Brain Ache - BSOD problems, 2 gfx cards one new + totaly new rig

[nbkp]

You will most likely require a new PSU. Cheap PSUs are a BIG no, as they will be un-reliable, and may cause damage.

If you do not want to spend too much money on a PSU, here is a good high quality PSU that should do fine with your system: OCZ 700W ModXStream Pro Power Supply - UK Power supply units

 

[thomas242]

HI I just looked up your system on a PSU calculator and your dell with all your stuff in it and that video card will use around 648w of power. The way i see it your problem is power you are right at the top end of your psu power rating. I recommend you going and getting a new psu 800w or higher will fix the problem. From personal experience when I build a rig for a friend or myself I allays make sure to get a psu that's a higher wattage. If you need a 648w psu you do not go out and buy a 650. You go out and get your self some thing that exceeds they power needs of your computer under load as well. I say go with an 850w or higher psu that way you have more then enough power for any thing you mightlike to add later on hard drive, blue ray player or another video card. But for a 2nd video card I say go with 1200w psu thees newer cards eat up a lot of power
just found a better Power Supply Calculatorthen then the one i used this one has a lot of options
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/Power

 

[Kloral]

OK so my computer has been in the shop for 10 days now and getting it back tomorrow. The guy said he has changed the memory times and its working but i am skeptical since he hasent tested it in games. Do you guys think this will indeed fix it cause its one hell of an effort for me to take it back?

 

[TVeblen]

If anyone were taking wagers my bet would be on the power supply.
Guess you will see tomorrow.

 

[neo101]

Three weeks ago i put together this system

OK so my computer has been in the shop for 10 days now and getting it back tomorrow. The guy said he has changed

I'm confused!

 

[Kloral]

Three weeks ago i put together this system

OK so my computer has been in the shop for 10 days now and getting it back tomorrow. The guy said he has changed

I'm confused!

Check the dates of those posts mate. I told him what i wanted and he ordered the parts since he gets next day delivery and a cheaper price + if a problem such as this arises i don't have to deal with sending them back separately he does it for me.



Also after going back today and spending 2 hours testing it with him he has ordered in a new motherboard. We tried different power pack, he had tested the RAM same as i did and found it fine and considering i have used two different GPU that wasn't the problem. So if this new motherboard does not work then the only other thing he could think of was trying a different brand of RAM or trying a different Hard drive.

Hopefully the new motherboard will fix it, going to try a Asus motherboard this time rather than asrock. I will post back how it goes on Thursday when i go back.

 

[neo101]

Good for you - but 10 days wait in shop?

Did you try to see if there were posted problems with the motherboard could have just needed a newer bios update otherwise.

 

[Kloral]

Why are you being cheeky to me i didn't say anything wrong to you, mate. BIOS update was the very latest 2.20 from asrock site. It took 10 days in the shop cause the guy's wife had a baby.

 

[TVeblen]

You've got a sweet deal. It's good to have someone to talk to while dealing with these kinds of issues, otherwise you spend a awful lot of time mumbling to yourself. And the shop has probably saved you 50 pounds in shipping costs by this point!

Good luck. It must be very frustrating for the both of you.

(Good thing no one took me up on my wager!)

 

[neo101]

Why are you being cheeky to me i didn't say anything wrong to you, mate. BIOS update was the very latest 2.20 from asrock site. It took 10 days in the shop cause the guy's wife had a baby.

LOL - you're the one taking things the wrong way!
Congrats to your mate!

And a happy Asus to you!

 

[Kloral]

STILL DOES NOT WORK
:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

I have tried:

Two different PSU, 650 and 750w.
Two different GPU, Nvidia 9800 GTX+ and HD radeaon 5770.
Two different motherboards, ASrock H55M-PRO and Asus P7H66-M.
All the different drivers for GPU + BIOS for both motherboards.
Checked the RAM sticks individualy one at a time.
Temps are fine understress + idle.
Changing memory timings and voltages

Things left to try before i go kill myself:

Memory timings and voltages, yes more and more different combanations.
New hard drive.
Different brand of RAM.
CAKE?

 

[neo101]

Will you tell everybody if your problem only occurs when playing the original game mentioned - pleeze.

There are cases where duff wiring in the case can cause problems.
Was the case new - which model/serial?

 

[Tepid]

Ok i just completed 2:30 running memtest. It completeled two cycles in which it passed both with no errors. I am unable to leave it running over night as the computer is in the bedroom and GF dosent want it on haha.

Supose this rules out memory errors then?

It is very highly advisable to run Memory Tests for no less than 6 Hours.
You can not get an accurate testing by running a couple of passes.
Even some seasoned techs don't realize this. They should.

With 8G of ram, you should be running Memory Tests for at minimum 6 to 8 hours.
If you (and you should) run the extended tests. There are long tests that run in the background that will show other errors only in a long term testing run. These will be intermittent errors that may be missed by short tests.

The only time you can really get away with a 1 or 2 pass run, is when you get errors.
If you get errors right away, then you definately have bad ram, and you can start testing individual stick in individual slots to test both sticks and slots on the motherboard. You will find the bad stick or slot within a pass or 2.

You should also test with all memory installed first. Let that go for as long as needed to do a full thorough test. At minimum 6 hours. If one pass takes 1 hour, then this is 6 passes, you really want to get in about 7 to 10+ passes.

There is a caveat, Some testers, if you let a Memory Test run too long, it can give false errors.
Memtest86+ can do this, not always, but sometimes. How do you determine a false error?
Run the tests again with a different tester, then test again with the other.
If one is giving errors and the other isn't, then either, you have bad ram, or are getting false errors.
I know this sounds confusing, but it's really not. On really tricky RAM or Slot problems, there is a bit of art and guessing involved.
But usually it is a straight forward "Am I getting errors on either test?" Yes? "More than likely I have bad memory or a bad slot."
False errors do occur more often than they should. But they are not a rampant issue.

I have come to rely more on Windows Memory Diags, but it is not a bad idea to run full extended tests using both.

Once you have thoroughly tested with 2 testers and for long periods of time, can you actually say, your RAM is good.

 

[Kloral]

Hey guys, thanks for responding and i will make sure to run memtest again if the guy hasent got it working via changing the memory timings and voltages when i go today. Do you know another memory tester other than memtest mate? Thanks!

Also here is my case mate it is a new one i got when i sorted out this new rig.

Newegg.com - IN WIN Griffin (Black) Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Thanks again guys for your replays.

 

[Kloral]

Found out the problem, i think. Both the motherboards had compatibility problems with the type of RAM i was using according to the official sites for them. So the RAM is being replaced and i shall find out tue-wed if this fixes it or not. I shall post my findings!

 

[TVeblen]

Which is why it is always safest to pick only RAM that is listed on the motherboard manufacturer's compatibility list.

 

[Tepid]

Windows Memory Diagnostic

Which is also a part of Windows and can be run following this Tutorial

Also,, as stated in my earlier post. This is a quote from the first link in this post from Microsoft...

If you want to test your RAM more completely, you can run the extended test suite by pressing T while Windows Memory Diagnostic is running. You should then let Windows Memory Diagnostic run overnight. If you change the test suite or any of Windows Memory Diagnostic settings, the test pass will restart from the beginning.

And yes, compatibility is always something to consider when building a new system.