looking for better monitors

[Thornton]

not sure when i ll be ready to buy, but im looking for a 120htz monitor, preferably not 3d, i think the concept is cool, but i dont game in 3d enough for it to really matter, so im gunna go with not 3d for now. id settle for less than 120htz if its not dooable, but i want a reel smooth, clean, crisp picture, the kind you just dont get with 60/70 htz monitors.

i looked at acer and view sonic, not much, my budget isnt really set cuz i dont plan on buying soon, other prioritys, i just wanna go over my options, but i want to try to keep it as close to 300 or less without being the cheapest thing ever if possible, id like 23"/24" but id settle for 22" if it would be the difference in price. prefferably 1080p 16:9 but would do 1200p 8:5 seeing as how it is a more common resolution in games and is there fore often less expensive.

thanks for the help, dont feel like you cant help me cuz my price is $50-$100 off or somthing or other, these are not limitations to my search, just preferences. once again ty and sorry for being mr block of text

 

[DeaconFrost]

I don't get into the specs like the hertz much because I frankly don't think it makes that big of a deal. I generally stuck to Dell screens for my LCDs, or Samsungs if I go away from Dell. The human eye can't detect anything passed 60 hz from what I understand, so I never saw the point of running much higher. I've had 120 hz monitors in front of me, and they don't look any different...especially for a computer monitor. If you buy a quality monitor, you can get a clean crisp image regardless of the hz ratings.

 

[Thornton]

I don't get into the specs like the hertz much because I frankly don't think it makes that big of a deal. I generally stuck to Dell screens for my LCDs, or Samsungs if I go away from Dell. The human eye can't detect anything passed 60 hz from what I understand, so I never saw the point of running much higher. I've had 120 hz monitors in front of me, and they don't look any different...especially for a computer monitor. If you buy a quality monitor, you can get a clean crisp image regardless of the hz ratings.

im talking motion image, to make sure we are on the same page... a monitor with higher htz can be much smoother when game play is well over 60fps.

you might not be able to see it, blame that on your eyes, not mine, i can see the difference from a mile away, granted i also pull almost 20/20 vison.

AAx will not need to be as high to look good with a higher htz monitor, and someone who knows how it works knows that. the edges will look smoother and sharper, less blurry, on a 60/70 htz monitor it will be blurry and only crisp and clean when it is horizontal or vertical.

playing animations such as blue ray on a 120htz monitor is much cleaner, why do you think people pay so much to go see i max. the screen size is mostly meant to be catered to the crowed size, its not what makes i max i max. what makes i max i max, is the fact that it is made with a camera that records at such a high frame rate that the image looks smoother... crisper... and cleaner... blame that on digital technolagy my friend.

anyways, if anyone has PRODUCTIVE comment, id appreciate it




also, i have 3 quallity monitors, althou still hp, they seem to do what you describe, i just want better

 

[DeaconFrost]

you might not be able to see it, blame that on your eyes, not mine, i can see the difference from a mile away, granted i also pull almost 20/20 vison.

It's actually a limitation of the human eye.

You also are jumping all over the place. You aren't looking for an iMax screen. You are looking for computer monitors. There's a big difference.

Now, you want a productive comment? I am an IT Director, who is solely in charge of equipment purchasing for my company. I had several monitors sent in from one of my parts vendors, and set them up for my graphic design / media content team. For computer usage, you are spending money for no return. If you get a quality monitor and tune it properly, the human eye isn't going to be able to detect the differences.

However, you clearly aren't willing to listen to someone trying to save you some cash...so do as you may. It's your money being wasted, not mine.

By the way, HP does make some nice monitors, and I got to use some of them in my 5+ of working for HP. However, the Dell UltraSharp line puts them to shame.

 

[DMHolt57]

Check this deal, I just ordered two...

Samsung T24A550 24 Class Widescreen LED Backlit HDTV/Monitor - 1080p, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, Mega Dynamic Contrast Ratio, 5ms, HDMI, VGA, USB, Energy Star (Refurbished) at TigerDirect.com

 

[pparks1]

If you want better monitors, invest in IPS panels instead of TN panels. Something like the Dell U2410 ($550-$600). Or if you want to cut down the price a bit, the U2312HM is around $299 for a 23" IPS display.

 

[IIllytch321]

I thought they sell some monitors/tvs that can change via user input whether it interpolates the second image (making it 120Hz) or not. So in the case of watching sports or some fast action gameplay or for whatever reason (because we, as humans, tend to bicker over the minutiae of life, big deal) you want it 120Hz at some point and not another, you could change it at your whim.

Or maybe it came to me in a dream?

I must admit, there is a subtle difference between 60 and 120Hz in fast motion, but I guess I don't care enough to pay that extra money for it. I'd rather use that extra money that they would charge to have a bigger screen, hd capability, better warranty, and maybe faster response time. I mean, crap, get the 240Hz screens if you care so much about it, heh.

 

[Thornton]

you might not be able to see it, blame that on your eyes, not mine, i can see the difference from a mile away, granted i also pull almost 20/20 vison.

It's actually a limitation of the human eye.

You also are jumping all over the place. You aren't looking for an iMax screen. You are looking for computer monitors. There's a big difference.

Now, you want a productive comment? I am an IT Director, who is solely in charge of equipment purchasing for my company. I had several monitors sent in from one of my parts vendors, and set them up for my graphic design / media content team. For computer usage, you are spending money for no return. If you get a quality monitor and tune it properly, the human eye isn't going to be able to detect the differences.

However, you clearly aren't willing to listen to someone trying to save you some cash...so do as you may. It's your money being wasted, not mine.

By the way, HP does make some nice monitors, and I got to use some of them in my 5+ of working for HP. However, the Dell UltraSharp line puts them to shame.

this isnt about me being willing to listen or not, and thats what your not getting. they dont make 120hz tvs cuz there is no demand for it. what you are relaying back to me is a myth that was created a long time ago when they first became big. your talking to an ADD graphic designer who can spot the tiniest difference from a mile away if its worth looking for. to me it is. i refference i max to expand my point, that it is a worth while investment, if our eyes are as limited as you say they are, everybody would limit them selves to digital theater instead. i only brought up the size of an i max to say that that was not the focus of my point.

If you put a 120hz monitor in front of me without telling me, i could tell you if it is or is not. like i said, it is a limmitation to the AVERAGE human eye, not mine.

i will look into the ultrasharp, and keep in mind what i am saying, you are making a very broad statement. they wouldnt make it if it didnt serve a purpose

 

[Nitro58]

I don't understand why you asked for any input/advise, you already seem to know what you want.

 

[Thornton]

I don't understand why you asked for any input/advise, you already seem to know what you want.

well i said that with the the thought that it would be understood that trying to explain the reasons why im wrong for wanting a 120hz monitor wouldnt go over well. im open to suggestions, i was thinking more allong the lines of ""it might be hard to find a 120hz monitor without 3d like you say, you might find it easier to buy * and do * to it"" if you know what im trying to get at. i am not as against the 60hz monitor thing iether, but clearly the setup i have is not good enough to measure up to the quality of a 120hz, so if someone can explain to me how i could achieve this, i might be less inclined to give a reply someone doesnt want to here. if you are just getting frustrated at the concept that anyone could want a 120hz monitor, and you act on that, instead of trying to explain a better solution, YOUR NOT HELPING lol

 

[whs]

In Germany I saw flat panel TVs with 600Hz. No idea whether similar sets are available in the US, but if they are, that may be an alternative.

 

[Thornton]

In Germany I saw flat panel TVs with 600Hz. No idea whether similar sets are available in the US, but if they are, that may be an alternative.

holy * now that would be a treat now wouldnt it lol

 

[alishathomaz]

Better monitor

A monitor with higher htz can be much cleaner when game play is well over 60fps. Also it would be more cleaner while playing high animations like Blue ray.

 

[Thornton]

A monitor with higher htz can be much cleaner when game play is well over 60fps. Also it would be more cleaner while playing high animations like Blue ray.

that was my point from the beginning, dont recall if i made it lol, thanks for backing me up lol...

 

[DeaconFrost]

A monitor with higher htz can be much cleaner when game play is well over 60fps. Also it would be more cleaner while playing high animations like Blue ray.

You are falling into the marketing tactics, however. If it is above the limitations of the human eye, it won't matter.

Here's the best analogy I've ever read on the subject. If you are looking at two cars, one can do 170 mph and the other can do 190 mph (but costs 20% more), which one do you buy? The answer is...it doesn't matter, and you focus on other features to make the decision.

 

[Thornton]

A monitor with higher htz can be much cleaner when game play is well over 60fps. Also it would be more cleaner while playing high animations like Blue ray.

You are falling into the marketing tactics, however. If it is above the limitations of the human eye, it won't matter.

Here's the best analogy I've ever read on the subject. If you are looking at two cars, one can do 170 mph and the other can do 190 mph (but costs 20% more), which one do you buy? The answer is...it doesn't matter, and you focus on other features to make the decision.

i am going to try and step back, cuz despite my efforts, your not getting it, but i need to tell you, that is a bad analogy. i would pay extra for 20mph more, granted not on a car that cheap, more likely 180mph-200mph, believe me i would notice the difference! its not about how fast my eyes can see, thats what you dont seem to know about these monitors, you can lower the AAx, increase the AFx and if you are running a game, lets say, 90fps, cuz ur using 2 graphics cards OCd, the fact the it has a split second extra to render that extra 30 frames, means that it now its not making a blury, jumbled up soup of the extra frames it cant render as it doesnt have time to do so, meaning, whether we NOTICE or not, we do SEE it, and the outcome is NOTICEABLE. and it works also for games running under 60fps too which is the mericle here!

when i was younger i could look closely and actually count out the frames as a show on tv whent by, i can still do it, i can tell a 5fps difference in a game, despite people telling me i cant, i can do allot of things, visually, and audibly, that people say you just cant, and im not the only one, these tests are made by doctors with no actual experience themselves, they are testing if our eyes or minds or ears work differently than someone who cant, if they dont, than its ""not possible!"" and thats where these misconceptions come from! actually also some guy in his basement with now job who just went ""hmmmmm... NOPE"" and said it wasnt humanly possible to sound smart, lol

 

[whs]

Here is some more info that may help you. On the second Panasonic read the details explanations that are on the left side of the 'details' page. And the last page explains the technology used.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P65ST30-65-Inch-Plasma/dp/B004MME76U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331315879&sr=8-1

http://www.bizrate.com/television-tv/2437795922/index__ctr_brand--43064__ctr_pos--BR%3BUS%3B7S%3Bhot%2FHotRedesignSRP%3B1%3B30%3BProductListPod%3Bproductpod%2Ftest%2FProductPodRedesignCatS6904%3Bvisible%3B2%3B__ctr_rel--274.255127.html#details

http://www.tvlampsnbulbs.com/2009/03/what-does-600hz-subfield-motion-mean/

 

[Thornton]

Here is some more info that may help you. On the second Panasonic read the details explanations that are on the right side of the 'details' page. And the last page explains the technology used.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P65ST30-65-Inch-Plasma/dp/B004MME76U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331315879&sr=8-1

http://www.bizrate.com/television-tv/2437795922/index__ctr_brand--43064__ctr_pos--BR%3BUS%3B7S%3Bhot%2FHotRedesignSRP%3B1%3B30%3BProductListPod%3Bproductpod%2Ftest%2FProductPodRedesignCatS6904%3Bvisible%3B2%3B__ctr_rel--274.255127.html#details

http://www.tvlampsnbulbs.com/2009/03/what-does-600hz-subfield-motion-mean/

that is genius! thats not even working like a normal still frame still frame, i love it lol

 

[whs]

I hope you can make some use of it. There are quite a few models at different prices. Just Google 600 hertz TV

 

[DeaconFrost]

i am going to try and step back, cuz despite my efforts, your not getting it, but i need to tell you, that is a bad analogy. i would pay extra for 20mph more, granted not on a car that cheap, more likely 180mph-200mph, believe me i would notice the difference!

I'm not getting it? That example works perfectly. If the speed limit is 65 mph on a highway around here, and I drive at 75 mph....there's no way the upper limit of their speed capabilities come into play. It's a perfectly legit example, and one used by trade mags and review sites quite often. If you would be a person who'd pay extra for a that feature, knowing full well you'd never drive anywhere near that speed, then you have some major money management issues.

If you want to sit there and claim you have mutant, superhuman vision capabilities, then so be it. Spend the extra money. I was trying to explain something to you to save you some cash...something that 99% of the members on this board would appreciate. (And do, by evidence of the rep I've gotten from my comments here). However, if you want to fall into the very small, but increasing percentage of people asking for help than copping a 'tude with those willing to respond...then all I have to say is good luck to you. Just remember going forward...when you ask for help...you might not always like the answers you get back..but that doesn't make people wrong, or give you a position to say "someone just doesn't get it".