Backing up my files?

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Hi,

I built my system with two hard drives one for my opperating system and a second separate drive for all my files. Both drives are 500GB and as the one used for the opperating system only uses a fraction of the space availiable what I want to do is to back up everything that is on main file drive into a single folder in the spare space on my opperating system drive. Is there an easy way to do this? Does windows have a feature for doing this or do I have to get some third party software? Is there any decent free stuff?

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I don't believe any backup software will backup to a location on the drive being backed up. Also doesn't make any sense to do so. If the drive dies, you lose the backup at the same time.

What I would do is partition the boot drive into 100GB for the OS and the rest to become a 2nd partition. Move all the data off the 2nd 500GB drive into the new, 2nd, partition, then use the 2nd 500GB drive for backup, and backup everything, the boot partition and the data partition (now all on the 1st 500GB drive).

This is a good site for finding free backup and partitioning software: Free Hard Disk Backup / Restore and Image / Cloning Utilities
 

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I don't believe any backup software will backup to a location on the drive being backed up. Also doesn't make any sense to do so. If the drive dies, you lose the backup at the same time.

What I would do is partition the boot drive into 100GB for the OS and the rest to become a 2nd partition. Move all the data off the 2nd 500GB drive into the new, 2nd, partition, then use the 2nd 500GB drive for backup, and backup everything, the boot partition and the data partition (now all on the 1st 500GB drive).

This is a good site for finding free backup and partitioning software: Free Hard Disk Backup / Restore and Image / Cloning Utilities

You may make a system image to ensure that your Windows,files at that point,
could be backup.

Personally,I have tried to restored my system from a system image,
which is very effective and time saving way to do.
 

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Thanks Ztruker and ccya,

I was never planning to back up to the same disk but I am going to try to create a partition on my primary disk and move my files there and then back the whole disk up.

I've forgotten how to partition a disk I've only done it a couple of times. Do I fist have to shrink the volume of my C drive and then create a new volume in the free space? In Disk Management I right click on the C drive and click shrink but then it tells me I can only shrink it to 253GB but really I want to shrink it to 100GB. Why isn't it letting me shrink more, I'm only using 48GB of the 465GB availiable?
 

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Forget Disk Management. Use one of the programs pointed to at the link I gave you like GParted LiveCD or Partition Logic.

Shrink C: as you said and create a new partition in the free space.
 

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Hey thanks for the information you gave me here a few months back. At the time it seemed like a bit of a daunting task to use some third party software to create a partition, but I have gotten my head around it now and done it with GParted and it worked great. Now I can move my files accross and create a disk image,

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Glad to hear it Duncan. Nice when thing work out.
 

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@Duncan

There are as many protocols as there are users; I found $0.02 so here is what I do.

First off, because you have a WD HDD, go here and DL the free WD version of Acronis True Image, an excellent imaging app. On HDD 0, create a small, OS-only primary partition. How small is small? I have a 100GB OS partition on which I have 250+ apps presently occupying 62GB of space. You be the judge for your anticipated needs. On that partition place ONLY the OS and everyday apps (e.g., utilities, browser, flash, Office, etc.). On the same HDD, create two more primary partitions, one for such things as MP3s, JPEGs, docs. The third partition you are going to use for storing image backups from HDD 1, but more on that later.

Do the same thing with the second HDD: create three primary partitions, two for stuff (maybe you divide your MP3s, docs, etc, between the two HDDs) one for games, and the third for image backups from HDD 0. Now if you want more than three partitions on the HDDs you will have to create logical/extended partitions.

Now the rationale. More than anyplace else, it is your OS partition that is going to become corrupt by malware, patches, tweaks, SW removal (of shared files), etc. Therefore, it is good practice to regularly and frequently create image backups of your OS partition. Do this religiously. Many people are content to place the image backups on the same HDD that is being backed up. That is fine - unless your HDD bricks upon which you will not only lose your OS but you will also lose your backups. Therefore, you place ALL (not just your OS) of your backups of HDD 0 on HDD 1. Why? The odds of both HDDs bricking at the same time is nil. Now, of course, 15 people will post telling you of the time when all of the HDDs in their machines went up in flames simultaneously. That ain't going to happen but I have you covered for that just in case. Later.

The small OS partition facilitates fast image backup creation. Mine take about 16 minutes. If you are regularly backing up a 3, 4, 500GB partition, you will doze off while waiting for it to complete. Secondly, this week, e.g., maybe you did not add any MP3s to your collection: why back those up again? In other words, if most of your stuff is on one or two large partitions, you are backing up everything again and again whether it needs to be or not. (I will defer discussions about incremental or differential backups). Therefore, you only have to back up the remaining partitions when changes to them are made. By dividing your data over two HDDs, that data is able to reside in small partitions. For example, as I have explained so far, you have six partitions: two contain saved image backups, one contains the OS, and the other three can be divided any way you like. And if you desire, as I said, you can create additional logical/extended partitions on each drive.

This protocol gives you two sets of complete data from each HDD on separate HDDs: you working copies and your image backups. To carry safety one step further, it is best to store crucial data on some external device. I do not do that for all of my data (because the odds of my entire machine going up in flames is nil, as I said. But I do store data that I think is extraordinary critical on USB flash drives; some people like external HDDs. I do not have the need to superprotect much data so a 30GB flash drive is fine for me. Besides, I have 3, 750GB internal HDDs and simply do not need any more storage space.

One more thing: unless you are a gambler, do not store critical data on optical media - because it degrades in time. You can always transfer data to new discs but apart from the nuisance, you may suffer read-write errors even though your burning app verified the integrity of the burn.

Gee, that all looks like $0.04 worth.

Monk
 

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Thanks Monk for your extensive reply!!

There is one little bit of what you said that I have a query about though. In the first paragraph you say... 'The third partition you are going to use for storing image backups from HDD 1, but more on that later.' ... I thought I was going to store all images on HDD 1?? HDD 1 is going to be images of the OS and my files and stuff so why would I store an image of an image in the thrid partition on HDD 0? Did you type this by accident?

Or do you mean that the configuration would be like so:

HDD 0 = partition 1 - OS; partition 2 - files; partition 3 - image of games;

HDD 1 = partition 1 - image of OS; partition 2 - image of files; partition 3 - games;

what do you think of me creating more partitions for my different types of files? I don't really play games tbh, but I was thinking of creating a partition for OS, a partition for work files (photoshop & illustrator documents and RAW image files), partion for personal files (music, videos, personal photographs etc) and a final partition for files related to my computer (component manuals, software installation packages and drivers installation files that I keep a copy of) so 4 partitions in total. How does that sound?

Thanks a lot for your help, my solution is going to be better for it!
 

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Here is another useful tool for backing up files from one place to another. Works great for a working directory where files are being added or deleted on an ongoing basis.

Download details: SyncToy 2.1

Jim :geek:
 

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@Duncan

Sorry if I was not clear.

HDD 0: partition 1: OS/what I call everyday apps; partition 2: sundry files; partition 3: any image backups from HDD 1.

HDD 1: partition 1: sundry files; partition 2: sundry files , e.g. games but any; partition 3: any image backups from HDD 0.

On either partition 3, I also put other stuff that does not require backups. In other words, partition 3 never needs to be backed up: that would be making copies of your copies and copies of stuff you do not need copies of for any reason. (For example, on my third partitions, I have a directories that I use to test software, directories where I place expanded ZIP files for installation. Copies of copies is what I called supercritical files that I put on flash drives.

In the end, you are backing up 4 partitions: OS and three files/games partitions. Again, if you wish to further divide your storage into smaller partitions (v. more directories on the primary partitions) then you have to create extended/logical partitions beyond three primary partitions).

You can apply any reasoning to your protocol to suit your needs/preferences. For example, I isolate and install games on a separate partition on my HDD 2. Why? They don't change except for saved-game files and patches. When I patch, I make a new image file; when I save a game, I place the saved-game files of all of my games in a "Saved Games" directory on HDD 1 in a partition that I regularly backup. But the 157GB of games that I presently have installed do not have to be backed up every week because they didn't change so one backup is enough.

Which reminds me, if you have an app that will not allow you to place data files in alternative locations, in order to restore all of your data, make copies of stuff you added since the previous backup, in addition to creating an image backup of that app's partition. Examples: I backed up my OS two days ago and today it's funky so I am going to restore my image backup. Before I do that, however, I remember that I placed some docs on the DT: I copy those docs to another HDD backup partition in a separate backup directory. Once the restore is finished, I go to the backup directory and retrieve my docs. I do the same for FF profile, IE favorites, Outlook *.pst file.

Finally, I do complete image backups every week on all my partitions (except, as I mentioned, the backup partitions). As such it is easier/quicker for me to back up four additional areas (DT, FF, IE, Outlook as above) rather than create incremental or differential backups between full backups. It is easier because I am only dealing with the addition of four small files; it is quicker because the copy operation is quicker than the backup; most importantly, it is much quicker because restore operations take a bit of time: to have to restore a full image files plus 1, 2, 3, or more incremental/differential files takes forever.

Let me also clarify my presumptive statement about the number/type of partitions on a HDD (I assume you will research the pros/cons/uses of primary, extended, and logical partitions as needed).

A HDD must have one primary (active) OS partition. After that it can have three more primary partitions. Now, if you want more than four partitions on a HDD, you have to create at least one extended partition (on which you place any number of logical partitions), i.e., three primary and one extended - or one primary, one extended, and multiple logicals (created on the extended). So, yes, your idea of creating more partitions (v. directories) is great. Again, read about the differences between primary, extended, and logical partitions if needed (what you can/cannot do with them) and the different opinions regarding the best use of each type.

One other thing, put your OS on one HDD and your page file on the other (on any partition since it does not have to be backed up - or at least I don't). Why? If the OS and page file are on the same HDD, you experience increased seek-times since one set of heads is doing all of the work. If on separate HDDs they respond independently of each other.

Please post back if I have further confused the issue.

Monk
 

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