Don't forget about ACTA

[lehnerus2000]

How ACTA would affect you: FAQ

Summary: With SOPA and PIPA shelved, ACTA was somewhat ignored. Don’t know what ACTA is? Don’t worry: you weren’t meant to. Here’s what you need to know.

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How ACTA would affect you: FAQ | ZDNet

Just because SOPA & PIPA are currently shelved, don't forget about the "elephant in the room".

 

[Influx]

It's an awful law, "thou shall not pass"

 

[yowanvista]

It's an awful law, "thou shall not pass"

ACTA is rather more like a 'trade agreement' between countries.

 

[lorddenis]

And some say that ACTA is way worse than SOPA. and sadly my country was one of the countris that signet in secret last week. I mean all this under the pretense to stop piracy.

A little of topic but stil. you never see articles like this anywhere.. thats strange.
Illegal downloaders spend MORE on music than those who obey the law

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-spend-MORE-music-obey-law.html#ixzz1kwfXX5ng
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-spend-MORE-music-obey-law.html#ixzz0Vff0mZQh

 

[BrightBlessings]

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372469/european-official-quits-over-acta-charade

 

[ShadowMario3]

Pretty sure we can't stop ACTA since it's an international treaty that has already been "passed". I thought that's why there hasn't been big news about trying to protest against it.

 

[lehnerus2000]

None of these laws are about stopping piracy

Australia's signed it too.
Our politicians "bend over backwards" to suck up to the US.

A little of topic but stil. you never see articles like this anywhere.. thats strange.
Illegal downloaders spend MORE on music than those who obey the law

Indeed, that is strange.

Of course that doesn't suit the narrative, that piracy is depriving the Corporations of "trillions of dollars" of profit every year.
Don't believe it, work out the fines levied x alleged offences (as claimed by RIAA & MPAA).

It's like the surveys that show atheists know more about the Bible, than believers do (i.e. can correctly answer more questions).

None of these laws are about stopping piracy.
They're about entrenching power/privilege, silencing dissent and preventing the citizens from being able to organise opposition to Corporate and Government policies/practices.

 

[MadSupra354]

The United Kingdom, Australia, Canada and New Zealand have also signed it.
Stop ACTA

 

[Lebon14]

Yes, Canada signed it. Plus, if it wasn't enough, Harper wants to pass the bill C-10 which is... a surveillance bill...

FU Harper. I hate you.

Let's see if ACTA can censor this message because I hate my federal government.

 

[seekermeister]

I couldn't get a grip on exactly how to view ACTA. This is the first that I've heard of it, and the article was not precise enough for me to feel that I comprehend the weight of the agreement. I have no problem with the government(s) attempting to deal with criminal aspects of the use of the internet, but I'm firmly against any law, treaty or agreement, either at home or internationally, that places RIAA or MPAA or any other private institutions in a position of snooping on the public, or making unsubstantiated charges on nothing more than their word.

From the sound of it, it doesn't really matter what I think, because it is going into effect regardless, and soon, because the date given is only a little over a year from now. Still, we should demand full disclosure of all aspects of this or any other legal processes like it. If the government won't protect us, then we will have to protect ourselves.

 

[lehnerus2000]

EFF ACTA Link

I couldn't get a grip on exactly how to view ACTA. This is the first that I've heard of it, and the article was not precise enough for me to feel that I comprehend the weight of the agreement.

Try this link:
https://www.eff.org/issues/acta/

It has articles dating back to 2008.

 

[seekermeister]

It is difficult to be sure, but ACTA does seem to potentially impose as much danger to citizens as SOPA did, and is just another approach to the problem, using much of the same means. As far as I'm concerned, what any law, treaty or agreement should target is the persons actually providing illegal data, and then secondly the servers that place it online...not the ISP and particularly not the users at large. The article in the first link said that a person illegally downloading 30 songs, could be fined as much as $675,000, which is totally absurd. Perhaps two or three hundred dollars, but no more, otherwise the law is just being used to exploit and profiteer on internet users.

EDIT: I can say what effect that is is having on one potential customer (me), in that I'm far less likely to buy any audio or video DVDs of any kind, because I won't spend my money to support legalized thievery.

 

[Britton30]

And some say that ACTA is way worse than SOPA. and sadly my country was one of the countris that signet in secret last week. I mean all this under the pretense to stop piracy.

A little of topic but stil. you never see articles like this anywhere.. thats strange.
Illegal downloaders spend MORE on music than those who obey the law

Read more: Illegal downloaders spend MORE on music than those who obey the law | Mail Online​

Illegal downloaders spend MORE on music than those who obey the law | Mail Online

Very true Denis, much overlooked that if a total ban on "infringemnt" took place, demand would drop and proces go through the roof.

The agreement will make it easier for law enforcement and ISPs (’intermediaries’) to monitor consumers, and impose new criminal sanctions on those who flout copyright and patent laws.

So, who decides who to monitor? and why?:sarc:

 

[seekermeister]

Even if a country has signed the agreeement, what is to prevent it from withdrawing from it afterward?

 

[lehnerus2000]

Prices would go up ...

Very true Denis, much overlooked that if a total ban on "infringemnt" took place, demand would drop and proces go through the roof.

Prices would go up regardless of demand.

They are a legal monopoly right now.
The only thing that restrains prices is piracy.

How much cheaper would media be, if the companies didn't waste millions of dollars and man-hours on DRM schemes?

Even if a country has signed the agreeement, what is to prevent it from withdrawing from it afterward?

The US would just strong-arm those countries (e.g. threaten/impose "Trade Sanctions").

The U.S. demanded that the Spanish government take action to enact tougher policies on file sharing by passing the Sinde Law, or the U.S. would retaliate with trade restrictions or embargoes.

ZDNet
U.S. ‘threatened to blacklist Spain’ over SOPA-style law | ZDNet​

 

[arkhi]

Imagine this scenario. On a market somewhere, there is this table loaded with cool stuff. These stuff were left there by people who no longer need it and/or decided to share it with a lot of people. They're all free, and some decided to take some of the stuff, some want to by the new ones since the quality of the stuff on the table were too low for the standards. The market owner, Government, noticed this and decided it's causing trouble and called his bodyguard, ACTA, to stop it.

Government's Logic:

ACTA: Okay you can't get these books at the table for free now. But good news! I'm selling them for only a low price of $xxx.xx!!
Everyone: No more freebies? Okay... BUY ALL THE THINGS! AND BUY MORE!

Reality:
ACTA: Okay you can't get these books at the table for free now. But good news! I'm selling them for only a low price of $xx.xx!!
Everyone: Well screw that I'm outa here.
Someone else: *sneaks behind the table*

True story...

 

[seekermeister]

lehnerus2000,

The US would just strong-arm those countries (e.g. threaten/impose "Trade Sanctions").

Yes that is true, but my question was about the U.S. withdrawing from the agreement. I realize that is quite unlikely, since I imagine that it is the one that is behind it in the first place, but then the question is whether it would continue to do so, if public pressure was sufficient to force them to reconsider their stance. If that did happen, I don't think the other countries could/would strong arm them to remain, and the entire agreement would fall apart.

 

[lehnerus2000]

The US are exempt from any agreements they push/sign.
"Do as we say, not as we do" applies.

The only countries they can't do it to are China, North Korea and Russia.

 

[seekermeister]

Okay, then I realize it is no consolation to any non-US person, but I have to consider it first from a view as a US citizen. If the US government is not bound by this agreement, then it couldn't be used in any legal proceedings here against a US corportation or citizen. For it to be used elsewhere would require the government of the country involved to enforce it...true? I'm simply attempting to establish the impact this agreement will have on all of us.

 

[lehnerus2000]

I have no idea.
I assume that:

• Trade treaty violations are handled differently to criminal cases.
• The US could choose to enforce it on companies if they wanted to.

For example:
Company A upsets the politicians, so it gets persecuted (I mean persecuted).
Company B has "friends in Washington", so it gets off "scot-free".