Solved Building a new computer, help/info needed!

Please allow me to push cowardice aside and address the following:

Two Cables you just have a way with words, don't you?:confused: Apparently you do know more than everyone else
I know I will step on Gary's toes here, and that is not my intention at all. In fact, he has done much to help me and I trust his judgment.

With that said, and it is not a disclaimer but an honest statement, let me go on to add that when TwoCables gives advice, you can assume that is well researched and well thought-out. That's just how his mind works. He does not BS and he does not blow smoke, and unlike most young people nowadays his thinking is not slap happy.

TwoCables can, however, be mind-numbingly intransigent when he believes in something. I happen, as my post indicates, disagree strongly with his "less is more" argument with PSU wattage. Like TC, I also do my homework. So there are times when we disagree philosophically on a subject - as we do now with PSU's.

But never, ever do I lose my temper with him. This is not Toms Hardware, for crying out loud (read some of the inhuman, nasty as hell retorts on that trash forum if you don't know what I'm talking about). This is a classy forum, as is OCN and with lots of really smart and kind-hearted people.

More simply put,

Let's all be friends.

 

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The problem wasn't that what he was saying was wrong, it was technically sound with data to back it up. The problem was we were giving the OP some sound suggestions and he was trying to not only flaunt his knowledge, but indicate that we didn't know what we were talking about. I suggested the high end SeaSonic and Corsair PSU's for the OP's new build, and I didn't need charts and posts from another forum to back it up. Everybody knows those are great PSU's, and I personally own one and I can attest to the build quality. If the OP wanted to know mathematically the bare minimum he could get by with, his posts would have been golden..........he didn't though.

I don't harbor any grudge towards him because like it or not, he did his homework and I can respect that. In fact, I saw another thread where he offered some great advice and I thought I may have been a little edgy with him in this thread.........but I got over that. The important thing is, the OP got a good tutorial in PSU's and some good recommendations....it's all good in the hood.

Kelly
 

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PC/Desktop
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Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
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Asus Sabertooth Z77
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Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
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EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
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Onboard Audio
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Dell S2309W
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1920x1080
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Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
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Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
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Mionix Naos 7000
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50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
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Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
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Chrome/Firefox
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Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
Hmm.. no mention of a CX430 V3? It's what I have.

Don't worry about it Wrenches I have all Corsairs and I wouldn't have anything else mate I just saw in the Corsair forum site the V2 is no longer in production and so the V3 is probably the next "edition" of it along.
Personally I would have gone another $20 and got the CX 500 modular but I don't know what the prices are in your part of the world :D

Just found this if you could go the extra $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028
 

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Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
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Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
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Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
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Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
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Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
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Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
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Toshiba 120GB EVO
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Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
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Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
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I actually like these type of threads, as long as they don't get out of hand. I think the subject was very well discussed and many people probably learned a lot from it. The OP certainly got his money's worth of info and can make an intelligent buying decision. Kelly's right, Twocables was correct in that he could run that rig on 450-500W. But, I would rather have too much than not enough. I could probably run mine on the same, but me and my AX850 tells you how I feel on the subject. If I decide I want to add another card, I don't have to upgrade my PSU too. And, I'm subject to do something like that. Personally, I enjoyed the thread and hope to see more like it.
 

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    Windows 11 ProRyzen 9 5900X32GB G Skill DDR4-3600EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    Asus X570 Crosshair Viii Hero
    Memory
    32GB G Skill DDR4-3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    On Board/Sennheiser PC37X Headset
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    3 X Asus 27"
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    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2 X 1 TB NVME drives
    PSU
    EVGA 850
    Case
    Phanteks Eclipse P400A
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    EVGA 280 AIO
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    Logitech G510s/ Logitech G13
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    Logitech G502
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    Dell 16 Plus
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    Windows 11 Pro
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    Intel Ultra 9 288V
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    32 GB LPDDR5X 8533
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    16" Mini-LED HDR600 Touch 90 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2560X1600
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME
I got mine for $45 from Newegg.
 

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Home Built
OS
Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
CPU
Intel i3-2105
Motherboard
Gigabyte B75M-HD3
Memory
Two 4gig Corsair Vengeance Blue
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670
Sound Card
Soundblaster Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
AOC LM742
Screen Resolution
1280 x 1024
Hard Drives
Seagate Constellation 1TB
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520 Bronze
Case
Xigmatek Gigas cube
Cooling
Intel stock
Hmm.. no mention of a CX430 V3? It's what I have.

The author of the article that was taken from is an exceptionally busy person right now. :/


The problem wasn't that what he was saying was wrong, it was technically sound with data to back it up. The problem was we were giving the OP some sound suggestions and he was trying to not only flaunt his knowledge

I'm going to stop you right there because I'm insulted. I am not flaunting my knowledge! I never do that and I never will. I feel that that's what immature people do, so that's why I'm insulted. All I was doing was trying to help Drops, and I was also simultaneously having to continually post proof for everyone who didn't like what I posted (I think I had to defend every post I made). I do not help others in order to impress people because I know that it's not about me; its about them. I help others because they need help. When there are facts to post, I post them. If I recognize that I'm not being taken seriously like what happened here in this thread, I put more effort into it and I stop sugar-coating it. When I feel that no one is listening, I persist until someone finally recognized that maybe I do know what I'm talking about. If that counts as flaunting my knowledge, then maybe I should stop coming to SevenForums because this is how I am on Overclock.net and there isn't one single person who has ever expressed a problem with the way I help others and with the way I post information. I get nothing but appreciation and gratitude over there. I'm just stating how it is; I'm not bragging or anything immature like that. When you get to know me, you'll find that I put everyone else first.

To be honest, I feel like I'm getting this kind of response on here because I'm a new member. I came here because I was told that this place is superior to Overclock.net in the respect that the people here are far more professional and friendly. I did not expect to be received like this just because I am new here. I had hoped that I would never be judged by my join date. At least, I hope that's not what's happening here. I would just like to be treated as an equal.

I apologize that I persisted, but you tend to do that when you know what you're talking about but no one is listening and instead even acting like you don't really know what you're talking about.


but indicate that we didn't know what we were talking about.

I kinda lost my patience after I recognized no one was taking me seriously. Can you blame me after making all those posts and not having anyone say things like, "I didn't know that. Thank you"? This is why I think I'm being judged by my join date here on the forums. I mean instead, it seems like it didn't matter what I posted, the only kind of response I feel I received is closer to the likes if, "Sit down, kid. You don't know what you're talking about" I know that no one said this. I'm just saying that this is kind of how I feel about the responses I received.


I suggested the high end SeaSonic and Corsair PSU's for the OP's new build, and I didn't need charts and posts from another forum to back it up. Everybody knows those are great PSU's, and I personally own one and I can attest to the build quality. If the OP wanted to know mathematically the bare minimum he could get by with, his posts would have been golden..........he didn't though.

I am not recommending the bare minimum; I'm recommending the sweet spot. I'm I made that clear many times already. This is what makes me angry: no one is listening to me because I'm new! Does being new mean that I also don't know what I'm talking about? What do I have to do in order to be taken seriously? Do I have to have a giant well-made image in my signature and a bunch of fancy badges in my postbit? Do I have to have fancy formatting in my posts? Do I have to invite friends from Overclock.net to back me up?

Anyway, again, I am not suggesting the bare minimum., but the sweet spot.


I don't harbor any grudge towards him because like it or not, he did his homework and I can respect that. In fact, I saw another thread where he offered some great advice and I thought I may have been a little edgy with him in this thread.........but I got over that. The important thing is, the OP got a good tutorial in PSU's and some good recommendations....it's all good in the hood.

Kelly

I don't know how this is going to sound, but I don't care at this point: I have spent over 4 years on Overclock.net, over 18+ hours per day (ever day) during that entire time. For some reason, I spent the majority of my time obsessing over power supplies; I just kind of fell into it. Today, I focus mainly on PSU-related threads. There are at least a half a dozen true PSU experts over there who I've learned from. I've also learned from experience and also by posting a ton of incorrect information because they have corrected me each time. When I'm corrected, I remain corrected. Thanks to them, I no longer post incorrect PSU-related information. I feel responsible for the advice I give, and so I don't mess around.

If you want to look me up, then here's my account link:

http://www.overclock.net/u/78996/twocables

I am not saying that I am a PSU expert. On the contrary, I look like a beginner in comparison to the real PSU experts on Overclock.net. I'm just hoping to be taken seriously from now on when I talk about PSUs. I will never B.S. anyone. I will never allow myself to post bad advice or incorrect information. I will never allow myself to recommend anything that would put the person I'm helping at risk in the future. If I'm not 100% sure about something, then I will tell you. If I am stating something with confidence, then it's 100% fact (unless I clearly state that it's either a guess or my opinion). So when I told Drops that all he needs is a 400-450W power supply if he will never have more than one video card, I mean it! That's not the bare minimum! That's the sweet spot and it will continue to be the sweet spot for a long time to come. Then with each new generation of CPUs and GPUs, this 450W recommendation becomes more and more overkill. If someone wants to challenge this information, then I'll post the proof again which has been ignored so far.


I actually like these type of threads, as long as they don't get out of hand. I think the subject was very well discussed and many people probably learned a lot from it. The OP certainly got his money's worth of info and can make an intelligent buying decision. Kelly's right, Twocables was correct in that he could run that rig on 450-500W. But, I would rather have too much than not enough. I could probably run mine on the same, but me and my AX850 tells you how I feel on the subject. If I decide I want to add another card, I don't have to upgrade my PSU too. And, I'm subject to do something like that. Personally, I enjoyed the thread and hope to see more like it.

My recommendation is the sweet spot, not a bare minimum or anything close to it. I know how dumb it would be to recommend the bare minimum.

You could have two GTX 670s on a quality-made 550W power supply and it would never break a sweat. You could have two GTX 680s on a quality-made 650W power supply, and again, it would never even break a sweat. These are not the bare minimums: these are the sweet spots. Your AX850 has enough power to have four GTX 670s! You could even have four GTX 680s if you don't overclock anything.

Your actual gaming load right now with one GTX 670 is at about 250-300W. With two GTX 670s, your gaming load would never exceed 375-450W. So a better fit for your system would be a quality-made 550-650W power supply. This would also maximize your average PSU efficiency. Right now you're getting about 80+ Bronze because of the tiny load on it. Your average load when you're not gaming is closer to about 100-125W. Right now while I'm typing this up, my system is only pulling about 65-70W. These days, I only use my computer for internet and e-mail and this means I could (and probably should) be using a 350W power supply with no problems whatsoever.


To everyone: I apologize for everything. I can only hope for your forgiveness and understanding.
 

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I honestly didn't notice your join date until I read your last post. I didn't notice your Rep level, post count or anything....except from where you are from. I joined this forum a few years ago and didn't say a word until fairly recently.....I don't put much stock in forum/user statistics. Feel what you want about how you are being treated, but I don't think you have to prove anything, just as I don't. I know what I'm talking about most of the time or I wouldn't post in a thread......hence why being called an amateur who thinks I'm an expert pissed me off. It's derogatory anyway you read it, and maybe THAT is why you feel the way you feel. I made a suggestion of 2 VERY popular power supplies that have all the right features at a great price, with a great warranty and you wanting to argue about that makes no sense.

Be insulted all you want buddy, you see it as "having to back up your posts" and others see it as flaunting what you've read and studied about the subject. Nobody said you were wrong.......get over it. I didn't have to do anymore research on the units I recommended as I've already done the legwork before I bought mine. When someone wants a PSU in the "sweet spot" I will refer them to you.....when they just want a recommendation, well I'll give them my recommendation.
 

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Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHzCorsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-...EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
I honestly didn't notice your join date until I read your last post. I didn't notice your Rep level, post count or anything....except from where you are from. I joined this forum a few years ago and didn't say a word until fairly recently.....I don't put much stock in forum/user statistics. Feel what you want about how you are being treated, but I don't think you have to prove anything, just as I don't. I know what I'm talking about most of the time or I wouldn't post in a thread......hence why being called an amateur who thinks I'm an expert pissed me off. It's derogatory anyway you read it, and maybe THAT is why you feel the way you feel. I made a suggestion of 2 VERY popular power supplies that have all the right features at a great price, with a great warranty and you wanting to argue about that makes no sense.

I was not talking about anyone when I said that. What I said was that the experts I learned from on Overclock.net are not amateurs who think that they are experts. They are real experts. I'm trying to find various ways to qualify what I'm saying, to prove that I'm not just trying to impress people. There is nothing more to it than that, so please stop being insulted because it had nothing to do with anyone anywhere. I wasn't calling anyone "amateurs who think they're experts".

When you get to know me, you'll find that I never stoop to such levels.


Be insulted all you want buddy, you see it as "having to back up your posts" and others see it as flaunting what you've read and studied about the subject. Nobody said you were wrong.......get over it. I didn't have to do anymore research on the units I recommended as I've already done the legwork before I bought mine. When someone wants a PSU in the "sweet spot" I will refer them to you.....when they just want a recommendation, well I'll give them my recommendation.

Please stand down. This is a huge misunderstanding.

Those who see this as me flaunting my knowledge are dead wrong. I do not do immature things like that.
 

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Twocables, as far as I am concerned you have nothing to apologize for. I learned a lot from the thread I would not have known if you hadn't been here. I am quite aware you know what you are talking about and don't believe I said otherwise. If I did, I apologize. I still say I think it was, at least mostly, a good discussion and the OP has all the information he needs to make an intelligent buying decision. That is what he was asking for, isn't it? As far as I'm concerned, you are welcome on any thread I'm posting in. I knew when I bought the 850 it was overkill. But, I tend to always do that. The board, Ram and CPU are overkill for what I do also. I'm just that way and probably always will be. No need to apologize and I hope to see you on many threads here.
 

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    Windows 11 ProRyzen 9 5900X32GB G Skill DDR4-3600EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    Asus X570 Crosshair Viii Hero
    Memory
    32GB G Skill DDR4-3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    On Board/Sennheiser PC37X Headset
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 X Asus 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2 X 1 TB NVME drives
    PSU
    EVGA 850
    Case
    Phanteks Eclipse P400A
    Cooling
    EVGA 280 AIO
    Keyboard
    Logitech G510s/ Logitech G13
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    24/1
    Antivirus
    ESET/MBAM Pro/SAS Pro
    Browser
    Chrome/ Firefox/ Edge
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    Windows 11 ProIntel Ultra 9 288V32 GB LPDDR5X 8533
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell 16 Plus
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 9 288V
    Memory
    32 GB LPDDR5X 8533
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" Mini-LED HDR600 Touch 90 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2560X1600
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME
Twocables, as far as I am concerned you have nothing to apologize for. I learned a lot from the thread I would not have known if you hadn't been here. I am quite aware you know what you are talking about and don't believe I said otherwise. If I did, I apologize. I still say I think it was, at least mostly, a good discussion and the OP has all the information he needs to make an intelligent buying decision. That is what he was asking for, isn't it? As far as I'm concerned, you are welcome on any thread I'm posting in. I knew when I bought the 850 it was overkill. But, I tend to always do that. The board, Ram and CPU are overkill for what I do also. I'm just that way and probably always will be. No need to apologize and I hope to see you on many threads here.

Thank you, essenbe. I really appreciate it.
 

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Incurablegeek, I wasn't saying that WD drives are bad but I did say that they were popular. What I said was that there was a run of bad drives in recent weeks in the reviews and that now wasn't a good time to buy 'em so I bought the Seagate Constellation.

My old drive is a WD green 500gig and it's 4 years old, still working. :)
 

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Windows 7 x64 Home PremiumIntel i3-2105Two 4gig Corsair Vengeance BlueSapphire Radeon HD 6670
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built
OS
Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
CPU
Intel i3-2105
Motherboard
Gigabyte B75M-HD3
Memory
Two 4gig Corsair Vengeance Blue
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670
Sound Card
Soundblaster Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
AOC LM742
Screen Resolution
1280 x 1024
Hard Drives
Seagate Constellation 1TB
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520 Bronze
Case
Xigmatek Gigas cube
Cooling
Intel stock
I personally like Seagates and currently have 4 running on different rigs. Since 1999 I've had 2 HDD failures, both were WDs. That does not make them bad at all though. I would stay away from any "green" or other low power ones, some turn themselves off after a period of being idle.

Now, for Two Cables. Your info was correct, I just though that if a guy want to spend $300 for a 1000W PSU, why keep trying to talk him out of it? All the spec in the world wouldn't keep me from doing if I had the money to do so. In other words, and I'm not trying to minimize your knowledge or experience, when someone asks you what time it is, don't tell them how to build a clock.
I apologize for being hard on you.
We can use some good help in the OCing area. ;)
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built Desktop By DataTech
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
CPU
Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Memory
16GB G.Skill Sniper 1866MHz @ 2133MHz 2x8GB
Graphics Card(s)
ASUS GTX650TIB-DC2OC-2GD5, (650TI Boost)
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek 5-1
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung P2570HD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD for OS, 500GB Seagate Constellation (Enterprise drive) for Data
PSU
Corsair HX650W
Case
Inwin Dragon Rider
Cooling
Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM
Keyboard
E-Z Eyes, bright yellow keys with large characters
Mouse
steelseries SENSEI Laser Pro Gaming
Internet Speed
48-51Mbs Mbs down, 11 Mbs up Xfinity Cable
Antivirus
Norton Internet Security 2013
Browser
IE 10, Opera, Pale Moon if needed
Other Info
4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power supply, 1.21 gigawatts.
What I said was that there was a run of bad drives in recent weeks in the reviews and that now wasn't a good time to buy 'em so I bought the Seagate Constellation.
That's more than likely very true. Nowadays, what's the best varies too much to set any absolutes. From my experience, though, (25 TB in house) WD is bullet proof. In the 90's I only bought IBM, if and only if they were made in Thailand. Those from the eastern Europe factory (which IBM eventually closed) were only useful as frisbies.

I stand with most of you on the PSU. Kind of like Tim Allen "More Power". You would never catch me putting a "bare minimum" in one of my rigs (4). I don't want impotent PSU's going out or frying my motherboard. 650 is as low as I would ever go - and then it would be on a wing and a prayer.

Also, you need to factor in the obvious: The only bigger liars than politicians are power supply manufacturers with the dodgy ratings.

Sorry, then, TC. You are my good friend. But you are wrong.

Oops! Did I say that?? :huh:
 

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Bye, everyone. It was fun.
Sarcasm noted.

I certainly hope it was sarcasm. We need people with Twocable's knowledge here. He is probably right about my rig. I could run 2 of my rigs from this power supply. But, I upgrade and do new builds so often, in the past 5 years I have had probably 2 650W, 2 750W, I have a 750 now and now an 850. I am tired of buying power supplys. So, if it is twice as much as I need, that is exactly what I wanted. But, yes it is overkill. Being OCD has it's price. at any rate, I enjoyed the thread and learned a lot. That's why most of us came here, and most assuredly why the OP came here. He got his money's worth too. I enjoyed the thread and hope Twocables will join in more threads with me.
 

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  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProRyzen 9 5900X32GB G Skill DDR4-3600EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    ALWAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    Ryzen 9 5900X
    Motherboard
    Asus X570 Crosshair Viii Hero
    Memory
    32GB G Skill DDR4-3600
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
    Sound Card
    On Board/Sennheiser PC37X Headset
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 X Asus 27"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440
    Hard Drives
    2 X 1 TB NVME drives
    PSU
    EVGA 850
    Case
    Phanteks Eclipse P400A
    Cooling
    EVGA 280 AIO
    Keyboard
    Logitech G510s/ Logitech G13
    Mouse
    Logitech G502
    Internet Speed
    24/1
    Antivirus
    ESET/MBAM Pro/SAS Pro
    Browser
    Chrome/ Firefox/ Edge
  • At a glance

    Windows 11 ProIntel Ultra 9 288V32 GB LPDDR5X 8533
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell 16 Plus
    OS
    Windows 11 Pro
    CPU
    Intel Ultra 9 288V
    Memory
    32 GB LPDDR5X 8533
    Monitor(s) Displays
    16" Mini-LED HDR600 Touch 90 Hz
    Screen Resolution
    2560X1600
    Hard Drives
    1 TB NVME
Bye, everyone. It was fun.
Sarcasm noted.

I certainly hope it was sarcasm. We need people with Twocable's knowledge here. He is probably right about my rig. I could run 2 of my rigs from this power supply. But, I upgrade and do new builds so often, in the past 5 years I have had probably 2 650W, 2 750W, I have a 750 now and now an 850. I am tired of buying power supplys. So, if it is twice as much as I need, that is exactly what I wanted. But, yes it is overkill. Being OCD has it's price. at any rate, I enjoyed the thread and learned a lot. That's why most of us came here, and most assuredly why the OP came here. He got his money's worth too. I enjoyed the thread and hope Twocables will join in more threads with me.

Beside the fact that it is overkill, which you are aware of, and I am aware that mine is as well, we did our homework and purchased a power supply capable of handling almost anything we could throw at it, AND one that is very efficient, is fully modular and has very high quality, clean cabling. In my specific case, the Seasonic X750 Gold was on sale and quite a bit cheaper than the X650 model, which is why I went with it. There are so many variables involved in making a purchase that the decision is never cut-and-dried. Sales/Rebates, availability, cosmetics, returning customer, etc........they all have an effect on what PSU you buy, and the wattage is almost a non-issue anymore because of what TwoCables said, the PC is requiring less and less power, and good PSU's are becoming more and more efficient.

I never doubted the mans knowledge, and apparently I took some things the wrong way, but I felt I gave solid recommendations without having to obsess over it and was being told I was wrong.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHzCorsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-...EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Built
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5-3570K @ 4.5GHz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z77
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4) @1866MHz CL 9-9-9-24 1T
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW
Sound Card
Onboard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell S2309W
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 830 128GB SSD - OS
(4) Seagate 5TB HDD
(1) Seagate 2TB HDD
PSU
Seasonic X750 80+ Gold Full Modular
Case
Antec Eleven Hundred Super Mid Tower
Cooling
Intel Liquid Cooler
Keyboard
Max Nighthawk X8 Mechanical keyboard
Mouse
Mionix Naos 7000
Internet Speed
50 Mbps Down / 10 Mbps Up
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Browser
Chrome/Firefox
Other Info
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1's
Asus RT-N66R Wireless Router
It's a pity this thread went south a bit cos like the discussion and for what it is worth I think that there is too much emphasis put on efficiency and not enough on the quality of the build.

It's a bit like comparing two medium sized cars - both might be as efficient as each other but there might be vast differences in the quality of the build to the detriment of endurance and longevity.

Same goes for PSU's or anything for that matter as far as I am concerned you get what you pay for.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap A...Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i...Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop...Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
Now it's my turn to fess up a bit here too.

Regarding PSU,

1) TwoCables is correct if you wish to build a bare-bones system - and not plan for future expansion or use as a game or serious work computer. To tell the truth, I purchased two Corsair 430 watt PSU's to build two computers to sell on eBay. I was building bare-bones systems and they were adequate for that purpose.

2) Everyone else is right about Bigger is Better, however.
the Seasonic X750 Gold was on sale
Super good decision. The difference between Gold and Platinum is largely price, especially with an honest manufacturer with honest specs like Seasonic. I have all Seasonic 850's (Ha, mine's bigger than yours. :D ) and I spent about 100 hours reading PSU reviews and specs.

Although I am not a gamer, I do carry about 10 TB average in each of my computers and enough big screen monitors to light up Times Square. Also, I don't like generating horsepower at high rpm. I don't want my power supplies to be "stressed".

Now about TwoCables. As many of you know, I introduced TC to this group. The only two groups I am seriously active in are SevenForums and Overclock.net where I met TC and have known him for a few years now.

I stand behind my recommendation of TwoCables. In all the time that I have known him, he has never blown smoke or sought to get his ego stroked with braggadocio. His information is always well-presented and well-researched. If he does not know something, he will (rather bluntly I'm afraid) just tell you he does not know.

You members have my word also that I will never knowingly deceive you with information that I know to be invalid. Nor will I ever abandon a friend.

Oh yeh, the two Corsair 430's I purchased were both dead out of the box (but I shall say no more. I think that would be called "Beating a Dead Corsair".)

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Btw ICit2lol, I find your name to be both annoying and frustrating. I keep reading it as ichthyology.
Yeh, I guess that's kind of a weird observation. :geek:
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7-64
OS
Win 7-64
Funny, I see it as "I see it too lol" :)

I hope I did good buying the Corsair CX430 but since it's a third generation I figured the issues were fixed. I hope so. It's been about three months so far and seems to be doing good but then, the demands on it are pretty light. So far I think it's just cruisin'.

My system:

Intel i3-2105
Asrock H61M-DGS
2x4gig Corsair Vegeance dual set
1TB Seagate Constellation
Asus DVD-RW

Using onboard sound and in-chip graphics. I guess that's not much demand on the PSU. I have no idea how to compute the wattage.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 x64 Home PremiumIntel i3-2105Two 4gig Corsair Vengeance BlueSapphire Radeon HD 6670
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built
OS
Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
CPU
Intel i3-2105
Motherboard
Gigabyte B75M-HD3
Memory
Two 4gig Corsair Vengeance Blue
Graphics Card(s)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670
Sound Card
Soundblaster Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
AOC LM742
Screen Resolution
1280 x 1024
Hard Drives
Seagate Constellation 1TB
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520 Bronze
Case
Xigmatek Gigas cube
Cooling
Intel stock
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