American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12

[Maguscreed]

The media has used it's biased influence to keep the country split basically down the middle.
This is by design, not by accident, many people still hold to what their favorite networks tell them, even though they know full well it's all a bunch of nonsense. There is no significant difference between our political parties. They are both headed down the same path at this point. One wants to pay for the rich the other wants to pay for the poor, and they both seem completely ridiculous to me. Playing on people's bigotries and fears to maintain this deadlock.


Don't even get me started on how the media has had the results of the last 8 presidential elections before the votes had actually been counted.

One thing to consider is most the news channels stopped reporting the news many years ago. Now they are all editorial and opinion. Designed with the specific purpose of keeping us all at odds with each other until they have managed to erode away the last of our rights and freedoms. The whole time the media will just keep telling you the 'real issues'.

 

[seekermeister]

The problem goes far deeper than the news channels, it goes to the core values of everyone. One might say that these values are a product of misinformation, but it can also be said that the misinformation is a result of the values. It is kind of like asking which came first...the chicken or the egg? If one looks back to find where the root sprouted, they would have to be very, very far sighted. Yet, in the myopic view of the last century or so, the current miasma began breeding in the Hollywood's output of viral infestations.

Some might prefer to see the problems as unrelated distinct issues, but in reality they are all factions of an underlying malignancy which is within all people. Somewhat like most doctors, all we can do is to treat the symptoms, rather the the real illness (the prognosis is not good). I shall not go into that cause, because it would require treading where no forum members are allowed, but staying with the tempo of this thread, I will say that it shouldn't be too difficult to see a connection with Hollywood's attempts to "protect" their means of influence and profit to the actions or lack of action in the news media and politics.

 

[chev65]

The copyright spying enforcement isn't what bothers me so much, it's the fact that they now have the Permission TO SPY ON ALL OF US is what bothers me the most.

I mean where does this end?

The patriot act and government spying wasn't bad enough I suppose, now they are giving the power to our own ISP's to spy on us all....really?

I wonder how many more excuses they will make up in order to circumvent the privacy rights of the people which are supposed to be guaranteed by constitution.

Be careful, at the rate things are going that kind of talk will get you locked up.

Let them try, they can lock up the rest of country while they are at it. It will be a very crowded jail cell. :sarc:

 

[Boastree]

There is a simple solution. On Windows 7 it says Sut down. The grand kids are comming over...much better company.

 

[Maguscreed]

There is a simple solution. On Windows 7 it says Sut down. The grand kids are comming over...much better company.

Ignoring a nuclear bomb won't negate its effects upon you.

...as troublesome as we all know it to be, we may actually have to do something.

I feel there is one more thing I must stress.
There are no religious politicians, not a one.
No one with a true belief in god would commit such criminal acts with such disregard.

 

[SIW2]

@ Anak - delighted to see you quoting that.

Few people understand how important it is to stand up for others.

Even over the small things in life.

If you don't, then little by little, choice and freedom are eroded - by the time you realise- it is too late.

Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Socialists..."

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[FuturDreamz]

The problem goes far deeper than the news channels, it goes to the core values of everyone. One might say that these values are a product of misinformation, but it can also be said that the misinformation is a result of the values. It is kind of like asking which came first...the chicken or the egg? If one looks back to find where the root sprouted, they would have to be very, very far sighted. Yet, in the myopic view of the last century or so, the current miasma began breeding in the Hollywood's output of viral infestations.

Some might prefer to see the problems as unrelated distinct issues, but in reality they are all factions of an underlying malignancy which is within all people. Somewhat like most doctors, all we can do is to treat the symptoms, rather the the real illness (the prognosis is not good). I shall not go into that cause, because it would require treading where no forum members are allowed, but staying with the tempo of this thread, I will say that it shouldn't be too difficult to see a connection with Hollywood's attempts to "protect" their means of influence and profit to the actions or lack of action in the news media and politics.

I think it started with the World Wars propaganda.

 

[seekermeister]

That was a factor, but it started far before that.

 

[FuturDreamz]

hmm.

any general timeline? because that's the earliest I could think of.

 

[seekermeister]

The reason that you can't think of anything earlier, is because you aren't seeing things as I do. I have already said that I shall not delve too far into the big picture, but I will say that the beginning of all our problems today, go back to Adam and Eve.

 

[Maguscreed]

The reason that you can't think of anything earlier, is because you aren't seeing things as I do. I have already said that I shall not delve too far into the big picture, but I will say that the beginning of all our problems today, go back to Adam and Eve.

What do fictional characters have to do with anything?

 

[seekermeister]

Since you consider my statement to be fiction, why do you ask me what they have to do with anything? It seems obvious that you would consider my answer to be just as fictional.

 

[Maguscreed]

If you mean the actual persons of adam and eve yes.
If by chance you were using it as an alliteration to the earliest or first of our kind.
That I would be willing to entertain, since you have chosen religious doctrine, yes I'm afraid we'll have to part ways there. I have a belief in a god, but it has nothing to do with the wicked thing modern organized religion has become.

Nor with that silly book that was edited and put together by men far more interested in maintaining power and keeping their populations under control than 'the word of god'.

No if the word of god ever graced this earth, it's long been translated and debated out of existence.

That being said, no it doesn't seem like there was any point to my question.

 

[M1GU31]

yeah guys I think you really shouldn't discuss religion that is a very hot topic and everyone has their own belief system. Just saying so you guys don't get into a enormous argument. All it does is start up rants

 

[Maguscreed]

Fair enough that was everything I have to say on the subject. If he wishes to continue it, my pm box is open.

 

[FuturDreamz]

(rereads what he quoted)


Ah, now that I realize what you were getting at:
I suppose, back to the debatable origin of humanity, there has always been those that used whatever means possible to get there way. Back to the dark ages where someone with a sword will kill an unarmed man for his food.

But we are learning. We are learning that we are capable of becoming much better. However no individual can do it by himself, he has to be in an environment that promotes self improvement. And in this day and age that's somewhat in the media's control (that includes content creators, such as politicians). And when the media controls humanity's development, there has to be a means of controlling the media, to ensure what it does is somewhat in the best interest of the human race.

Unfortunately, I believe the means of controlling has to be in place before the media gains a tight grip on it's control.

 

[Maguscreed]

The very fact that I see people from all over the world in many languages, of varying, age groups, religious, and political affiliations are starting to come to terms with the beast the media has become. ...and while they may not all agree on the reasons, or a solution. They certainly agree on the enemy at hand.

This 'beast' I think it's days are numbered as the force it once was. It's already obviously being questioned far more than it has been at any time in recent memory.

I just hope the americans catch on before we wind up being the next nazi empire... already started singling out people based on race and religion as it is.

 

[FuturDreamz]

I almost want to place bets.

The media know what they can get away with, and are able to avoid anything that would cause them to get regulated. It's a feedback loop that could very well be indefinitely sustainable. Or something big could happen and it all collapses within a week.

I think only China is in a position to start changes (by weaponizing their US debt holdings, but it may hurt China itself)

 

[seekermeister]

Fair enough that was everything I have to say on the subject. If he wishes to continue it, my pm box is open.

It should have also been obvious, that I have no interest in extending our discussion along these lines, either via post or PM. It would profit neither of us.

 

[seekermeister]

(rereads what he quoted)


Ah, now that I realize what you were getting at:

Not exactly, but you are getting closer.

I suppose, back to the debatable origin of humanity, there has always been those that used whatever means possible to get there way. Back to the dark ages where someone with a sword will kill an unarmed man for his food.

People have always killed, used, abused others for a variety of reasons. It wasn't always because they were hungry or in need of something. It may have been due to fear, envy, jealousy, greed, etc. All of these emotions take root in the vacuum where love should reside.

But we are learning. We are learning that we are capable of becoming much better. However no individual can do it by himself, he has to be in an environment that promotes self improvement. And in this day and age that's somewhat in the media's control (that includes content creators, such as politicians). And when the media controls humanity's development, there has to be a means of controlling the media, to ensure what it does is somewhat in the best interest of the human race.

Unfortunately, I believe the means of controlling has to be in place before the media gains a tight grip on it's control.

Yes, we are learning, but what we are learning doesn't necessarily make us any better. Too often we just use the intelligence that comes from learning to devise new ways to take advantage of others.