Is 'Metro' now a banned word at Microsoft?

The Emperor's New Clothes

I can't understand why stuff isn't trialled somewhat similarly before some stupid "suited and booted" manager gives the OK to let the product out of the door.

Argue with the "know-nothing" management and you'll lose your job.

Windows 8 reminds me of "The Emperor's New Clothes".
A vain Emperor who cares for nothing but his appearance and attire hires two tailors who are really swindlers that promise him the finest, best suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is unfit for his position or "just hopelessly stupid". The Emperor cannot see the cloth himself, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing unfit for his position; his ministers do the same.

When the swindlers report that the suit is finished, they mime dressing him and the Emperor then marches in procession before his subjects, who play along with the pretense. Suddenly, a child in the crowd, too young to understand the desirability of keeping up the pretense, blurts out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all and the cry is taken up by others.

The Emperor cringes, suspecting the assertion is true, but holds himself up proudly and continues the procession.
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IMHO it's all about 2 things - 1, change - a majority of humans are opposed to anything new, they are used to dealing and working with something that works for them and their situation. A smaller proportion of people who accept and welcome change and new methods, will work to overcome any problems. Then eventually many will happily accept the results of these endeavours, whilst others will continue to oppose the new. It's called an entrenched position and I may have been guilty of that error myself........

There is truth in what you say, but here's another truth.......
Change for the sake of improvement is one thing, but change just for the sake of change is not always a good thing.

Going from Vista to W7 was change for the sake of improvement. A BIG improvement.
Going from W7 to W8 is change for the sake of change, and Metro (by ANY name) is no improvement for desktop users by any stretch of the imagination.

W8 would've been much more widely accepted if they had offered it with a choice of interface. But instead, they're trying to cram that Metro mess down desktop user's throats, and IMO that was a major mistake.
W8/Metro is just another big Vista failure
 

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90% of computer forums seem to be comprised of hindsight sheep, bandwagoners, and know-it-all personalities. Other than the people that react to "I want to overclock, wut to do?" by saying "you're stupid, don't even bother. it's stupid to do on a laptop", you know... the types that don't know what to do, don't enjoy answering questions, but must put in their 2 cents at any cost by insulting and discouraging people instead of giving any relevant data- the types mentioned above are the 2nd most annoying.

This is ridiculous, all you youngins and casual PC guys- here's a story for you. Vista was a UNIVERSAL failure... there was nothing redeeming about the system. It was hated by all. Yes some hated it blindly and ignorantly, but the ones that actually did use it had every right to complain. From no driver support, to a completely redesigned and disturbingly ugly UI, with buttons and menus replaced with nonsensical and dumbed-down versions every single place you went- up to absolutely crippling features like the UAC that wasn't just some over-hyped complaint, but a ridiculously intrusive, work-stopping problem. The bloat of the OS and absurd minimum requirements made no sense either.

Windows 7 got it right, yeah it took all the 'good' from Vista like it's attempt at a sleeker UI, and more logical places to put menus, but Vista wasn't like a generation-1 iPod that got it aaaalmost right but just needed a little more refinement, it was just a huge pile of vomit with some small pieces of coal Microsoft had to pick out to refine into diamonds.

This is exactly what Metro is, which really sucks... I just think the staff that make the calls at Microsoft are not really the A-team in this generation. Everything since Windows Mobile 6+Vista (so since 2007) has been failure after failure, with the one huge exception and savior being Windows 7. I'm glad they stayed away from the professional market (Server platforms), but from what I'm seeing Metro's even being incorporated to Server 2012.

Another problem- Microsoft advertises its bloatware like its 1st-party malware for every single product it has. Want an MS keyboard? Here's a 100mb driver+app install prompt for you. Want IE9? Of course you do, let MS ask you every time you open up an IE window. How about safety features, phishing filters, privacy protection, default applications, plugin blocking, safesearching? So Metro's an awesome place to throw on insane features like the "store" on the desktop in a professional working environment. Can't wait.

I don't know how hard W8+Metro/WinRT stuff is gonna hurt its marketshare, or what it will do to the computer industry globally. I assume about the same as Vista, so people will just stick with W7 until a nice, refined (hopefully sans-Metro, or at least fully-integrated and not half-and-half chunks of UI) version of the interface and system comes out and saves everyone in a couple years. Maybe this will breed some new Microsoft competitor, some system that actually stands a chance at competing and goes for the same market.

It feels like Microsoft is just desperately trying to say "hey hey I'm creative and hip too!" to combat Apple and Google's platforms, but it's like putting a backwards neon hat and D.A.R.E. shirt on a 60 year old man, throwing a Twitter sticker on his hat and trying to say the same thing. It's just not the right way to go about it, they've got so many other strengths. They should have the business-suit tried-and-true OS, and allow the guys that come to work casual every day and slide from their offices into giant ballpits to get to the kitchen do their own thing. There's really no competing there.

I can't believe anyone that actually has to use computers professionally would stick up for the OS, so I assume everyone loving Vista and this Metro UI doesn't get paid to maintain them as systems.
 

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why can't Microsoft release two different versions of Windows 8.

They can, as far as I know. I haven't heard a programmer type say it's not feasible.

Apparently they won't.

Why wouldn't they?

Only halfway understandable reason I can see is corporate pride (read "hubris")---showing they can enforce their will and won't be cowed into complying with the requests of mere rube users like you and I. Rank paternalism---daddy knows best.

Eat your spinach.

And there may be an element of feigned disdain rather than true disdain for the desktop market. I can imagine some high-level meetings at MS wherein whistling past the graveyard might be seen as cool, particularly if championed by a big cheese---who is likely surrounded by sycophants.

It becomes more understandable to the extent that desktop/laptop users are not the target and to the extent that OEMs will take the brunt of the complaints.

Five years from now we can judge if the disdain was justified.

I read an article a few months ago called "The death of the PC". The premise behind it was that as cloud computing becomes the norm, there will no longer be any need for the traditional desk top. All a person will need is something like a tablet to do everything. Personally I wouldn't like this idea very much, because I do financial stuff on my PC and I wouldn't trust my info to the "clouds" no matter how secure they told me it was.
 

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Mr Gates knew EXACTLY when to go, did he not?

Come back, Bill, all (well OK, some) is forgiven.

Anyone who has been to a top-class English football (sorry America, SOCCER) match, when the manager (coach) is watching his team lose its umpteenth game, will have heard the song: -

♫ "You don't know what you're DOOOOOING!"♫♬

Applies to Ms at this moment in its history.
 

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@onesixski

Vista was a UNIVERSAL failure... there was nothing redeeming about the system

Actually, No.

I am one of many who liked Vista. In fact I have just reinstalled It.

However, plenty didn't like it, and it didn't sell well.


I don't know how hard W8+Metro/WinRT stuff is gonna hurt its marketshare, or what it will do to the computer industry globally. I assume about the same as Vista

Yes, Win8 might not sell well, either. I don't like it very much.
 

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@onesixski

Vista was a UNIVERSAL failure... there was nothing redeeming about the system

Actually, No.

I am one of many who liked Vista. In fact I have just reinstalled It.

However, plenty didn't like it, and it didn't sell well.

Can you back up your opinion with some solid reasons you prefer Vista?
 

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A lot is a matter of personal prefernce.

I like the look of it - which helps.

I never had any problem with it at all.

It always worked well - started up fast - very responsive.

I had 64 bit Vista Home Premium running on an inexpensive machine with 2gb ram.

I don't know why others had issues - but I accept many didn't like it.


It isn't just me - I know a few MBA students from abroad - ( they spend a lot to come to study in London ). Often, they bring a laptop with them. I was surprised to find some of them chose to keep Vista , rather than do the free upgrade to win7 - they say they like it.
 

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Mr Gates knew EXACTLY when to go, did he not?

Come back, Bill, all (well OK, some) is forgiven.

Anyone who has been to a top-class English football (sorry America, SOCCER) match, when the manager (coach) is watching his team lose its umpteenth game, will have heard the song: -

♫ "You don't know what you're DOOOOOING!"♫♬

Applies to Ms at this moment in its history.

Wait, why does the absence of Bill somehow help the reasoning as to why W8 is terrible? I recall Windows ME, Windows Mobile 6, Vista, MS Bob, Zune (arguably), Games for Windows "Live!" and other gaming bloatware platforms MS tried to force on the public... many many apps were quite bad under his reign. This is really just old hat for Microsoft, sometimes they win, sometimes they fail. I don't see how W8 is any different or worse than past failures MS has pushed.
 

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A lot is a matter of personal prefernce.

I like the look of it - which helps.

I never had any problem with it at all.

It always worked well - started up fast - very responsive.

I had 64 bit Vista Home Premium running on an inexpensive machine with 2gb ram.

I don't know why others had issues - but I accept many didn't like it.

I definitely agree it's a matter of preference, but most of those reasons just sound like you're a pretty tolerant person. Nothing specific relating to the changes or advantages it brought from Windows XP, because XP also did exactly what you said there. And being tolerant is great. But if, say you've got a Ford Pinto, what you're saying is it would be like you ignoring all the "exploding bumper" and "ugly as hell" and "quite uncomfortable" complaints from everyone and just going "hey, it gets me from point A to point B". And that's definitely a great outlook to have, but no matter what, there were some pretty huge flaws in Vista you can choose to overlook or not. But that doesn't mean they weren't there... aka that Pinto could still explode haha.
 
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90% of computer forums seem to be comprised of hindsight sheep, bandwagoners, and know-it-all personalities. Other than the people that react to "I want to overclock, wut to do?" by saying "you're stupid, don't even bother. it's stupid to do on a laptop", you know... the types that don't know what to do, don't enjoy answering questions, but must put in their 2 cents at any cost by insulting and discouraging people instead of giving any relevant data- the types mentioned above are the 2nd most annoying.

Uh...
So many things, but we'll just deal with the first thing.
Are you actually suggesting people overclock their laptops?
...because it is dangerous and stupid.
I've seen dozens of very expensive laptops completely destroyed because the user decided to overclock them.

It would remiss of me not to tell someone that before they attempt to do so themselves. There is also the little fact that most of them couldn't be bothered to google even a few basics before running here to ask me how to overclock. If you are as much the poweruser / administrator you make yourself out to be, you should already know these people are generally minors using their parents computers. I'm not going to tell some kid how to destroy mom's desktop. In an attempt to play a game that won't run on their system anyway.

I don't support vista, next to ME I think it's the biggest fail windows of all time.
ME winning only slightly there as it just never did work right at all while they did eventually manage to get vista running right.

I do think Vista has some sort of nostalgia to everyone.
...and not unlike old robocop movies people seem to remember them as being a hell of a lot better than they actually were.
 

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Well awesome reply Magus, no joke haha. For one though, obviously everyone has their own take and personal opinions on... everything in the world. However, forcing yours or discouraging others is what I'm getting at about the laptop overclocking. Yes of course it's not smart to overclock a laptop in most cases, but who are you to decide whether the person on the other end is smart or not? They're asking a question, I believe everyone deserves the right to do what they want. For all you know they're a professional overclocker trying to break records on a laptop chipset by using a full air conditioned enclosure. A warning beforehand is always smart, I mean without that it's like if a guy came on saying "hey I just got this stun gun, I've got some experience on them but I'm trying to see how to up the voltage" and you saying "Well first thing's first, don't even pick it up till you know how to use it"... fair enough. The type of person that I am would still answer the question though, if I knew the answer. There's no need to assume "this guy's obviously retarded, I'm not even gonna allow him to attempt it". I just prefer not to be belittled or have my intelligence/common sense insulted because some guy on a computer is worried I might be too stupid to know what I'm doing, and I treat others the same way. You ask questions on forums to learn and get answers, not to be denied and told off. That's what parents are for.

You're completely right, many many people may ask how to 'overclock a laptop' or some other seemingly ridiculous topic because they have no idea what they're asking, but others actually do know what they're talking about and just want some input on their setup just like any conventional overclocker would. This laptop thing is all just one example because the personality I'm referring to does this "don't even bother idiot" response to any strange-sounding question. It's like saying "I'm going to the shooting range" and you would respond with "woah WOAH, you're not going anywhere. Guns KILL people idiot". Everyone learns from experience- and most people have enough common sense to understand the risks, they don't need to take your all-knowing word for it. Darwinism kicks in when they get too stupid.

I really like that you stood up on the other side of that argument though, I understand the outlook from your side a lot better than I used to now. I just assumed everyone that said "no dummy" was a jerk trying to annoy the question-asker.
 

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Usually when I say no to someone in a situation like that, it's largely to keep them from causing themselves problems yes.
When it comes to overclocking I will generally just advise they be as careful as possible when trying.
I myself don't give overclocking advice based largely on the fact that even when it's done properly it will reduce the lifespan of components. On all but the heftiest of systems, which is not usually what you see the people asking that question have. usually they have a old dated computer they are trying to get to do stuff it was never made for in the first place.

I don't tell people no, I simply let someone else help them.
 

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OK thanks to this thread I've made Win8 tolerable with Classic Shell, replacing the metrosexual Start menu with the Win7-style Aero Start menu button on the task bar, at defaults.

The only thing that's missing is the Computer menu choice in the right column which I use a lot. Why would they leave this off when it's one of the most used choices on the Start Menu? I cannot find how to add it in any of the customization menus? Help! :confused:
 
:roflmao:
 

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Thanks Si. That pins it to the left side of the Start menu and gives me right-clickability to Manage and Properties as needed.

But what's missing is the menu foldout given if on the right side. Is there a way to move it over there and add a menu? Hate to be picky but I use it many times per day. I wonder why they'd leave something so important out. Maybe they needed you to write some code. ;)
 
Do you mean like this?

2012-08-23_041636.jpg

That's odd - I thought the reg file would do that - perhaps I made a mistake in it.
 

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Hey it popped over there perfectly after a restart. I've got it looking almost exactly like Win7 now.

Thanks, Si ! :thumbsup:

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Waiting to see if it populates Most Used Programs. Any other suggestions?
 
You're welcome Greg.
 

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