More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

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Although pretty good I have found that Windows driver selection is not perfect. Sometime Windows wants to install an older driver of it will not identify the hardware properly and install an incorrect driver.
 

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Win 7, although not perfect is the best available. I find it the best ver MS has ever put out.
 

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Why would you install the drivers on a driver-complete OS? This isn't XP.

Win7 delivers the drivers it wants via the installer, quicking updated via Windows Updates. They spent about a billion dollars on this, one of the things they got almost perfect in Win7.

Factory drivers are necessary. e.g I have ati radeon card and windows although did installed the drivers automatically by it lacked the ati converter and a host of other features like profiles and the ability to overclock. Etc etc
 

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Why would you install the drivers on a driver-complete OS? This isn't XP.

Win7 delivers the drivers it wants via the installer, quicking updated via Windows Updates. They spent about a billion dollars on this, one of the things they got almost perfect in Win7.

Factory drivers are necessary. e.g I have ati radeon card and windows although did installed the drivers automatically by it lacked the ati converter and a host of other features like profiles and the ability to overclock. Etc etc

Did you enable Automatically deliver drivers via Windows Update (Step 3) and run all rounds of Important and Optional Windows Updates to completion? Only after all Updates are installed will you really know what drivers are not provided. There are rarely more than one or two.

Factory drivers are also delivered by Windows Update in Win7. This is a major improvement in Win7. When a driver is delivered this way you know it has been vetted and is what Win7 wants.

The mistakes are no more than with other Windows Updates - about one in a million.
 
I'd caution the use of Windows delivered graphics card drivers. After one bad experience I'd recommend going to the manufacturer's website. In my case it is NVidia. I also prefer manual updates to my printer drivers. So I select automatically notify but let me select.
Generally speaking though Windows 7 appears quite good at getting you the drivers you need.
I'd also recommend making an image before installing a major driver like a graphics driver and not rely on a system restore.
Just my opinion though.

As a slight aside - I have been led to believe that it is best to turn system protection off when using SSDs.
 

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...I'd also recommend making an image before installing a major driver like a graphics driver and not rely on a system restore...

X2 on that. I've found system restore to be unreliable whereas I've never had a verified image fail to restore for me.
 

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System restore is a program intended to restore to particular point in time. To do that it uses part of a shadow copy, and deletes new files.

Shadow copies are images. One the great things MS has done. The system restore program has it's quirks, but you can always restore a shadow copy, or bits of it yourself.
 

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How about drivers for a lighted steel series keyboard. Three different colors plus different arrangements for lighting. I am not going to get it out now and go through it for you. Take my word for it. There is some drivers that Win 7 was not prepared to deliver.

Well spoken! After countless 7 installs on different machines you'll always find some you have to go back to the manufacturer's support site for. That list will often include Wi-Fi drivers as well as ones for the touchpad for instance the 8 laptop one friend bought off of someone else when the touchpad as well as 8 didn't work out for the bought new model.

When looking into what support that laptop had the Toshiba site also saw 7 x64 drivers showing they had the option for the 64bit 7 on that particular model with 6gb of ram. Likewise other then what comes included with OEMs as far as the prepackaged hardwares you often need to look things up for addons like a fancy external keyboard, printer, or printer/scanner etc. since not all drivers are found through Windows updates!

Since Vista days Dell has offered new systems with the choice of OS so you know they will be keeping the driver sets for XP(usually older model at this point) and up available depending on how new or old any model is. The newest would certainly be seeing 7 and likely but not always Vista support.
 

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I'd caution the use of Windows delivered graphics card drivers. After one bad experience I'd recommend going to the manufacturer's website. In my case it is NVidia. I also prefer manual updates to my printer drivers. So I select automatically notify but let me select.
Generally speaking though Windows 7 appears quite good at getting you the drivers you need.
I'd also recommend making an image before installing a major driver like a graphics driver and not rely on a system restore.
Just my opinion though.

As a slight aside - I have been led to believe that it is best to turn system protection off when using SSDs.


I also had a bad experience while using Windows to update my drivers automatically. It messed up my NIC card by changing companies. I had Realtek prior that but once it updated it changed to Centrino. At the time it happened I didn't know it because it was automatic. And I'm not at all savvy when it comes to understanding wireless networking.

Anyway all of a sudden I started getting dropped from my Internet service constantly. I would get pop up messages that I didn't understand. The lease time went from 3 days to 2 hours and at the end of that 2 hours I would get dropped - eventually I could get back on but most it would take up to 10 minutes sometimes unless I manually changed adapter settings from automatic gateway, ip address, dns server, etc. to specific numbers. back and forth - this went on for months. I called ISP they didn't know squat....Eventually it stopped dropping me when the lease was up and it renewed the lease automatically but I still don't understand why it did that..
 

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My problem with upgrading to W8 is the fact the I don't know if I'm going to like it. It would suck to shell out 120 dollars and find out I absolutely dread it and prefer the OS I have been using for so many years. I sort of solved my problem though. I like LOVE the design of the Windows 8, but like the way W7 works better, so I just downloaded a system theme to make it look like Windows 8, then changed the authui.dll and basebrd.dll to ones that resemble the W8 login screen. Changed the mouse icons, system sounds and a few other tiny things, and I'm completely satisfied with my OS now. My problem is my dumpy computer :( lol
 

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Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.
 

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Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.

Really? From all the Google searching I've done trying to find all the things I need, I can tell it's quite common. There are many applications and programs that can change your UI to look like W8 and many ways to tweak your system to imitate the looks of W8. I personally really like the look of my W7 now. :p
 

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1 TB
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Ducky mechanical with PBT double shot keycaps.
Driver Updates

I'd caution the use of Windows delivered graphics card drivers. After one bad experience I'd recommend going to the manufacturer's website. In my case it is NVidia. I also prefer manual updates to my printer drivers. So I select automatically notify but let me select.

Agreed.

In my case I foolishly let it apply an update for my USB 3 driver.
It totally screwed up my USB ports.
Rolling the driver back didn't fix the problem.
I had to reimage my PC to fix the problem.

Driver updates are a menace, whether you get them manually or automatically.

There was a period (a couple of years ago) when every second NVidia update caused problems on my PC.
I was getting the updates from NVidia manually (i.e. it wasn't a Windows Update problem).

I've also noticed that graphics driver updates always lower my WEI score.
This is regardless of whether it is an ATI card (current) or NVidia card (previous).
I'm using an old ATI driver now, as every update I've tested, has lowered my WEI score.

I guess that is an attempt to trick me into buying a new card. :mad:

I'd also recommend making an image before installing a major driver like a graphics driver and not rely on a system restore.
Just my opinion though.

Agreed.
I can't believe that I was able to keep my PC running, in the days before I installed Macrium Reflect (~4 years ago).
A factor would've been that I never bothered to get driver updates.

I guess that I know I have backup images now, so I'm more inclined to experiment. :D
 
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Here's any easy one for you: If you like the layout of Windows 8, get Windows 8. ;)
 

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Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.

Really? From all the Google searching I've done trying to find all the things I need, I can tell it's quite common. There are many applications and programs that can change your UI to look like W8 and many ways to tweak your system to imitate the looks of W8. I personally really like the look of my W7 now. :p

The most common approach many will opt for is trying to make 8 look like 7 with the use of 3rd party apps like Classic Shell, Start8, Start Menu 7, etc. due to not liking the Metro gui to begin with. Some pin their programs folder to the main taskbar as an alternative approach to getting past the changes MS made which favors the tablet by design.

As for deciding on whether or not to go with 8, 8.1 the Preview could have been installed on a VM for a fast look without effecting your present situation any. Have a spare drive or partition and simply creating a full image backup of 7 ahead of time can save a world of hurt if you are not able to reinstall the previous after finding you don't like 8. These are options people tend to forget about often and then panic when dumping 7 for 8 and then wanting to go backwards.

The Pros and Cons I found with 8 excluding Metro or "Modern" gui are for the Plus factor MS finally put in a working system protection namely a working Security Essentials and trimmed the fat as far as a speedier OS. But that also is where the Cons come in when MS stripped away the usual "desktop" features like the Media Center, dvd playback support(video codecs, etc.), and a few other things like no user setup options! to suit the needs of the tablet.

To come down to the basics if you want a desktop OS stay with 7. If you are fine with tablet touch&swipe then 8! If you want the usual and quite often expected to find features 7. For just a faster boot and not much else but an improved MS SE under another name(Windows Defender) once again then you would go with 8.

Here I run a desktop and want a desktop OS that works. 7 is the winning formula! For the next they may only see "new" and don't pay much attention to the differences. And as for driver updates it can be a real pain at times like finding the drivers for the main board here with the same make and model used on two different 7 builds! A lot of the stuff on the software cd was still 32bit while the old build now seeing 7 again that was passed along was just worked on and not one hardware update beside ATI and the Realtek Gigabyte family controller driver for the nic was listed in the 131 MS optional and important updates with a fresh install of 7 just performed!

The usb WiFi adapter used for just the install, activation, and updates refused to work at first until getting the usb controller drivers to go on(USB 3.0 part of that) and then the adapter ware which was disabled later in case of future need while being hardwired by nic card. I didn't have a 14ft ethernet cable onhand to run to the router directly when getting that up and running again.

The first big tip when planning a clean install however is going to the support site for each hardware ahead of time to download and save what will be needed in preparation. Once up and running and checking the updates you will then only need to worry about the Windows updates and none other since the latest for each item was already installed! The same for the onboard audio chip if you have a separate card installed. You toss the onboard drivers on but disable the onboard either in the bios or DM to avoid conflict with the expansion card.

This also applies to 8 as well as previous especially when drivers were late for Vista! Try waiting a full year to dump XP off of a second drive since the older was needed just for one hardware back then! The manufacturers can be ssssslooooo eeerrrrrrr then mooo llaaaas sses at times! MS Stressed OEMs to have support ready for 7! But once again there wasn't hardly anything ready for 8 when first launched.
 

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    Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio P - Realtek onooard 2nd case
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW199T-P 19" HP 2082a Main-HP 2082a 20" remote pc
    Screen Resolution
    Asus 1440x900 - HP 1600x900
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 1TB HD per OS W7, W10, and pending W11 presently on 500gb OS Drive - Pending Triple 1TB HDs for Spanned Storage/backup volume
    Single 2TB external USB enclosure, single 1TB System 7 Host/Boot drive, Pending 8TB external HD for system image b
    PSU
    Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second
    Case
    Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900A
    Keyboard
    AZIO L70 Backlit Letters Gaming - ONN Cordless/USB
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 Programmable, Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi
    Antivirus
    GFI VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on W7 2016 beta on W10,
    Browser
    Cyberfox, WaterFox 64bit FF variants, FireFox x64, Pale Moon
    Other Info
    Accomdata fan cooled usb 2.0 PIDE/Sata II, III external enclosure.
    Sambient usb/eSata PATA/Sata II, III external enclosure.
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    W7 Pro x64/W11 ProAMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gbMSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    CUSTOM ASSEMBLY
    OS
    W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Sound Card
    Realtek onooard Creative or Other separate PENDING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    VIZIO 32" LCD TV Separate LCD Pending
    Screen Resolution
    1600x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 500GB OS Host/Boot WD Green 1TB Storage/Backup
    PSU
    Corsair 600W - THERMALTAKE 600W spare case
    Case
    NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Twin 120mm Top Fans - 240mm Side Cover
    Keyboard
    ONN Cordless/USB Logitech Cordless
    Mouse
    ONN USB/Cordless - Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    DSL 5G
    Browser
    MS Edge, FireFox, WaterFox x64, FireFox Nightly
    Other Info
    OS Testing-Remote Access to Main TeamViewer
Wow! That's a first for me. I've never heard of anyone making Win 7 look like Win 8 before.

I have ... :D
well close anyway..

Use a cutdown version of Win7, with JRiver and a touch screen monitor, as a music player.

Still, it's easier to control it via network than the touch screen...
or the tablet(andriod) or iPhone.
 

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I use Windows 7 on my Nexus 7, and it's about as easy as using Windows 7 on a laptop with a touch pad, so I don't really get the advantage of Windows 8, but I guess that's just me, maybe.

To each their own, I guess.

What throws me for a loop though is that (if done well enough) I'd want my Android/"smart" devices to have a more "Windows" like GUI, not the other way around. To have a desktop GUI modeled after a handheld device is completely backwards, in my opinion. It's like sending professors to middle school for extended field studies which aren't education related. It's the dog chasing it's own tail on the hunt because it forgot what it was doing otherwise.
 

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Windows 7 Professional SP1 64bit, Manjaro Xfc...Intel i7-3930K @ 4.2GHzCorsair Dominator 64GB Quad Channel DDR3 @ 16...EVGA GeForce GTX Titan Black Superclocked (×2...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
OS
Windows 7 Professional SP1 64bit, Manjaro Xfce, Debian 10 64bit Xfce
CPU
Intel i7-3930K @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Corsair Dominator 64GB Quad Channel DDR3 @ 1600MHz
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GeForce GTX Titan Black Superclocked (×2, SLI)
Monitor(s) Displays
Sony Bravia 46"
Screen Resolution
1920×1080 (Full Screen), 1366×768 (Windows)
Hard Drives
Samsung 860 PRO 4TB SSD, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, Western Digital WD Gold 16TB 7200 RPM 512MB Cache HDD
PSU
Corsair AX1200 (1200W, 100.4A @ 12V)
Case
Corsair Obsidian 750D
Cooling
Corsair H110, 5 NOCTUA NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM Fans
Keyboard
Logitech K360
Mouse
Logitech M220
Browser
Firefox Developer Edition, Pale Moon, Tor
Steve Ballmer's 13 years as Microsoft CEO leaves a mixed legacy with little vision

....Ballmer's late-to-the-game approach over the past 13 years hasn't fully moved Microsoft on from the shadow of Gates and the PC, and he'll never get the chance to fix that himself. Instead, his retirement is an admission that he isn’t the best person to transform a software giant into a devices and services company. He’s restructured the company in an attempt to achieve that goal, but the hardest work — the job of actually executing the strategy — will be left to Microsoft's next boss.


Steve Ballmer's 13 years as Microsoft CEO leaves a mixed legacy with little vision | The Verge
 

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Windows 10 (64 bit)AMD FX832016 GBAMD 7870
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 10 (64 bit)
CPU
AMD FX8320
Motherboard
Asus M5A99X EVO
Memory
16 GB
Graphics Card(s)
AMD 7870
Windows 8.1 Hits RTM, Aims to Win Back Customers

...Windows 8 started off a promising concept, but fell victim to a myriad of flaws and shortcomings, which have led to the biggest percentage drop in PC sales ever. One major issue was the scope of the redesign -- Microsoft dropped a very new and different interface on consumers with the graphically rich "Modern UI" (aka Metro) homepage and a slew of new multi-touch gestures. Where other similarly complex OSs such as Android include a built-in tutorial that helps teach users how to use the new UI, Windows 8 had no such tutorial. As a result many customers wrote Windows 8 off quickly, "downgrading" to Windows 7.

Other critical flaws in Windows 8 include Microsoft's inability to enforce its intended touchscreen requirement -- a critical pillar of the optimal Windows 8 consumer experience -- and Microsoft's unwillingness to listen to customers who wanted a backup traditional Start Button/Start Menu when in Desktop Mode.

DailyTech - Windows 8.1 Hits RTM, Aims to Win Back Customers
 

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Windows 10 (64 bit)AMD FX832016 GBAMD 7870
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Windows 10 (64 bit)
CPU
AMD FX8320
Motherboard
Asus M5A99X EVO
Memory
16 GB
Graphics Card(s)
AMD 7870
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