MINI ITX Build VERY Strange problems

[Britton30]

Sisrace is not working on the system in his specs John.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Sisrace is not working on the system in his specs John.

Ok mate I'll drop out cos it has lost me a bit

 

[Layback Bear]

From post # 13 by Sisrace.

And yes the Bios thing i did should not have anything to do with this.

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

Sisrace we are trying to help you. Your post are very confusing to me.
So we can try and get us all on the same page please do this in the order you did things.

1. Let us know exactly what hardware and system you started with.
2. Let us know exactly what you did or change and what was the results using that hardware and operating system.
3. Let us know exactly what hardware you have now and exactly how it is working or not working.

We need to know exactly most everything so we can give you exact recommendations.

 

[sisrace]

Old cpu: Amd A10 7700KNew cpu: Amd A10 6800K
Motherboard unchanged
Operating system we were going to install: windows 7 but we had no chance to install becouse the computer stopped responding to anything.


We first installed the " old cpu " but we had this problem with no video signal. we sent the old cpu back and got the new cpu that was compatible with the bios. everything worked. then after restart it stoped giving video signals. there!

No need for being rude.

If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Therefore I believe you installed the "new" CPU improperly somehow, or bent the pins. You said you didn't restart from scratch, I think it's time you did, carefully examining the CPU pins, reattaching all the power connectors, RAM, GPU, etc. The CPU should fall into its socket with no pressure at all.

The 6800K should work with any BIOS for the board, see snip.

View attachment 312173

What BIOS version do you have now?

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Oh sorry if i came up as beeing rude. Didnt mean it

 

[sisrace]

From post # 13 by Sisrace.

And yes the Bios thing i did should not have anything to do with this.

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

Sisrace we are trying to help you. Your post are very confusing to me.
So we can try and get us all on the same page please do this in the order you did things.

1. Let us know exactly what hardware and system you started with.
2. Let us know exactly what you did or change and what was the results using that hardware and operating system.
3. Let us know exactly what hardware you have now and exactly how it is working or not working.

We need to know exactly most everything so we can give you exact recommendations.

Hardware:
1000Gb SSHD
Be-Quiet Pure power L8 630W
Fractal Design Define Node
Noctua 120mm PWM ( For water cooler )
Coolermaster Seidon 120v
Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
AMD A10 6800K
8Gb 1600Mhz Crucial Ballistics Ram


What i've tryed:
Changing out Ram sticks in every possible way and also tryed with my 16gb Crucial Ballistics Ram kit
Checked Power Connectors Over and over again
Tryed to use Unboard graphics and Gpu graphics multiple times
Tryed hdmi out, Dvi out and Vga out.
Tryed every Usb port but no signal
Checked The cpu pins very VERY carefully. Its completely fine nothing suspicious
The Psu i have used in my system without any sort of problems whatsoever so the psu is also Fine

( The thing thats weird was that it worked COMPLETELY fine and then just. Meh it died. it starts and the fans are spinning and rampig up normally. But no signals what so ever )

 

[Layback Bear]

From my post. This information is needed.

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

Let me try to be more exact.
Do this.

Starting hardware.
1. CPU
2. Motherboard
3. Ram
4. Video card
5. Power supply
ect.

Parts changed for testing and the results.
A.
B.
C.
ect.

Parts the computer has now.
A. CPU
B. Motherboard
C. Ram
D. Video card
E. Power supply
ect.
I'm trying to figure at what stage things went to hell in a hand basket.

 

[sisrace]

From my post #23

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

I Increased the cpu fan thing to increase 1% rpm per degree c instead of the stock 0.75% fan increase per degree c.

Also yes i got the manual here

 

[Layback Bear]

Please answer all my questions. I will not ask again. Your choice.
Changing the fan speed did not cause your problem.

 

[sisrace]

From my post. This information is needed.

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

Let me try to be more exact.
Do this.

Starting hardware.
1. CPU
2. Motherboard
3. Ram
4. Video card
5. Power supply
ect.

Parts changed for testing and the results.
A.
B.
C.
ect.

Parts the computer has now.
A. CPU
B. Motherboard
C. Ram
D. Video card
E. Power supply
ect.
I'm trying to figure at what stage things went to hell in a hand basket.

So specific i can:

Starting Hardware:
1: Cpu: AMD A10 7700K
2: Mobo. Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
3: Ram: Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600Mhz CL9 8Gb kit 2x4
4: gpu: Gigabyte GTX 650 2Gb GGDR5
5: Psu: Be-Quiet Pure Power L8 630W
6: Case: Fractal Define Node Black
7: Cooler: Coolermaster Seidon 120V with noctua 120mm PWM for the radiator
( Did use another cooler at the first. But it didnt even fit at all so im not even counting it in. but becouse i want to be as specific as possible im telling you this.. )
8: 1Tb SSHD Seagate

Parts changed for testing and the results:
A: Motherboard ( Changed it to the exact same . We thought it was defective )
Result: No change, Still no signals
B: Cpu ( Same as above )
Result: No change, Still no signals
C: Cpu ( From 7700K To 6800K )
Result: Signals,
What we did: Change Fan control from 0.75Pwm per c to 1.0Pwm per c
restarted for settings to take action, System yelled it wanted an operating system.
We took out the drive. Plugged it into my computer and i Formated the disc to then be able to use the Corsair Cloning Kit to transfer everything from his old drive to his new drive. Drive wasent detected by the Corsair software.. We thought to just not care for that now and we plugged in his old WD Black 1tb drive with operating system. The computer now stopped giving signals... this is where it all whent to hell..

After it whent to hell changing list:
A: changing Harddrives from his new and his old drive and also tryed using my own 1Tb Seagate SSHD with windows 8.1,
Results: No signals
B: Changing ram sticks. 4Gb single channel on both the DDR3 1 and DDR3 2 ports on the board
results: No signals
C: Using my crucial ballistix sports 16Gb kit 2x8Gb Dual channel and Single channel on both ram ports:
Result: No signals
D: Checking all power connections over and over again
Result: No signals
E: Taking out the gpu
Result: No signals
F: Testing every Video out connector and every Usb connector possible with multiple monitors mice and keyboards
Results: No signals.

Parts the computer has now:
1: Cpu: AMD A10 6800K
2: Mobo. Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
3: Ram: Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600Mhz CL9 8Gb kit 2x4
4: gpu: Gigabyte GTX 650 2Gb GGDR5
5: Psu: Be-Quiet Pure Power L8 630W
6: Case: Fractal Define Node Black
7: Cooler: Coolermaster Seidon 120V with noctua 120mm PWM for the radiator
8: 1Tb SSHD Seagate

Hope this is good enough

 

[Layback Bear]

The best information I have found is your cpu and motherboard combo are not meant to be. AMD sure runs you around through the briers to find out any information.
From post #29

2: Mobo. Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI

My findings.

GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket FM2 - GA-F2A85X-UP4 (rev. 1.0)



Motherboard Model GA-F2A85X-UP4
PCB 1.0
vendor CPU Model Frequency L2
Cache L3
Cache GPU
Frequency Core Name Process Stepping Wattage Since BIOS Version
AMD A10-6800K 4100MHz 1MBx4 N/A 844 MHz Richland 32nm A1 100W F4

GIGABYTE TECHNOLOGY Socket FM2 - AMD A85X - GA-F2A85X-UP4 (rev. 1.0)

 

[BlueGuy]

Layback, you're right, the boy is mixing Radeon with NVidia, for starters, which is why I've avoided the 'A' series. Still build with AMD, I just don't buy the 'A' series. The Radeon is built-in to the A-series.
AMD A-Series APU Processors
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...25444&ef_id=UxOmkgAABVlfRKij:20140330224529:s
2008 was the last time I had a build fire up without seeing the bios.
Turned out that the now out-of-business Ram vendor sold me two sticks
out of four that were no more useful than carpenter's nails. ie dead.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

From my post. This information is needed.

What bios thing did you do?
Do you have the motherboard manual?

Let me try to be more exact.
Do this.

Starting hardware.
1. CPU
2. Motherboard
3. Ram
4. Video card
5. Power supply
ect.

Parts changed for testing and the results.
A.
B.
C.
ect.

Parts the computer has now.
A. CPU
B. Motherboard
C. Ram
D. Video card
E. Power supply
ect.
I'm trying to figure at what stage things went to hell in a hand basket.

Well I said I would stay out of it but when I did the Googling on all of the mentioned components none came up as compatible hence my second last post. I did see a reference too to installing the old typ CPU and powering up and running BEFORE installing the new CPU but again I don't know or se what relevance that would have.

Personally I would like to see some readouts from HW Info HWiNFO, HWiNFO32/64 - Download
re whatever especially on that PSU volts. I as you know - am always heading for the Power_Good readings as per this
Voltage Rails - Power Supply 101: A Reference Of Specifications point 2.

Plus who is to say the RAM is compatible for that matter.

 

[Britton30]

This is the board sisrace quoted he has, GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket FM2+ - GA-F2A88XN-WIFI (rev. 3.0)
Which has a FM2+ socket, which the 7700K needs a BIOS update to work.
The 6800K is a FM2 chip which should work.
I don't see, may have missed it, what GPU is being used anywhere.

 

[mohavepc]

Just a 2 cents post:
When doing a troubled build there are a few things that can be tried to narrow things down a little.
I know you have said you have tried everything but what I don't see is a limited setup. What I mean is this.

1. Remove all devices including mouse and keyboard (vid card as well)
2 start with 1 stick of ram, CPU, cpu power and 24 pin power plugged into the board.
3. power cord and vid cord only plugged in to machine.

This will show if those devices are talking to each other correctly. If still no signal I would hazard that the one boot did damage to an incompatable cpu.

 

[Layback Bear]

Finding information for AMD is like finding hens teeth for me.
I think you right Gary about the cpu and motherboard with a (A88X) chip set.

 

[Britton30]

True Jack, AMD is the last place to look for AMD CPU info. I use this one often, CPU-World: Microprocessor news, benchmarks, information and pictures

 

[Layback Bear]

From post #29 by Sisrace

Parts the computer has now:
1: Cpu: AMD A10 6800K
2: Mobo. Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI
3: Ram: Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600Mhz CL9 8Gb kit 2x4
4: gpu: Gigabyte GTX 650 2Gb GGDR5
5: Psu: Be-Quiet Pure Power L8 630W
6: Case: Fractal Define Node Black
7: Cooler: Coolermaster Seidon 120V with noctua 120mm PWM for the radiator
8: 1Tb SSHD Seagate

 

[Layback Bear]

True Jack, AMD is the last place to look for AMD CPU info. I use this one often, CPU-World: Microprocessor news, benchmarks, information and pictures

Thank you Gary for the site.
I have spent hours going through AMD sites and all I get is conflicting information.
I hope we all can help fix this computer but I still can get a answer whether the bios has been fooled with.

Just changing fan operation in bios should not of started all these problems. I'm missing something.

 

[Layback Bear]

mohavepc I like you idea of starting from basics.

 

[Layback Bear]

Sisrace is not working on the system in his specs John.

Ok mate I'll drop out cos it has lost me a bit

No problem ICit2lol that is easy to do.
Hang in there.