American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12

[A Guy]

So, it's Apples fault...

A Guy

 

[Maguscreed]

Oh, I don't doubt the media will continue to get more and more ridiculous as time progresses.
The problem is the number of people watching them and taking them seriously is decreasing very quickly.

It's more my theory they will keep going through one side and out the other side of it.
They will forever present their editorial to anyone that would listen, but their teeth will be gone.
The effective power distributed to a million stars in 'the great cosmic interwebz'

The internet itself is actually fighting this from happening though. Constantly feeding search results to people that agree with them. It's really hard to have a clue as to what anyone else is actually thinking.

This used to be where the media filled in the holes.
Now we just talk to people, I've had conversations of varying natures with people from all over the world.
Thanks to the ridiculous fact most of them were forced to learn English for reasons that I think were meant to have a opposite effect than the one they have had.

This could go on forever though there is no end to this conversation.
...and sadly seeker I'm too much of a realist to jump straight on the 'love train' if you'll pardon the synopsis.

At this point I think the first step in the door is to merely get people to start accepting other people's right to exist.
Not like them, not know them, not agree with them, and certainly not love them.

It would be nice, but starting from a point of absolutes is completely contrary to any reality I understand about ...well life in general not just the human kind.

Just that tiny little thing would actually change the entire world right now.

Love is one of those dirty four letter words, many people these days only use right before engaging in other dirty four letter type words. I wouldn't expect much traction in reality.

So, it's Apples fault...

A Guy

2 points for that one.

 

[seekermeister]

So, it's Apples fault...

A Guy

Not sure where that came from?

 

[A Guy]

It's a thinker

A Guy

 

[Anak]

@ Anak - delighted to see you quoting that.

Few people understand how important it is to stand up for others.

Even over the small things in life.

If you don't, then little by little, choice and freedom are eroded - by the time you realise- it is too late.

Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Socialists..."

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Thank you for the kind words SIW2.

Instead of griping about it on some forum, put your money where your mouth is.
That's why I posted the contact links, look what it did to stop SOPA, and PIPA, for now.

Ours may be a lousy system, but it isn't the only way we have for the "common people" to express themselves to their elected Representatives.
Get out and vote; send a postcard, have meetings, work to have laws changed, make your voice heard, but the email angle seems to be the most effective, you can't stop you have to keep hammering at them, and you should also email to them in their home State offices.

So far I have emailed each U.S. Senator, and I am now working on the House, that will end up being a total of 535 emails.
Now that may seem like a small number, but if all the members here at SevenForums did the same, and the last time I checked it was 194,148 it would total 103,869,180 emails, each Senator alone would get hit with 9,707,400.
I'd love to hear the start of Congressional hearings down in Foggy Bottom.

My DW, and I just started new FiOS service with Verizon, and I am in a thread asking if they could clarify their position, and why haven't they sent out at least a form letter or posted something on-line about this new policy.
I expect a “canned response” in reply, but my hope is other FiOS users will see it, and “rally 'round the flag”.
It is here if anyone would like to see it

I realize that I will never see deep changes in how Governments are run in my lifetime, and it will take several generations for changes to be made, maybe more than several if ever, but I will have the satisfaction knowing that at least I tried.

 

[SIW2]

I would like to hear the official Verizon position on this new policy..

I should think they are crafting their announcement very, very carefully - it will tell you their actions are for your own good, I imagine.

 

[M1GU31]

So, it's Apples fault...

A Guy

totally

 

[seekermeister]

I would like to hear the official Verizon position on this new policy..

I should think they are crafting their announcement very, very carefully - it will tell you their actions are for your own good, I imagine.

They are probably looking for out of work political speech writers...liberals most likely.

 

[Maguscreed]

Liberals and conservatives are equally amusing to me, they are both seeking absolutes.
They will always fail.

 

[seekermeister]

I just did something that raised another question in my mind about this issue. I attempted to connect with a website called MegaVideo in one of my video players, and was greeted by a large FBI emblem, saying that the site was associated with Mega Upload, which had been seized. I clicked off the site within a couple of seconds, but now I'm wondering if that will put me on their list?

 

[Maguscreed]

No that's not enough to actually come after you.
They would need specific evidence that you were attempting to download copyrighted materials.
Which essentially it was impossible for you to do since the site has been shut down.

...there's a plugin for firefox that will get around that btw.
I can't promise your legal safety while using those plugins though.

 

[seekermeister]

I don't use Firefox, and I'm not interested in getting around anything. I'm just wondering how many pitfalls that I have to avoid to keep them off my back? If I go to a torrent website in my browser, it is obvious, but now I'm beginning to wonder about other programs...like TVU Player, Sopcast, etc. because I'm not really sure how they deliver their videos.

 

[A Guy]

There were many legit files hosted on the closed sites. Just visiting one would unlikely put you on any list. I'd think only excessive download behavior is going to alert your ISP to monitor you. They won't want to waste the time and resources watching every one of their users. A Guy

 

[Maguscreed]

In copyright you are truly only in violation if you yourself are sharing the content.
Which applies to all torrents, you must share to download.
It wouldn't apply as much with streaming content where the provider is the one at fault.
In general it's the providers they are looking to shut down.
You are just some guy on the internet, and they just want you afraid to basically do anything.
Apparently mission accomplished.

Don't feel bad they've gotten to me too. It's a couple of social sites. Here and my gaming sites.
I don't really just surf the web anymore like I once did.

I guess the only thing that has really changed is it's not because viruses I'm afraid of picking up anymore. ...I mean viruses I could deal with. Strange laws that are not even understood fully by the people who pass them into effect are much scarier to me.

 

[A Guy]

I certainly will not change anything I do online one iota. I don't do anything illegal, and if they want to suspect me, have at it. I don't upload, or even download enough to make anyone suspect though. But it irks me they would do this to anyone. It's supposed to be innocent unless proven guilty. But since there is no law involved, I guess they don't even have to follow that rule. A Guy

 

[seekermeister]

In copyright you are truly only in violation if you yourself are sharing the content.
Which applies to all torrents, you must share to download.
It wouldn't apply as much with streaming content where the provider is the one at fault.
In general it's the providers they are looking to shut down.
You are just some guy on the internet, and they just want you afraid to basically do anything.
Apparently mission accomplished.

Don't feel bad they've gotten to me too. It's a couple of social sites. Here and my gaming sites.
I don't really just surf the web anymore like I once did.

I guess the only thing that has really changed is it's not because viruses I'm afraid of picking up anymore. ...I mean viruses I could deal with. Strange laws that are not even understood fully by the people who pass them into effect are much scarier to me.

From what I understand, it doesn't really make a difference whether the person is sharer or sharee. Obviously, they want the providers most, but with the potential fines involved, they don't mind going after the little guy. They would be sadly surprised if they went after me though, because if they got every cents that I have, or will ever have, it wouldn't even pay the court costs.

That wouldn't make me feel any better about it, because I need every dollar I have to to just get by, and even if it didn't cost me a dime, I don't want anyone hassling me.

 

[Maguscreed]

Well, here's the one thing I said that is completely accurate
No one actually even understands copyright law anymore. It takes enormous corporate level companies to even begin to deal with it now.
There are so many clauses for parody, and satire
stuff concerning international law.

It is something I seriously doubt any one person on this planet has a comprehensive understanding of at this point in time.

The honest truth is it still stands as of now you will receive a notice telling you that you are accused of downloading or sharing 'What not to drink - the Socrates biography'
and they will generally give you a chance to just stop sharing it.
At which point most people do and that's the end of it.

 

[seekermeister]

That may be the way that it stands now, but as an army on the move, the law keeps going forward. Considering the extent to which this is at the outset, I suspect that it will be far worse soon.

 

[Maguscreed]

No one really seems to doubt that.
I was speaking only in reference to your concern about that website hit, and not really the 'bigger picture'

 

[XxBRADxX]

Will people not not gather at say StarBucks and find some way to share music through bluetooth or something similar and be under the radar?