Microsoft: here's the new reality of Windows patches

[Layback Bear]

Steve may have a correct idea about P2P on your network. From one of your computers to the rest of the computer on your internal network/domain.

I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.

I couldn't believe Microsoft would except counterfeit Windows 7 for free Updates to W-10 but they did.

Microsoft will do any thing and I mean anything to get people off of Windows 7 and locked into W-10. Heads will roll in the board room if W-10 doesn't bring in revenue in huge amounts. So I believe the tricks so far are just the the tip of the ice burg of tricks to come from Microsoft.

I just today read on this forum today that Microsoft is going to bundle updates for W-10 and that includes Enterprise.
You take the (Good, Bad and Ugly) as a bundle or you get nothing.
The average user might fall for this method but Enterprise customers are going to start screaming very loud. One of the updates in the bundle might have been found by the I.T. department to screw up their setup and they don't want it. So they can't get the updates they want unless they take the junk also. That boat is not going to float.
If they also start using this bundle update in Windows 7 we are in deep do do.

Every few days Microsoft comes up with some ding a ling idea. I can't wait for the next one.

 

[derekimo]

I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.

Windows Update Delivery Optimization: FAQ - Windows Help

From this tutorial,

Windows Update - Choose how you Download in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

 

[FerchogtX]

How sad is to see this politics, Nadela is way worse than Ballmer was...
Windows, as we know it, is dying slowly and becoming more a tool for draining personal data for money than an OS...

 

[DavidE]

A computer on your home network can get updates from any other computer on your network running the same OS. It keeps your internet from having to download the same update over and over for every computer.

I'm all for that, download once for all home PC's.
Do i have to make any special settings for this to work ?

For years i've been
- update W7 x64 on PC2 and that downloads/installs the updates.
- a week later update W7 x64 on PC1 and that downloads/installs the same updates again.

Can i set it so i only download once for both W7 x64 OS's, and only install PC1 updates with the PC2 downloads?

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

How sad is to see this politics, Nadela is way worse than Ballmer was...
Windows, as we know it, is dying slowly and becoming more a tool for draining personal data for money than an OS...

I totally agree about Nutella being worse than Ballsmore. When I first heard Nutella was replacing Ballsmore, I was worried about it because he was the head of cloud development and would want to send MSpy more into cloud computing. If only that was the only danger. Nutella has his head in the clouds and is completely oblivious to reality and what life is for non-geeks; in other words, the majority of the world. He is has already come under fire for his naivety and condescending attitude on women's rights in the workplace. He has no clue about how many people do not have access to affordable, unlimited internet access and how the existing internet infrastructure worldwide will not be able to support his dreams for cloud based computing for decades, if ever. Despite the dream world he lives in within his personal cloud, he also realizes that the majority of people (sheeple) are easy marks and will take whatever is thrown at them simply because they do not know better. That makes Nutella a very dangerous man and he scares me witless.

 

[rawshark]

I don't know if this has been posted anywhere but Susan Bradley created a petition to convince microsoft to revise their policy regarding forced windows 10 updates - https://www.change.org/p/satya-nadella-microsoft-what-computer-users-want-changed-in-windows-10 - she goes in to her reasoning here - Suggestions for a more dependable Windows 10

I would add to that microsoft's persistent malware attempts to trick 7 & 8.1 users to install 10 and them not honouring your privacy opt-out choices - Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can?t stop talking to Microsoft | Ars Technica UK

 

[groze]

Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain

Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Why would anybody trust a W-10 update using P2P. How would one know if the P2P update was tampered with?

It's not the protocol's fault that some people package malware and distribute it using P2P.
Malware predates torrents and you can still get malware today without using torrent files.

Obviously if you never use torrents then you can't get malware from a torrented file, but that doesn't mean you can't get infected by something else.

Assuming that it works like standard torrent files, if you got the "main control file" from MS, then it should contain security numbers (hashes?) for the individual pieces.
If the "hashes" don't match, I don't think that the pieces will be merged into the final file (they will be marked as corrupted).

As with all downloads, it depends on the trustworthiness of the site (and how good the site's security procedures are).

As far as I'm concerned P2P and Torrents are NOT to be trusted. Many infection are passed around the world using P2P and Torrents.

TCP and UDP are the main protocols used to deliver malware from the Internet.

 

[Layback Bear]

No where did I state, indicate, stipulate in any fashion that a P2P or a Torrent is the only way one can get a computing device infected.
I know better than to make such a suggestion.

From post #2


Quote:
Originally Posted by Layback Bear
Why would anybody trust a W-10 update using P2P. How would one know if the P2P update was tampered with?

It's not the protocol's fault that some people package malware and distribute it using P2P.
Malware predates torrents and you can still get malware today without using torrent files[/QUOTE]

 

[groze]

Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain

Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.

Aside from my question above I just had a scary thought. What if Microsoft started doing cumulative updates for windows 7 & 8.x operating system aside from Internet explorer.

No way pick which updates you want to install.

edit :banghead: I didn't see someone already posted that.

 

[sverne]

With time, it is becoming more obvious that MS is up to no good. It wants to eliminate 7 (try windows 7 updates and wait 5 hours to download, etc), and only have win10. Best to protect oneself by Brink's removal method, since MS seems intent on spying and controlling your PC.
From InfoWorld: 10 reasons you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 10 | InfoWorld

 

[jonnyhillow]

Steve may have a correct idea about P2P on your network. From one of your computers to the rest of the computer on your internal network/domain.

I have not found any exact information from Microsoft explaining what their P2P Update method contains. What it does or doesn't do.
Getting information out of Microsoft lately is like getting blood out of a well done steak.

I couldn't believe Microsoft would except counterfeit Windows 7 for free Updates to W-10 but they did.

Microsoft will do any thing and I mean anything to get people off of Windows 7 and locked into W-10. Heads will roll in the board room if W-10 doesn't bring in revenue in huge amounts. So I believe the tricks so far are just the the tip of the ice burg of tricks to come from Microsoft.

I just today read on this forum today that Microsoft is going to bundle updates for W-10 and that includes Enterprise.
You take the (Good, Bad and Ugly) as a bundle or you get nothing.
The average user might fall for this method but Enterprise customers are going to start screaming very loud. One of the updates in the bundle might have been found by the I.T. department to screw up their setup and they don't want it. So they can't get the updates they want unless they take the junk also. That boat is not going to float.
If they also start using this bundle update in Windows 7 we are in deep do do.

Every few days Microsoft comes up with some ding a ling idea. I can't wait for the next one.

I agree , they are completely out of control and need to be beat about the head and face area and then disposed of down an abandoned mining shaft .

If that doesn't work i may have to resort to violence , they better leave Win 7 alone because there is a huge influx of new Linux users everyday because of their BS .

If not Win 7 then it will be Linux in some flavor because Win 10 blows .

 

[spc3rd]

Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain

Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.

Hi groze,

This is just to mention some info regarding your question about an ICD being a "computer"; The device does have a programmable computer chip inside it. For reference, I've included a link below to info on the National Institutes of Health's website:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/icd/howdoes

[Scroll down to the 5th paragraph on the page]

(I've been doing considerable reading on it lately, due to being newly-diagnosed with ventricular tachycardia (V-tach, for short), and may end up needing one implanted).

Cheers!

 

[groze]

Windows 10 puts certain verticals in a very tight place," said Goettl in an interview this month, citing healthcare as an example. Failing to keep a medical device up to date, for instance, voids FDA approval. "But if an update includes five ( security )bulletins, and one of those breaks the medical device, you can't apply the whole ( cumulative ) roll-out, and you've broken that chain

Is a pacemaker and/or a implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD) a computer? I wish the article was more specific on what personal medical devices they were talking about.

Hi groze,

This is just to mention some info regarding your question about an ICD being a "computer"; The device does have a programmable computer chip inside it. For reference, I've included a link below to info on the National Institutes of Health's website:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/icd/howdoes

[Scroll down to the 5th paragraph on the page]

(I've been doing considerable reading on it lately, due to being newly-diagnosed with ventricular tachycardia (V-tach, for short), and may end up needing one implanted).

Cheers!

spc3rd, sorry to hear that. I may need pacemaker myself or a cardioversion* in the future. I have chronic afib. I had a maze procedure & aortic valve replacement (cow-sorry vegetarians (No I don't moo)) in Nov 2013. The maze procedure didn't work. Some medications has helped. I am now reconsidering the cardioversion again. I don't want to do an ablation that is considered inpatient. I couldn't afford the inpatient stay. ICD & Pacemaker can be done on an out-patient basis. The insurance I have covers for all Medical needed services except vision, 3 pints of blood, dental and discharge day if you are an inpatient. I don't have to worry right know about deductibles or copay's or premiums


*I have heard there are new types of cardioversion now. I know of 2 types electrical shock (Basically) & iv drugs.

 

[michael diemer]

If m$ plans to eliminate W7, I'm all set. Already have Ubuntu 14.04 and Zorin 9 up and running (on Zorin currently). And on my music rig, I can use W7 indefinitely. Just stop updating it, once the point of no return is reached (if that is where this is going). I can keep that machine offline, so it can have W7 forever. I would ditch W7 entirely, if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.

 

[Iforgot]

if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.

JRiver has a Linux version

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

if it were not for the lack of suitable music creation software that runs on Linux.

JRiver has a Linux version

JRiver is just an overglorified Media Center. When I think of music creation software, I think of software like sequencers and music notation software. The two giants in music notation software, Finale and Sibelius (which have replaced manual engraving for creating sheet music and aren't bad sequencers, too), can't be even approached in capability by software that is Linux compatible.

 

[michael diemer]

Regarding music creation software, it is true that there are Linux versions. My situation is that I work with notes, but on Sonar, a sequencer/DAW. Then I export to Notion, a notation system. Sonar's notation, while good for working, is not suitable for producing a score. Now, I know about Ardour, Rosegarden, etc. The first has no notation to work in, the second does not work with my sample libraries (and most people can't get it to work period). There is one pro level DAW, Bitwig, that runs on any OS, including Linux. but it does not have notation. One hope down the road: Reaper, a DAW, kind of works on Linux, and is rumored to be interested in making that native. It is also working on getting a staff view. Believe me, I have researched this stuff. I know the options (I do appreciate the desire to help, but as I said, I already have this covered). So until a solution becomes available, I can safely work on sonar and Notion, in W7, as long as I need to. I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.

 

[groze]

I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.

I don't think Microsoft would make windows 7 or 8.1 unusable. Remember, some computers that have 7 and possibly even 8.x can't be upgraded to windows 10 do to hardware or software issues.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Regarding music creation software, it is true that there are Linux versions. My situation is that I work with notes, but on Sonar, a sequencer/DAW. Then I export to Notion, a notation system. Sonar's notation, while good for working, is not suitable for producing a score. Now, I know about Ardour, Rosegarden, etc. The first has no notation to work in, the second does not work with my sample libraries (and most people can't get it to work period). There is one pro level DAW, Bitwig, that runs on any OS, including Linux. but it does not have notation. One hope down the road: Reaper, a DAW, kind of works on Linux, and is rumored to be interested in making that native. It is also working on getting a staff view. Believe me, I have researched this stuff. I know the options (I do appreciate the desire to help, but as I said, I already have this covered). So until a solution becomes available, I can safely work on sonar and Notion, in W7, as long as I need to. I'll just "freeze" my W7 before M$ renders it unusable.

That, or similar, is probably what I'm going to do. I need to look into the possibility of having one of the flavors Linux installed on my machine and run Win 7 in a VM that is isolated from the internet for the programs I have that won't run in Linux.

What worries me right now is I need to come up with a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Standard XI, preferably one that will work in Linux. It's EOL is 10/15/2017 and its replacement is cloud based, which is a no go for me.