How to Back Up a Hard Disk

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Hi, I am wondering if there is a way to back up a hard drive into another hard drive, for instance, i have drive F, and G. I download a video into the F drive and I want the video automatically gets a copy into the G drive, is it possible in Windows 7? without having to use the RAID configurations.

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I don`t think windows will do it automatically, you will have to do it manually.
You would probably have to install a backup program to do what you want.
 

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What you want is possible but I don't advise it. Backups are safest when kept separate from your computer; otherwise something that corrupts or destroys your data on the F drive, to use your example, could also be compromised on the G drive.

A better plan would be for drive G to be an external HDD (or an internal HDD in a dock) and connect it to your computer only when you need to backup a file. In your case, once you have downloaded your video to the F drive, connect the G drive to the computer and use a file copy program, such as TeraCopy, to copy your video from the F drive to the G drive. It's not as convenient as what you want to do but it is much safer.
 

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Task Scheduler can be used to automate the task at shutdown, at which point the OP simply attaches the USB drive.

I've never bought into the argument that permanently attached USB drives are more prone to failure. There is a far greater likelihood of damaging the connector through repeated plugging and unplugging.
 

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Task Scheduler can be used to automate the task at shutdown, at which point the OP simply attaches the USB drive.

I've never bought into the argument that permanently attached USB drives are more prone to failure. There is a far greater likelihood of damaging the connector through repeated plugging and unplugging.

The danger with permanently attached USB drives (or drives mounted internally) isn't that the drives themselves are more prone to failure. The danger comes from a virus or other nasty corrupting and/or deleting data on the backup drive. That is far less likely to happen to a drive that isn't permanently attached. Internally mounted drives are also subject to a malfunction within the computer, such as a failing PSU, frying the drive (that's far less likely to happen to a USB or e-SATA external drive).

I've never had a problem with damaging a USB port or connector from repeated plugging and unplugging but, if one is concerned about that (and it might be a valid concern), the easy fix is to attach and leave attached an extension USB cable to the computer (using a rear port would be more sanitary looking). If the drive has a removable USB cable, keep the cable plugged into the drive and just plug the other end into the extension cable. That way, any wear and tear would be limited to the easily replaced cables. Personally, I feel it would be overkill but, if it makes one feel better, there's no harm in it.
 

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Thanks guys, how about using RAID 1, but if one of the disk fails, will it still work, or need to replace the damage disk first for it to work?
 

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Thanks guys, how about using RAID 1, but if one of the disk fails, will it still work, or need to replace the damage disk first for it to work?

First rule of backups: RAID is not a backup! Considering any kind of RAID to be a backup is a common misconception.

The primary purpose of most RAIDs (other than 0 which is to increase speed) is to provide redundancy should a data disk go belly up from it's own failure. The RAID will allow a computer to continue to write and read data until the dead disk can be replaced. This is valuable, if not essential, for scenarios where a dead disk would be more than a mere inconvenience, such as in business applications.

The reason RAID is not suitable for backups is malware, mechanical failure in the computer or wherever the RAID is kept (such as blown PSU), natural disaster, or human error will cause all data to be corrupted or lost from the RAID.

Let's say you put drives F and G into RAID 1 in your computer. If your PSU should fail (and they frequently do so quite spectacularly), it could shoot voltage directly from the mains to both of your disks, instantly frying them and, usually, your data. If you drop the computer, there is an excellent chance neither of the HDDs will survive. If you get a virus and it corrupts or deletes the data on your F disk, the data on the G disk will also be corrupted or deleted. If you accidentally delete some data on F, the same data on G also goes away.

This is why it's important to keep your backups separate from your computer. A bare bones backup scheme has at least one backup however, a fire, flood, theft, etc. that damages or destroys your computer could do the same for your data. That is why having two backups, one kept onsite for convenience, and one kept offsite to help protect it from the fate of your computer and onsite backup is highly recommended.

The downside of an offsite backup is the difficulty of keeping it up to date. Data cannot be recovered unless it has been backed up. The easiest and least expensive way to achieve an off site backup and keep it up to date is to use a good paid backup service. I personally use Carbonite which costs me only $59 a year. It quietly uploads your data to Carbonite's servers, encrypting it before it ever leaves your computer, as soon as it has been created or changed. Carbonite also has a 30 day versioning policy; data is kept for 30 days after it has been changed or deleted, giving you the opportunity to recover the earlier version if needed.

Carbonite has a more expensive plan—$99/year—that both uploads your data to its servers and maintains a mirror on an external HDD. While I discourage using mirrors, in this case, since you could recover your data from Carbonite should both the F and G drive (G being the mirror) fail or become corrupted as long as you discover the problem and freeze the Carbonite backup within 30 days of the failure so you will have time to recover your data. Since you are looking for an automatic solution, this might work for you.

I do not recommend using Carbonite as your sole backup since it takes a long time to upload and download large amounts of data and, though highly unlikely, it is possible even Carbonite could lose your data.
 

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Thanks for that info, I've thought that RAID configurations was safe. Like you said, all I want is to keep the backups up to date, because I already have 2 external hard drive backing them up, I usually back them up everymonth or 2, since i do lot of 3D modelling and rendering, so i was thinking of adding a 2 internal hardrive to auto back-up whatever i do. I guess gonna think of something else. Cheers
 

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A RAID1,5 or 10 is perfectly fine for backups.....ive been using them for years now. When one of the platters died there was no frying of other disks, or other electical wizardry.....not entirely sure where that comes from
:rolleyes:

You should have an external backup to USB too.

You can't protect against every eventuality....if thats how you look at it, you may as well stop using computers and go live under a rock. The goal after all is to enjoy computing, and not spend ing your entire life trying to insure against every possible scenario, including the very unlikely.
 

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A RAID1,5 or 10 is perfectly fine for backups.....ive been using them for years now. When one of the platters died there was no frying of other disks, or other electical wizardry.....not entirely sure where that comes from
:rolleyes:

You should have an external backup to USB too.

You can't protect against every eventuality....if thats how you look at it, you may as well stop using computers and go live under a rock. The goal after all is to enjoy computing, and not spend ing your entire life trying to insure against every possible scenario, including the very unlikely.

This is the kind of thing that constantly amazes me, especially coming from someone who has forgotten more about computers than I will ever know and should know better (they don't give the MS Community Contributor Award to anyone unless they are extremely knowledgeable).

There is nothing wrong with using RAID to ensure continuity of operation when one of the disks dies but it cannot, I repeat, cannot be depended on for a backup. Just because you have been lucky doesn't mean RAID is a reliable backup.

I do not appreciate your misquoting me and mocking what I had said with the "electical wizardry" crack. I never said anything about a dying platter frying any other disks. If you had paid attention to what I had written, you would know "where that comes from". What I mentioned was a failing PSU could fry all the disks. PSUs can fail, frequently catastrophically, and can fry every component in a computer. I've read many reports of that very thing happening so I'm not pulling this out of my ear. And don't roll your eyes at me young man.

I frequently see posts here and on other forums about people crying that they lost all their data because the drive died, a virus damaged or wiped their data, or they accidentally deleted their data. If there is only one copy of one's data, such as on a RAID or a single drive, it is not backed up. I've already pointed out what can cause data to be lost when depending on a RAID; I suggest you go back to my post and read it carefully, this time with an open mind.

No, one can't protect against every possible scenario but that doesn't mean one can't try to minimize the chances of losing one's data. It's not that difficult. And it's the unlikely scenarios that will bite you in the backside. And before you start complaining about the expense of a proper backup, consider the expense of recovering or replacing lost data, if it can even be recovered or replaced.

At least you did get it right when you advised also using an external USB drive.
 

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Sheesh calm down already :eek:. In my experience there are many ways to mitigate against data loss, and some of them dont require extreme practices at all. A functioning RAID 1.5 or 10, with an option of external storage is as good as a more extreme version. I work with very large and very valuable datasets, but I try to enjoy that without worrying about too much about whether my backup of my backup of my backup is sufficient. There are many ways to skin a cat, but they dont all require precision surgery.
 

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