HD Issue

[PsYcHo1231]

PC Specs:

Q6600 @ 2.4GHz
ATI Radeon 4850 1GB
6GB RAM
ASUS Maximus Formula Motherboard

Hi, i recently purchased a 32" HD Technika TV that I use as a TV, monitor and console gaming screen. The quality is great for watching films, TV shows and playing games on my PS3 (HDMI connection) but whenever I play a game on my PC such as WoW or CoD4, the text seems fuzzy/blurred.

I also have a question about why there would be a small black border around the edge of the screen instead of the PC resolution actually filling the whole screen. I have checked in the settings of my TV for help and there is an option that is called HDMI PC Full Mode [OFF] ON. Whenever I turn it to on, it just makes that border even larger around the resolution of my screen (before I forget, my resolution is 1280x720 because this TV isnt full HD). There is also an option for Game Mode [OFF] ON but that only changes it so that if the game gets dark, it wont go brighter and vice versa I think.

Ive changed all the sharpness in the settings of the TV and it hasnt changed a thing that I can see.

My questions really are; Is there a way to get rid of the border around the resolution? How can I make the text seem more crisp in games?

 

[PsYcHo1231]

Can anyone help me? Its really annoying

 

[HQuest]

I believe you have already set the default resolution for the TV as the maximum allowed by your TV, right? And also your games are using this very same resolution...

 

[PsYcHo1231]

I believe you have already set the default resolution for the TV as the maximum allowed by your TV, right? And also your games are using this very same resolution...

I tried 1920x1080 but all the text and stuff from the desktop or any website was way too small, but after fiddling around with a few settings, ive managed to get the text and icons to look good from the distance I am sitting from my TV. I still have the issue though of the small black lines around the edge of my display. Is there any way to get rid of them?

 

[HQuest]

Previously, you said your TV was not Full HD. That means if you use Full HD resolution of 1920x1080, it will scale and things get pretty blurry. Now, in order to have the best quality on this TV, you should set it the same native resolution on either Windows desktop or your games, whatever displayed on the TV -- 1280x720. Anything different from that will scale and degrade visual quality, add extra black bars around or make texts blurry.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there

IMO most computer graphic cards unless you go totally beserk buying really TOP GRADE stuff aren't even remotely capable of producing large scale video streaming at QUALITY HD 1080p resolution -- even SKY TV (in UK) which can be pretty good is only 720p on their HD service.

You might get a slightly better resolution attempting to set the output at 1080i --use Interlaced instead of Progressive -- this will attempt to "fill in" the missing data rather like "Up rezzing" a picture in Photoshop or a DVD upscaling the quality of a Standard DVD).

Another problem in producing high quality HD Video is that it also requires a LOT of CPU processing power -- a typical low to mid range computer or laptop won't have the processing power to stream this stuff in flawless HD quality at the size you want especially if the stream is coming from the Internet -- and here you get the next bottleneck.

You will need a humungously fast download speed to get HD content of this quality -- minimum 20 Mbs. The bog standard 2mbs is MUCH to slow. Then watch your download limit too as HD video in high quality requires HUGE bandwidth.

Remember as well that if the video stream is coming from a domestic site (i.e non commercial website) then you will be limited as well by the UPLOAD Speed of the site -- and for domestic users this is often pretty slow -- you would be lucky to find many areas with 2mb upload even if download is 20 or 50mb. 2mb is FAR FAR to slow for a quality HD feed.

Tv via the Internet or even Home streaming isn't quite ready for Prime time yet on LARGE TV's (32 Inch and bigger). In fact it looks HORRIBLE even on an expensive top of the range 42 inch TV (I paid around 1600 GBP for that piece of kit and on normal HD it's fabulous) set even with a FAST internet connection.

You would be better off for the moment using a smaller size TV -- 26 inch looks passable actually but any bigger forget it for the moment until the next generation of Computer hardware comes out.

(It's NOT the TV that has the problem --at least I'm 999.99% sure).

Cheers
jimbo

 

[fishnbanjo]

How is your TV connected to your PC?

 

[PsYcHo1231]

Previously, you said your TV was not Full HD. That means if you use Full HD resolution of 1920x1080, it will scale and things get pretty blurry. Now, in order to have the best quality on this TV, you should set it the same native resolution on either Windows desktop or your games, whatever displayed on the TV -- 1280x720. Anything different from that will scale and degrade visual quality, add extra black bars around or make texts blurry.

Its not full HD, the 1920x1080 is not 1080p, its 1080i

Hi there

IMO most computer graphic cards unless you go totally beserk buying really TOP GRADE stuff aren't even remotely capable of producing large scale video streaming at QUALITY HD 1080p resolution -- even SKY TV (in UK) which can be pretty good is only 720p on their HD service.

You might get a slightly better resolution attempting to set the output at 1080i --use Interlaced instead of Progressive -- this will attempt to "fill in" the missing data rather like "Up rezzing" a picture in Photoshop or a DVD upscaling the quality of a Standard DVD).

Another problem in producing high quality HD Video is that it also requires a LOT of CPU processing power -- a typical low to mid range computer or laptop won't have the processing power to stream this stuff in flawless HD quality at the size you want especially if the stream is coming from the Internet -- and here you get the next bottleneck.

You will need a humungously fast download speed to get HD content of this quality -- minimum 20 Mbs. The bog standard 2mbs is MUCH to slow. Then watch your download limit too as HD video in high quality requires HUGE bandwidth.

Remember as well that if the video stream is coming from a domestic site (i.e non commercial website) then you will be limited as well by the UPLOAD Speed of the site -- and for domestic users this is often pretty slow -- you would be lucky to find many areas with 2mb upload even if download is 20 or 50mb. 2mb is FAR FAR to slow for a quality HD feed.

Tv via the Internet or even Home streaming isn't quite ready for Prime time yet on LARGE TV's (32 Inch and bigger). In fact it looks HORRIBLE even on an expensive top of the range 42 inch TV (I paid around 1600 GBP for that piece of kit and on normal HD it's fabulous) set even with a FAST internet connection.

You would be better off for the moment using a smaller size TV -- 26 inch looks passable actually but any bigger forget it for the moment until the next generation of Computer hardware comes out.

(It's NOT the TV that has the problem --at least I'm 999.99% sure).

Cheers
jimbo

Thanks for the reply. I changed my resolution to 1920x1080 for 1080i and the text on desktop looks alot clearer because I also changed the DPI settings to 150%. I still get that annoying border round the outside of the resolution though which is kinda frustrating. Ive changed HDMI cables twice and ive had this problem with 3 graphics cards as well. ATI 4850 (current), ATI 4670 and a nVidia 260GTX (DVI-HDMI).

How is your TV connected to your PC?

HDMI cable, HDMI to HDMI

 

[HQuest]

Hi there

HD videos nowadays are handled by the VGA processor. A sub $100 video card is able to push Full HD movies and not even scratch the CPU. And a sub $100 video card doesn't sound top grade stuff to me.

Now, unless I missed this part, the OP was complaining about their 3D Games running from the computer, which has no much to do with Internet TV. I do agree with lots of points about bandwidth, coverage area, but what have these to do with 3D gaming on the PC?

Back on topic, are you really sure you are using 1920x1080? I used to play WoW and these days just watching BD discs and I have no extra bars -- unless I leave at 1920x1200, which most of HD TVs can handle.

 

[fishnbanjo]

To the OP, you TV manual shows it should be hooked up from the PC input, i.e. the VGA connector, to the PC. If you do not have a VGA output on your PC I would use a DVI to VGA adapter and the DVI cable at the DVI connection on the PC then plug the VGA adapter into the TV. Your HDMI may still be used for your game box and sound for your PC but the VGA should solve your issues, it's basically like this with at least 90% of the TV's currently out there.

Following is from the manual.

USING YOUR TV AS A COMPUTER DISPLAY
PC IN PC input
1. Connect the PC output port in the computer to the PC port in the TV set.
2. Connect the audio cable in computer to PC AUDIO IN port in TV set.
3. Press SOURCE button to select VGA mode.
4. Turning on the computer, the screen image of the computer will display on the
TV set.
At this time, the TV set can be used as a computer display.
Note:
1. If the temperature of the TV set is rather low, it is normal that there may be some artifacts when the set is first turned on.
2. Nonconforming pixels may occur on the panel, but they have no influence on the
normal function of the display.
3. In the standard operation, it is normal if there is one bright dot or dark dot on the
screen.
VGA 640 x 480 @ 31.5kHz 60 Hz
SVGA 800 x 600 @ 37.9kHz 60 Hz
XGA 1024 x 768 @ 48.4kHz 60 Hz


Note: The above parameters are VESA standard.

 

[PsYcHo1231]

To the OP, you TV manual shows it should be hooked up from the PC input, i.e. the VGA connector, to the PC. If you do not have a VGA output on your PC I would use a DVI to VGA adapter and the DVI cable at the DVI connection on the PC then plug the VGA adapter into the TV. Your HDMI may still be used for your game box and sound for your PC but the VGA should solve your issues, it's basically like this with at least 90% of the TV's currently out there.

Following is from the manual.

USING YOUR TV AS A COMPUTER DISPLAY
PC IN PC input
1. Connect the PC output port in the computer to the PC port in the TV set.
2. Connect the audio cable in computer to PC AUDIO IN port in TV set.
3. Press SOURCE button to select VGA mode.
4. Turning on the computer, the screen image of the computer will display on the
TV set.
At this time, the TV set can be used as a computer display.
Note:
1. If the temperature of the TV set is rather low, it is normal that there may be some artifacts when the set is first turned on.
2. Nonconforming pixels may occur on the panel, but they have no influence on the
normal function of the display.
3. In the standard operation, it is normal if there is one bright dot or dark dot on the
screen.
VGA 640 x 480 @ 31.5kHz 60 Hz
SVGA 800 x 600 @ 37.9kHz 60 Hz
XGA 1024 x 768 @ 48.4kHz 60 Hz


Note: The above parameters are VESA standard.

So basically what youve said is that a HD TV with 2 HDMI ports and an option in the menu for full HDMI PC Input (that makes the black border bigger) doesnt support a PC that uses HDMI to the TV? That sucks!

 

[HQuest]

Yep, the user manual gave an interesting hint, check this out:

(manual found online @ http://haier.com/admin/en/product/upload/LCD32-407B-UM.pdf)

-When you connect this TV with a source device (DVD player, Set Top Box or PC)

supporting Auto HDMI function, the output resolution of the source device will be
automatically set to 1280x720p.
-If the source device does not support Auto HDMI, you need to set the output
resolution appropriately.
To get the best picture quality, adjust the DVD Player or Set Top Box’s output resolution​

to 1280x720p, and the PC graphics card’s output resolution to 1024x768, 60Hz.


And yep, the previously posted information was found on the same user manual (check the manual page 29 -- or page 16 on the PDF file). But that is valid in case you are using the PC (analog or DVI connector, not the HDMI). For HDMI, the above applies.

 

[fishnbanjo]

I'm running a 37" Vizio, which is a full 1080P HDTV, via the VGA connection from my XFX 5870 XXX Edition and it is full screen w/o any bordering, I can use HDMI for audio, if I choose, but I run my sound card out to my Surround Sound Processor via Toslinq fiber instead. Don't shortchange the abilities via VGA, if your TV and GPU can handle the signals the VGA will deliver it.

 

[Dixon Butz]

Open Catalyst control center and go to desktop properties. In that section there are HDTV resolutions.
That is the way I do it on my 65" DLP TV to select 1920x1080 which is native for that TV. No more borders. I can also select interlaced or progressive.

 

[PsYcHo1231]

Open Catalyst control center and go to desktop properties. In that section there are HDTV resolutions.
That is the way I do it on my 65" DLP TV to select 1920x1080 which is native for that TV. No more borders. I can also select interlaced or progressive.

Just looked there, found the HDTV resolution, set it to all of them, still get a border. Dont know how you havet got a border but I still do. I tried the VGA connection and its even worse! The best resolution I set mine to was 800x600 which was the clearest. Any higher and the text goes really REALLY fuzzy and blurred, even worse than it is in HD, infact, just looking now, I cant use any HD resolutions such as 1280x720 or 1920x1080. 1280x720 is there but whenever I select it and hit apply, my TV comes uip with No Signal and then goes back to 800x600, there isnt even an oiption for 1920x01080, the highest is 1600x1200 and that is the worst looking one, even when I select autoposition in my TV PC menu.

 

[PsYcHo1231]

Right, ive worked out how to get rid of the blackborder now, by going into CCC > Display Properties > Scaling Options and scaling the desktop to fit the screen fully.

BUT whenever I launch a game, the border comes back.