ACTA leak: ISPs to be bound by new rules

[Bootz]

What about Crom's work? lol he is way cooler (coming from a Catholic) lol

 

[CarlTR6]

Musicans are way over payed anyway... how can a doctor go to school for 8 years and come out lucky to make 6 figures and someone that naturally can sing or even just has parents that could sing are making millions. Bottom line thats just not right, i dont have sympathy for either party.

That is called the free market. People make choices about how the wish to spend their earnings. If the public quit buying music, the earnings of musicians would come down, period. I don't begrudge the financial success of a musician, athlete, entertainer, etc. If one wished to make that kind of money, one should get off his/her butt, learn, train, and practice.

 

[Bootz]

I was aiming more at who decides the % they get and cost of the product not the musicans themselves.

 

[echrada]

What about Crom's work? lol he is way cooler (coming from a Catholic) lol

As a full blown atheist - tongue in cheek.

However, religion and all the other theists aside, stealing is stealing no matter how you want to colour it. Even a little bit is still stealing.

 

[RST101]

What about Crom's work? lol he is way cooler (coming from a Catholic) lol

As a full blown atheist - tongue in cheek.

However, religion and all the other theists aside, stealing is stealing no matter how you want to colour it. Even a little bit is still stealing.

I'll say it again shall I?

Unless it is done on a commercial scale ie for profit then it is civil law and thus cannot be deemed as theft.

By the way I buy my stuff but not agree with the business side of it and how they want to monopolise it, that's my only issue!

 

[RST101]

1204. Criminal offenses and penalties5

(a) In General. — Any person who violates section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain —

(1) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for the first offense; and

(2) shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense.

 

[Bootz]

Either way laws are laws and i follow them. I just disagree with them.

Although iv been told by an outside source that the ISP's in my area dont monitor this type of thing as of now. Theres 3 Universities in the small town i live in so i dont know how well that would go over for the ISP's if they were forced to turn these people in. Considering the college kids make up a large part of there business, and we all know college kids dont pirate

 

[Lebon14]

She say's it all so well!

Oh **d! The most awesome post of this thread! I agree with the first video oh and, the second video, a comment made me smile :

Blame the music industry for failing to adapt to, and poo-pooing, the emerging internet phenomenon while concentrating on little plastic discs and sending threatening letters to teens.

Music's distribution has evolved and the dinosaurs (majors) are facing extinction. You lot can choose to ignore it and die out, or to change how you do things and survive. It's that simple. Your business models need to change.

Music is art. Music must be shared for what it is. Software-wise, it's a whole other story though...

 

[dmex]

I'll say it again shall I?

Unless it is done on a commercial scale ie for profit then it is civil law and thus cannot be deemed as theft.

Walk into your local music store and try take some CDs, then when the cops show up and arrest you, try telling them that

Sugar coat it how you like, Its still thieving, you will still get arrested, you will still get charged with theft and you will still get fined.

 

[RST101]

This is all so screwed up man.

It doesn't even protect the copyright of anything I develop, create or release thats copyrighted, just the corporations copyright.

You changed your tune!

oh I forgot your part of "the team".

We are not on about walking in stores and stealing though are we? We are on about COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT which unless done commercially falls under civil law not criminal law therefore can not be classed as theft(by UK law). Don't you get it?

Have you never recorded nothing no? If you have does that make you a thief?

Just because I don't agree with the cooperation side of it doesn't make me a thief does it?

Also, when you say you is it me you refer to or?

 

[neo101]

As I said, thieves will always find a way to prove they are right, and no better what everyone else is wrong. They will attempt to prove themselves to be nice people by finding a way to lie their way out of a situation regardless of how wrong it is. "It is not fair that Microsoft makes all that money, and I don't get any of it, so I will steal their property, and that goes for Adobe, and Corel, etc.." "They owe the people (me) for just being here." Get my point.

The companies you quote are global virtual monopolies.

As the networked/computerised World grows exponentially year by year -
Windows Ultimate Operating System should be selling for $20
Adobe CS4 $25

It's sheer greed by the few and abuse of a privileged Global position that the people have put them in.

That's the bottom line!

 

[RST101]

Just to add to neo101s post there about greed etc I decided to reinstall GTA 4 before and all went well until I tried to open my games for windows live with it so I could play online.

Now because it was my fourth install with the same game, which I paid £30 for by the way, it now say's I have to purchase ANOTHER key to be able to do so, WTF, I have already paid good money for that game and now they want to screw more out of me for a game I already bought. Who's the theif now? They have basically took the game back off me and told me to buy it again.

Come on people where is the fairness in that, they have basically stole my game yet have the audacity to accuse people of stealing their stuff.

But I suppose you will just agree with them.

By the way it's not rockstar who are preventing me playing it because I can still play single player but MS wants its own £30 now for me to play on-line.

But that'll be ok with all you wont it.

 

[dmex]

You changed your tune!

oh I forgot your part of "the team".

What does that mean exactly? :sarc:

We are not on about walking in stores and stealing though are we? We are on about COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT which unless done commercially falls under civil law not criminal law therefore can not be classed as theft(by UK law). Don't you get it?

Have you never recorded nothing no? If you have does that make you a thief?

Just because I don't agree with the cooperation side of it doesn't make me a thief does it?

Also, when you say you is it me you refer to or?

Yes I have recorded tv shows its actually illegal here and the majority of the Commonwealth inc the US.

You forget the majority are from different country's and its classed as theft just about everywhere.

 

[RST101]

Quick pic took from gta 4 as I just tried to log in. Time and date visible.

Hope it's visible, sorry if it isn't.

Now is it right to take yet more money from an average joe to feed the billionaire fat cats, I have paid for it once and now they want more money.

But I'm in the wrong, right?

 

[Staple Head]

If you walk into a store and walk out with a CD without paying for it, you are stealing it and by definition that makes you a thief... you can try to justify it, but it doesnt change anything... you are what you are...

What are you on about? Who said anything about walking into a store and stealing? Of course your right because it is a physical possession.

It was an analogy... Theft does not require that the item be a physical possession...i.e identy theft

no but like rst101 said unless you are making a profit at it the digital copy falls under civil law not criminal law. so the laws governing physical property and digital property are some what different. it is a poor analogy to try to apply one to the other.

 

[Staple Head]

Quick pic took from gta 4 as I just tried to log in. Time and date visible.

Hope it's visible, sorry if it isn't.

Now is it right to take yet more money from an average joe to feed the billionaire fat cats, I have paid for it once and now they want more money.

But I'm in the wrong, right?

and this just another reason why cracks exist.

 

[RST101]

and this just another reason why cracks exist.

But according to the logic in this thread I would be a thief if I were to use a crack.


I don't expect an answer from the people in this thread who are backing the cooperations about whether I should have to pay again to play MY game, it's only right as they own the copyright so can do what they please can't they.

 

[severedsolo]

RST101 i agree with you in principle, morally it is wrong, unfortunately, if you were to challenge it, you would lose, the fact of the matter is, that these big companies have the lawmakers in their pockets, and things will not change any time soon,

of course with the advent of the digital britain report, soon we will all be assumed to be pirates until proved otherwise, and can have our internet access cut off if we're even suspected,

welcome to the birthplace of free speech and democracy....

 

[RST101]

Of course I would lose!! That's the very reason piracy exists in the first place, to combat the corrupt and those that pay off the law!

Most of these on the forums seem brain washed too, that's why it continues like it does.

Maybe they don't mind paying for a game a couple of times but I sure as hell do.

Need to grow some gonads people!

 

[ccatlett1984]

Have you tried contacting microsoft to get it to activate? Windows will do the same thing after a few activations, but you can call and get it activated over the phone.