Cannot disable IP Routing in Win 7

[kyooooo]

Hi Ladies/Gentlemen,

Totally new to this.

I have just joined this forum yesterday as I've come to the end of my wits.

I'm trying to work out why I cannot network this HP laptop win 7 Ultimate, to win XP desktop.
My daughters HP win 7 Home Premium laptop connected fine to the workgroup I have setup at home. I can see it from xp machine and vica versa.

I have just upgraded my HP laptop to win7 ultimate.
connects to Belkin wireless router.
XP desktop connects to Belkin wireless router (also has Ethernet cable connected to Belkin router). The eth cable takes precedence and works fine, as I will explain later.

I can see my three machines in win xp desktop,
1 XP desktop (XP-D)
2 HP laptop win 7 Home Premium (win7-HP)
3 HP laptop with win 7 Ultimate (win7-U)

I also see the same in my Daughters laptop win 7 Home Prmium
1 XP desktop
2 HP laptop win 7 Home Premium
3 HP laptop with win 7 Ultimate

when I try to access win7-HP from XP-D, all is fine and Visa Versa.

But, when I try to access the win7-U from my other two machines I get the following

Windows cannot access \\win7-U

check speeling of the name. Otherwise, there might be a problem with your network. To try to identify and resolve network problems, click Diagnose.

Error code: 0x80070035
The network path was not found.

In my effort to determine the root cause, I sat the two win 7 machines next to each other and made sure that all is AOK for all settings, I have followed some of the threads in this forum, which by the way is excellent., but to no availe.

I finally downloaded a program called wireshark and tried to determine why I cannot ping the win7-U.

It turns out that when I do a ping from the two other machines to win7-U, it sends it out to the www, internet. I can tell by the IP addressing which is no longer private and is definetly public.

So, I again looked at ipconfig/all for the two win 7 machines and noticed that

IP Routing is set to YES for the win7-U machine, but not the other two.

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : win7-U
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Belkin

I have also tried the regedit of the following to set it to 0 and restarted my machine, but it does not change it when I do an ipconfig /all command.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip
\Parameters
subkey : "IPEnableRouter" entry to 0
and rebooted.

Am I on the right track to working out the reason why I cannot access my win7-U machine from the other two, even though I can see it in the my network window.

I cannot see any machines in the win7-U. It sometimes sees itself.

Please help me if you can, and be patient with me in trying to respond to your questions. I even had trouble working out how to start this thread.

 

[acurasd]

Good Information.

Please inform us on the make/model/version and firmware of your router.

Did you do any changes to your router?

Also,
Under your Advance Sharing Settings.
They should be set as follow:

Home/Work
These should be enabled:
Turn on network discovery

Turn on file and printer sharing

Turn on sharing with publick folder (opinional) i have it enabled.

File Sharing Connections: 128 bit

Password Protected: Turn on password protected sharing (hopefully you have your daughters and your account on one another's computer) which would be the best thing. best for security

HomeGroup Connections: User user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers

Under Your LAN properties:
You should use these connections:

Client for Microsoft networks
QOS Packet Scheduler (yes or no, its up to you) usually enabled
file and printer sharing for microsoft networks
TCP/IP 4
TCP/IP 6
Link Layer mapper I/O driver
Link Layer Responder

Anything else should not be required unless you have symantec installed or an antivirus that might place something extra in there.


Another thing you have to check as well....
if you have a firewall installed.
make sure your LAN is opened... so that they will communicate with both the computers and your router as well.

 

[kyooooo]

Hi acurasd,

Please inform us on the make/model/version and firmware of your router.
Belkin G router will have to wait till I get home tonight.

Did you do any changes to your router?
Not at all, but will go and check tonight again.

Also,
Under your Advance Sharing Settings.
They should be set as follow:

Home/Work.............................................................................DONE
These should be enabled:
Turn on network discovery........................................................DONE

Turn on file and printer sharing.................................................DONE

Turn on sharing with publick folder (opinional) i have it enabled.??? Not sure about this one

File Sharing Connections: 128 bit.................................................DONE

Password Protected: Turn on password protected sharing (hopefully you have your daughters and your account on one another's computer) which would be the best thing. best for security.................................................DONE

HomeGroup Connections: User user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers??? Not sure

Under Your LAN properties:
You should use these connections:

Client for Microsoft networks
QOS Packet Scheduler (yes or no, its up to you) usually enabled
file and printer sharing for microsoft networks
TCP/IP 4
TCP/IP 6
Link Layer mapper I/O driver
Link Layer Responder

All of these.................................................DONE

Anything else should not be required unless you have symantec installed or an antivirus that might place something extra in there.

AVG 9 anti-virus (I do not beleive it has firewall, I also have Symantic updater only)

Another thing you have to check as well....
if you have a firewall installed. Windows only
make sure your LAN is opened... so that they will communicate with both the computers and your router as well. Not sure what you mean by this one, please give more detail?

 

[acurasd]

Hi acurasd,

Please inform us on the make/model/version and firmware of your router.
Belkin G router will have to wait till I get home tonight.

Did you do any changes to your router?
Not at all, but will go and check tonight again.

Also,
Under your Advance Sharing Settings.
They should be set as follow:

Home/Work.............................................................................DONE
These should be enabled:
Turn on network discovery........................................................DONE

Turn on file and printer sharing.................................................DONE

Turn on sharing with publick folder (opinional) i have it enabled.??? Not sure about this one

File Sharing Connections: 128 bit.................................................DONE

Password Protected: Turn on password protected sharing (hopefully you have your daughters and your account on one another's computer) which would be the best thing. best for security.................................................DONE

HomeGroup Connections: User user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers??? Not sure

Under Your LAN properties:
You should use these connections:

Client for Microsoft networks
QOS Packet Scheduler (yes or no, its up to you) usually enabled
file and printer sharing for microsoft networks
TCP/IP 4
TCP/IP 6
Link Layer mapper I/O driver
Link Layer Responder

All of these.................................................DONE

Anything else should not be required unless you have symantec installed or an antivirus that might place something extra in there.

AVG 9 anti-virus (I do not beleive it has firewall, I also have Symantic updater only)

Another thing you have to check as well....
if you have a firewall installed. Windows only
make sure your LAN is opened... so that they will communicate with both the computers and your router as well. Not sure what you mean by this one, please give more detail?

Sorry for the late response... I just got home from a 5 hour drive and came home to find out that someone had spliced into our main cable line outside so i have been spending an hour trying to teether off my cell phone.

Home Group Connections:
Set this to "Use user accounts, not the allow windows to manage"

Public Connections:
That is really up to you. If you are not sure. Just keep it off for now.

If you have a firewall:
YOu have to activate your LAN to work with one another. Open up for instance if your LAN is: 192.168.1.1 (Gateway - usually your router here) then activte the firewall to use IPs: 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.255 that way any computers between those numbers will have no problem talking to one another.

Once you have set up all these settings on both of the computers you are trying to communicate with. Any response with each computer.

Another thing that I can sugguest.... is to activate STATIC IPs.

I am not sure what your gateway is, but this is mines:

My Router: 192.168.2.1
My Server: 192.168.2.2
My Computer: 192.168.2.3

Subnet: 255.255.255.0 (same for all computers)

Gateway: 192.168.2.1

DNS: well you can pull that from your router or DSL modem or cable model whatever internet you are using.

 

[kyooooo]

Answers to your earlier questions.

Turn on sharing with publick folder (opinional) i have it enabled......DONE

Belkin Wireles G Router

F/W F5D7234-4_AU_1.00.01
Boot Version v1.02
H/W F5D7234-4 v1000

Dflt GW is 192.168.254.254
DNS server is as above address
This is my DSL modem provided by my ISP.

The Belkin router does have a firewall, with

DNA, Bittorrent, Skype and

Teredo using port 54335.

I know about all, except Teredo. I beleive this is new to Win 7, but the IP address is not that of my Laptop. It is that of my Daughters, also win7-HP.

So I added my laptop address with Teredo with the next port value of 54336.
Not sure if this will do anything?

Not sure of the reason behind the static IP, as my daughters PC is AOK with all the current settings in hers is exactly the same as mine.

By the way. I have just turned on all three computers and mine is no longer in the list of network. It was yesterday?? Go figure?

 

[zzz2496]

Try this:

Easy way to connect to other Windows computers on the network.

Prequisite: you MUST make a user - the user MUST have a password - on the "target" computer (the one you try to access to).
From your computer, in explorer's address bar type in --> \\ip_of_the_target_computer - example --> \\192.168.1.100
When asked for username/password, enter the one you've created previously.

zzz2496

 

[kyooooo]

Hi zzz2496,

I have tried that many times before and I tried it again now, but it states that it cannot find the computer etc.

Thanks anyway. Always appreciate all eforts.

 

[kyooooo]

Hi zzz2496,

By the way, I'm actually trying to work out how to turn off IP routing, but the usual regedit method did not work.

Hi acurasd,

I'm a bit concerned that it has been hard coded (virus), so someone can hack into my machine via back door.

Not sure what to make of it.

 

[zzz2496]

I don't see how this has to do with "routing", you are contacting a computer on the same LAN... So that doesn't count as "routing" problem... Btw, do you know the target computer's IP address?

zzz2496

 

[kyooooo]

Hi zzz2496,
I'm not sure myself, but if you read the description above, I used a program called wireshark that captures packets etc, and when I did a ping from my win7-U it goes out to the internet, as I can tell from the PUBLIC IP.
But when I do a ping from my XP to win7-HP, and vica versa, it actually finds the PC and all is well.

They are all on the same subnetwork of 192.168.2.X subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

(all from my win7-U) When I ping the Wireless router all is AOK. When I ping my DSL modem all is ok, but when I try and ping anything back into my subnetwork, it always fails. That is why I suspect, but not sure of, the reason why my IP routing forwards the packets to Router, then DSL modem and then to www, Internet.

Hope this explains my reasoning well.

 

[zzz2496]

Did you ping your IP address...? You ping host name "Windows7-U"?? I told you to access the IP address didn't I?

zzz2496

 

[kyooooo]

Hi zzz2496,
Also my reasoning is that when I do a ping from my win7-U pc to another PC in my subnetwork, there is a setting in the packet sent from my win7-U pc that causes my wireless router to send always and only out to the net.

I have just done packet capture from my win-XP machine pinging my daughters machine (ping 192.168.2.9) and it sends packet to both internal and external to my network. That is to www and my subnetwork. It eventually replies from internal network, but obviously does not actually send a reply from www.

I think I'm closer to the solution. Now I will do a packet capture from my win7-U and see what is in the packet that is different from the other machines packet when I do a ping.

Will keep you posted for the result as as I get it working again on my win7-U.

Regards

Kyooooo

 

[kyooooo]

Hi all,
I actually did my test and found Nada, nothing, zip.

It actually gives exactly same result from all machines when I ping my PC from all other PC.

ping 192.168.2.5

 

[kyooooo]

Hi all,

 

[kyooooo]

Hi all,

I am thinking of doing a fresh install of win seven, then restoring my applications after, is there a good website where it explains how to back up in win 7 then restore the backup again?

Regards and thanks for all your help.

 

[Jacee]

Have a look here: Tutorials - Windows 7 Forums[2]=Backup%20Restore

 

[kyooooo]

Wow Jacee,
There is so much that I can learn on this website. Thanks.

 

[zzz2496]

Wait, can you post a screenshot of the ping result? One screenshot from the problematic W7 to WXP, and another one from WXP to W7 (replace WXP with whatever the target host you have there).

zzz2496

Ps. unless you know what to read, DO NOT use wireshark, it contains too much information, even for a fairly seasoned network administrator can be overwhelmed by it.

 

[ccatlett1984]

before you go through all that, its a dns issue. Just add that computers (win7-U) to your HOST file and put the ip address that is assigned to it.

Windows 7 – Edit the Hosts file

 

[kyooooo]

Hi zzz2496/ccatlett1984
I will do for both of you ASAP when I get home from work. Thank you.

I will not do an upgrade until it is 100% certain I cannot do it any other way.

Thanks again for all your attention people, it is really appreciated.

Regards

Kyooooo