - who are you to judge who & what is good or bad?

What was that about judgment and soap boxes? :huh:

- leave that to god

No, leave that sort of thing well and truly out of it...


Regardless of somebodies personal view point, someone else will always disagree, no matter what. It's human nature.

As for judgments on the behavior of others - realistically no-one has the right to judge anybody else, but it still occurs nevertheless. Again, that's just human nature.

what ? so im not alowed to metion the word god in these forums ? & that he ultimately decides who is wrong or right ? thats not getting on a soap box thats expressing an opinion which you seem so particular about pointing out - read the post properly & think next time

 

[darkassain]

what ? so im not alowed to metion the word god in these forums ? & that he ultimately decides who is wrong or right ? thats not getting on a soap box thats expressing an opinion which you seem so particular about pointing out - read the post properly & think next time

religion (mentioning God for example) seems to rattle people along forums such as these where not every believes in the same or in a religion as you or someone else does...

which is why religion as general sense is not usually seen here...

also because this is OT...

 

[smarteyeball]

what ? so im not alowed to metion the word god in these forums ? & that he ultimately decides who is wrong or right ?

It would be preferable not to. Not everybody prescribes that particular point of view.

thats not getting on a soap box thats expressing an opinion which you seem so particular about pointing out - read the post properly & think next time

lol, I was merely pointing out a contradiction...

You yourself made a judgment ( ie - a bit dodgy maybe ) and in the next breath denounced someone else for making judgments in previous posts.

To me, that is proof that the post was read and thought was applied. All without the aid of a soapbox.



Cheers

 

[baron75mk2]

what ? so im not alowed to metion the word god in these forums ? & that he ultimately decides who is wrong or right ? thats not getting on a soap box thats expressing an opinion which you seem so particular about pointing out - read the post properly & think next time

religion (mentioning God for example) seems to rattle people along forums such as these where not every believes in the same or in a religion as you or someone else does...

which is why religion as general sense is not usually seen here...

also because this is OT...

again no disagrements with this post at all - but if this person is allowed to call people thieves , peasants etc - then i will not apologise for a fundimental right to believe in something higher than man - in comparison i cant see how that is more offensive than insulting others - which i did not do - from what i can see the last few posts on this subject are concentrating on my posts & not reading the previous 3 pages - it seems he/she can have an opinion but if i express one - it gets picked to pieces - i wont apologise for standing up to someone who thinks they are supierior to everyone else - period & just because others dont believe in something does that mean i cant ? or even express the opinion that i do - freedom of speech anyone ?

 

[RST101]

This is all really pointless if your argument consists of thief/peasant blah blah blah and like has been mentioned you are judging people you have never even seen let alone know.

Question - Will all the proceeds from this single released for the people of haiti go to them or do you think the studios will take a cut?


By the way ALL of my stuff is paid for except for a tweenies dvd because for the life of me I could not find it anywhere and so Should my three year old son miss out on learning because they don't produce nor sell dvds anymore?

 

[baron75mk2]

This is all really pointless if your argument consists of thief/peasant blah blah blah and like has been mentioned you are judging people you have never even seen let alone know.

Question - Will all the proceeds from this single released for the people of haiti go to them or do you think the studios will take a cut?


By the way ALL of my stuff is paid for except for a tweenies dvd because for the life of me I could not find it anywhere and so Should my three year old son miss out on learning because they don't produce nor sell dvds anymore?

lol-well this gets better & better you were one of the ones he was insulting in the first place - the main reason i posted to start with - post 19 you fool -

Again RST101 you have proven my point. If I cannot prove it is right then I will blame someone else. I will point out how stupid they are (meaning you) by saying they recorded a movie or television show (sorry never owned a VHS or Beta machine).

i dont know maybe hes right maybe you are stupid - as i was agreing with you in the first place
yet now your giving me grief for it

- i can see whats going on here your just looking for a reaction - ill leave all you all to it - cant be bothered anymore - what a bunch of prats

heres an idea why doint you all start up a lee fanclub & anyone who even disagrees all get together & trash them all over the place regardless if you were disagring with him as well

lol worst bunch of knit picking , self richious tossers ive ever encountered in a forum ever

 

[z3r010]

just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person

Nope it makes them a thief, plain and simple!!

 

[baron75mk2]

just because someone might download something they really should pay for does not make them an evil bad person

Nope it makes them a thief, plain and simple!!

you said it not me - i BUY all of my software / hardware - all i was saying was there are far worse people out there than some kid downloading a game or something i pay for all of my windows for instance - but i couldnt care less if someone can get it for free - they are the ones who will get caught doing it & pay the price so why should i care - but my initial point has been lost in a bunch of politically correct bullshit

now i have an administrator joining the bandwagon SO BAN ME SEE IF I GIVE A SHIT

 

[z3r010]

Ok

 

[Tews]

:roflmao: