installing IDE in new tower.

[DocBrown]

Found this gadget on eBay


IDE to <> Dual Bidirectional SATA Converter Adapter HDD

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IDE to SATA or SATA to IDE Adapter2-In-1 Bidirectional Bilateral. SATA-to-Ultra ATA-133 converter boards provide converter solutions for Parallel Ultra ATA Devices. 40 pin ATA port that can interface to parallel Ultra ATA (IDE) devices.



Description:

• Bi-Directional SATA to IDE Adapter for serial and parllel ATA. This adapter Does-it-All
• IDE to SATA Adapter or SATA to IDE Converter.
• This is a bi-directional converter for serial and parallel ATA translation.
• It includes the serial ATA PHY, Link, Transport, and Parallel ATA(Application Layer) controller.
• The serial ATA Physical, link and transport layers are complaint to Serial ATA 1.0.
• This IDE to SATA Converter supports a 1.5Ghz data rate.

Features:

• With LED indicated power
• Easy to install and no driver is required
• Serial ATA 1.0 Specification Compliant
• Automatic Serial ATA 1.5 Gbps Speed Negotiation
• ATA/ATAPI PIO mode 0 to 4
• ATA/ATAPI PI Ultra DMA of transfer rate 16.7, 25, 33, 48, 66, 100, 133, and 150 Mbps
• ATA/ATAPIPI LAB48 addressing mode associated with 2-byte sector count
• Support Serial ATA hot-plug
• Ultra Low power consumption
• Work for both AC and DC couple between the transmitter and receiver
• Provide specified OOB signal detection and transmission
• Support spread spectrum clocking to reduce EMI
• Support partial/slumber power management
• Provide adjustable TX signal amplitude and pre-emphasis level
• Slave support
• Weight: 78.2g

Package contents:

• 1 x IDE to SATA or SATA to IDE Bilateral Converter Adapter
• 1 x 4 pin power cable
• 1 x SATA cable

Are the Sata ports on the MB marked as to SATA0, SATA1, SATA2, SATA3, etc ?

Your main sata HD should be in SATA port 0 (zero) to boot first !

It is hard to see in there, but I have not changed the factory connections. It looks like the dark blue is marked SATA 1 and goes to the main drive, the white one is marked SATA 2 and goes to the DVD, and light blue is marked SATA 3, which may be where I need to go with my line?

Yes, try the one marked SATA 3 then for the connection of the adapter.

 

[Alsenor]

Yes, try the one marked SATA 3 then for the connection of the adapter.

I already did, with the same result as before.
I plugged the data cable into SATA 3 port. BUT - on reboot it starts out by "scanning drives......., and when that is done, it demands that I insert the W7 installation CD (which I do not have) or load proper boot media and reboot. That keeps going in a vicious circle, until I cut power. Then I have to disconnect the SATA 3 line to be able to boot into my main drive again.

 

[DocBrown]

You may have to go into the Bios setup before windows boots up & change to IDE HD's
as the selected HD

 

[Alsenor]

You may have to go into the Bios setup before windows boots up & change to IDE HD's
as the selected HD

First I want to boot into my W7 and check whether the OS recognizes the second drive.

 

[Night Hawk]

You have to go into the bios to set which drive will be the default boot device whenever first adding a new drive on. The exception to that of course would be usb external since plugging one of those in wouldn't offset the boot order.

I looked at some of the ide/sata converters and said no way. With the number of extra drives here I simply wnet for and ide/sata compatible external enclosure for backup on one or more left out of the case as well as popping old ide drives out of old builds for data rescue and wiping clean,

While many are seen for under $20 the better fan cooled enclosures will of course run higher to solve the cooling problem like one seen for $29.99 for both ide and sata that connects by eSata as well as usb. Newegg.com - SABRENT EC-UEIS7 Aluminum 3.5" USB & eSATA External Enclosure

 

[Alsenor]

You have to go into the bios to set which drive will be the default boot device whenever first adding a new drive on.

Should that not be the same as before if I don't change the boot order?

I looked at some of the ide/sata converters and said no way. With the number of extra drives here I simply wnet for and ide/sata compatible external enclosure for backup on one or more left out of the case as well as popping old ide drives out of old builds for data rescue and wiping clean,

While many are seen for under $20 the better fan cooled enclosures will of course run higher to solve the cooling problem like one seen for $29.99 for both ide and sata that connects by eSata as well as usb. Newegg.com - SABRENT EC-UEIS7 Aluminum 3.5" USB & eSATA External Enclosure

I do have an external enclosure that I use for backups, but I am looking for a second drive to run XP on it.

 

[Night Hawk]

Since that model board lacks any ide connection which is what you were looking for there are sata/ide converters for internal as well as external use allowing you to run an ide drive through a sata port. But the best advice would simply move into a second sata drive for XP or split the present up to allow for the dual boot there.

The second method in the guide for setting up a dual boot of XP with 7 is what you would follow for that. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html

As for the boot order getting familiar with things and sub menus most importantly for this found there is the largest help. In most bioses once you have the list of hard drives installed brought up you simply highlight the particular drive and move that to the top of the list using the plus or minus keys on the NumPad section of the keyboard. Usually there's a notation seen to the right on each bios screen with a little info for things there.

 

[Alsenor]

Well, we didn't figure out how to get the old IDE connected or recognized by my OS.
Since my new 500GB WD arrived today, I don't want to waste anyone's time any longer by trying to get the old IDE connected.
Now I have to connect the new SATA, which came without cables.
I have an extra data cable from the IDE/SATA converter board that I can use, and I just ordered a Molex to SATA power adapter cable.
There is another male 8-pin connector on the new drive - what is that for?

 

[DocBrown]

Well, we didn't figure out how to get the old IDE connected or recognized by my OS.
Since my new 500GB WD arrived today, I don't want to waste anyone's time any longer by trying to get the old IDE connected.
Now I have to connect the new SATA, which came without cables.
I have an extra data cable from the IDE/SATA converter board that I can use, and I just ordered a Molex to SATA power adapter cable.
There is another male 8-pin connector on the new drive - what is that for?

Does it look like the 40 pins on the IDE HD. If so it is probably for jumper settings for some type of drive limitations. What exact model # is the New WD HD ?

 

[Alsenor]

This was the item I bought: WD 500GB WD5000AAKS SATA300 7200RPM 16MB OEM - eBay (item 310208387902 end time Aug-17-10 15:54:04 PDT)

 

[Night Hawk]

That's the optional 12v plugin in case your power supply lacks sata type power connectors. You'll see that standard on sata drives while the thinner wider plug is generally used when available. Plus with more then one sata installed you would use the same 12v rail rather then stretching a second one over for the molex type connector.

 

[Alsenor]

Ah, so I won't have to worry about that one. I already ordered 2pcs 6" Molex to SATA Power Adapter Cable New - eBay (item 400131149460 end time Aug-22-10 21:33:35 PDT) today, which should be all I still need. Hope it gets here soon.

 

[Night Hawk]

I have two of the same WD model 500gb drives as well as a 500gb Green Power model still in the old case here. If you present supply lacks the standard sata power connector that will work out. If the supply only has two already taken up then this is also a good move as well since sata is in and ide is eventually phasing out.

 

[Alsenor]

There are six extra 4-pin female Molex connectors spare in my tower, which is more than I should ever need. What do the standard sata power connectors look like?

 

[Night Hawk]

The photo posted earlier is for the 15pin sata power connector. That plugs in to the left of the thinner data cable when looking at the rear of the drive.

You'll notice them on the present drives that are already installed. That will likely have another connector available on the same rail depending on what they put in for a supply. Generally they allow for someone adding a second drive in on most desktop models.

 

[Alsenor]

The photo posted earlier is for the 15pin sata power connector. That plugs in to the left of the thinner data cable when looking at the rear of the drive.

You'll notice them on the present drives that are already installed. That will likely have another connector available on the same rail depending on what they put in for a supply. Generally they allow for someone adding a second drive in on most desktop models.

Yes, that is how I see it, and why I ordered these cables: 2pcs 6" Molex to SATA Power Adapter Cable New - eBay (item 400131149460 end time Aug-22-10 21:33:35 PDT)
Like I said, I have six Molex females on my wire bundle. For future connections I suppose, which I will never need.

 

[Night Hawk]

If you ever plan a server case and only have 6 connectors on a supply but intend 8 drives a few of those will never hurt to have onhand as well as adding in a sata drive with some old supply in an old case where the board has ports but the supply lacks the connectors.

All the new supplies however depending on size small maybe only seeing 4, mid range seeing 6, and extra larger seeing 8 connectors wouldn't be a problem for a new custom case while prebuilds and old pcs can be limited. I don't think you could beat the price seen either!

 

[Alsenor]

I am not likely to ever build a sever, and in my current PC there is only room for 2 drives anyway.

 

[Night Hawk]

Maybe not! That however was just an observation where this type of connector might have a need.

As far as only allowing two HDs! Well that's the trend you can expect to see since drive capcities have certainly increased over the last few years as well as people preferring more compact cases as well as energy saving being built into new systems which companies like!

I'll be dropping the new OS host/boot drive into another new build(microatx mid tower) that only allows two drives there. The one already in is a 1tb drive for storage. The supply however still provides 6 connectors being a 600w supply.

Originally if you had one of the older Sata I and some early Sata II drives you would see the 12v molex connector(pointed to in the attached image) where you now see a gap on that corner.

The other arrows going to the left in reverse order show DM(unused) for drive mode, D for 7pin data cable typically red when ordering a new main board separately, and pwr for power being the 15pin connector you saw posted earlier.

 

[Alsenor]

Yes, it's pretty clear now. The 8-pin drive mode connector had me wondering what it was for.