More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[ICIT2LOL]

This may be true for browsing on an Ipad, but for real productive work like that which drives the world economy and similar to what I'm doing now here answering a dozen threads in an internet cafe in Berlin, it takes longer and interrupts the process to reach up and poke the screen.

The interruption is similar to having the Wall of Playskool buttons slam down on your work in place of the small unobtrusive Start menu popup that a billion people grew up with to use productively, and what was perfected in XP and Windows 7.

This is what MS tossed to the wind in Wind Ate.

Yes Greg but like I said how come I am not having problems then with my machines - seriously I wouldn't know I was running 8 if I hadn't upgraded my 7 to it and use the 7 type start menu.

This thread is a bit like an endless loop to me I cannot see what fuss is all about - suppose that makes me a somewhat a bit short of grey matter or something.

 

[gregrocker]

The issue to me John is it's not a worthy successor to Win7. And since it's not something they think they need to correct it's a worse situation than Vista.

It was Vista's debacle debut that forced important changes developed for Win7 to conserve resources, making the Black Viper unnecessary.

This involves a completely misguided attempt to rewrite their business plan to rent apps and eventually the OS like the Ipad, and with apps no one would buy or wants.

Most importantly no one should have to modify an OS to make it tolerable to work the way in which a billion users came to rely upon MS for an OS. We already have Win7.

 

[Reaper351c]

The issue to me John is it's not a worthy successor to Win7. And since it's not something they think they need to correct it's a worse situation than Vista.

It was Vista's debacle debut that forced important changes developed for Win7 to conserve resources, making the Black Viper unnecessary.

This involves a completely misguided attempt to rewrite their business plan to rent apps and eventually the OS like the Ipad, and with apps no one would buy or wants.

Most importantly no one should have to modify an OS to make it tolerable to work the way in which a billion users came to rely upon MS for an OS. We already have Win7.

I completely agree I like windows 7 its Microsoft's best operating system to date when windows 8 came out I gave it a fair chance about a week got tired of it and wiped my computer back down to 7 which I enjoy very much and all the customizing you can do to it with some patching of files and a few programs windows 7 is awesome windows 8 I give a big thumbs down

 

[Night Hawk]

If they want to see PC sales jump instead of drop, all they need is to start reproducing W7 with a good SP2 for PCs, while W8 handles the mobile market. That would jump start sales.

Put a PC OS on PCs, and a mobile OS on mobile units. Duhhhh. Cmon M$ wake up.

Still keeping desktop features alive as well as a desktop gui would have been what would make the most sense producing a desktop edition of 8 at least and not gearing everything for tablet. One would have hoped MS would have followed suit after the 7 success story to continue along those lines with even more improvements in the next desktop? version. "Har... Matey! Tabletitis Blarney set in. MS be lost in some mobile scuffle somewho!"

Microsoft should have never used windows 8 on a computer without touch screen capabilities its way better suited to tablets and phones

It's not simply touch & swipe but a constained OS directed at the Tablet platform. Seeing some features removed would have still been an option for MS to consider. But when you look at the gui slammed in people faces without choices you can easily see what 8 was intended for. 7 also has touchscreen support present as well but an option!

Surface with Windows RT(proprietaty) and W8 for other non MS tablets is the game play there. 8.1 simply makes the tablet look more like the familiar desktop to an extent while still on the mobile side of life.

Now what could have proven itself more of a success 8 story would have been seeing a desktop edition on top of the updated under the hood improvements as far as security and the actual working form of the MS Securiy Essentlal(renamed to Windows Defender for 8) put into a fully working what comes after 7 OS. MS was totally gearing everything however to promote Surface and options to see a newer Windows put on other tablets having abandoned the desktop by looking the other way.

 

[Wrend]

I think that Microsoft needs to figure out that "abandoning" desktop OSs isn't a way to get them into the handheld mobile market.

That's what doesn't make any sense to me, unless they're actually trying to kill off the PC, which also doesn't really make much sense.

 

[SIW2]

They are trying to kill off the first word

personal computer.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

The issue to me John is it's not a worthy successor to Win7. And since it's not something they think they need to correct it's a worse situation than Vista.

It was Vista's debacle debut that forced important changes developed for Win7 to conserve resources, making the Black Viper unnecessary.

This involves a completely misguided attempt to rewrite their business plan to rent apps and eventually the OS like the Ipad, and with apps no one would buy or wants.

Most importantly no one should have to modify an OS to make it tolerable to work the way in which a billion users came to rely upon MS for an OS. We already have Win7.

Well I might as well go ahead and remove what I have done then What I do not understand is what the fuss is about as the 8 upgrade with the 7 start up menus work as my 7 machines do and to all intents and purposes is 7 in anything I use them for and is much faster. My only irritation is that they have changed slightly the way that msconfig works. But perhaps I am just that bit too thick to see what the problem is and if it is around the Metro and those panels and touch screens etc then I don't use any of it just the machines as normal.

Anyhow I still have three machines running 7 and the drives I cloned from with 7 on them I am past all this stuff re some character named Balmer and the mess that Microsoft has got itself into in fact I find it all a bit depressing and quite frankly boring to the Nth degree.

 

[essenbe]

Personally, I still cannot grasp the point in buying a new OS, then applying 3rd party fixes in order to make it look like what you already have.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Personally, I still cannot grasp the point in buying a new OS, then applying 3rd party fixes in order to make it look like what you already have.

Well I only did it to try Steve and I carried over my 7 settings - it was only an experiment really but as it goes looks like I did the wrong ting eh?

 

[essenbe]

My comment was not directed at you, John. It was just a general comment because it seems that's what most people are doing. If you are satisfied with Windows 8, by all means use it. I was just making a general comment.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Personally, I still cannot grasp the point in buying a new OS, then applying 3rd party fixes in order to make it look like what you already have.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

My comment was not directed at you, John. It was just a general comment because it seems that's what most people are doing. If you are satisfied with Windows 8, by all means use it. I was just making a general comment.

Well I got it wrong then Steve mine were just upgrades and despite the general consensus of 8 being some two headed monster I still use both OS's and I think if anyone tries what I did they would see what I mean.
It only cost me $55 to do it and like I said was just an experiment on the main laptop and it now outperforms my Ivy Bridge with 7 by booting to login in 7 secs and login to desktop in the blink of an eye or however long it takes to type the PW shut down is almost instantaneous. Before itr was making a cup of coffee wile waiting.

You only need an old drive clone the 7 to it upgrade it and change the start up menu. If anyone has done this already and doesn't like it then all well and good - don't use it isn't rocket science. You just go back to 7 and carry on as was. My argument is that unless you try it then you either had a bad experience or are just too blinkered to try.
In my humble opinion despite what you think about Microsoft I reckon they are learning a fair bit out of this issue and well if that results in a system that eventually is better than 7 or 8 then is that not a good thing??

 

[Wrend]

Reboot speed, even from a hybrid form of hibernate, or whatnot, isn't important to me. My computer is on crunching for scientific research, hosting servers, running programs off a RAM drive, and so on almost 24/7 for weeks at a time. Likewise, I don't really have much need or use for an SSD, though I plan on eventually picking one up. Windows 8, not so much. It's basically a useless OS to me with features that I specifically don't want. Because of those features, I don't want to buy Windows 8 nor support the direction Microsoft is taking the Windows OS. I'm sticking with 7, because it works well for me, and I don't like the GUI of 8. Pretty straightforward rationale as I see it.

If other people like 8, or don't dislike it, then that's their opinion, and they are of course justified in acting accordingly. It also makes sense that the issues other people have with Windows 8 likely wouldn't be issues for them, and therefor those issues might not make sense to them, nor seem justified.

 

[BlueGuy]

My computer is on crunching for scientific research, hosting servers..., and so on almost 24/7 for weeks at a time. Windows 8, not so much. It's basically a useless OS to me with features that I specifically don't want. Because of those features, I don't want to buy Windows 8 nor support the direction Microsoft is taking the Windows OS. I'm sticking with 7, because it works well for me, and I don't like the GUI of 8. Pretty straightforward rationale as I see it.

Ha! you took the words right out of my mind (so to speak)!
Was about to say the same thing but had the disadvantage of having to work the holiday weekend,
some industrial processes can't be switched off and on. Then needing sleep upon arriving home after
being relieved by the day shift. Eloquently put, none the less, I tip my hat.

 

[Cr00zng]

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If other people like 8, or don't dislike it, then that's their opinion, and they are of course justified in acting accordingly. It also makes sense that the issues other people have with Windows 8 likely wouldn't be issues for them, and therefor those issues might not make sense to them, nor seem justified.

Except it is important for me that the laptop comes out of hibernation quickly and like the dual-interface, desktop and start up in that order...

 

[BlueGuy]

Personally, I still cannot grasp the point in buying a new OS, then applying 3rd party fixes in order to make it look like what you already have.

Well, how about the introduction of new technologies ?
Now I take it we're all desktop users here but when I go for coffee/hot chocolate and see the laptop users, they're typically average users that don't build systems or even know how to slipstream sata/ahci drivers and such like we do here, yet many do know how to install and just want the familiarity to continue as before after a new purchase. Isn't that what we're all bitching about here? Most average users don't know the difference between retail, OEM[ie.what newegg calls 'system builder'] and what the Dells, HPs etcetera, bundle at Best Buy. I still advise such users to order an OEM copy rather than trust their included recovery media in case of massive failure that would preclude access to the hidden partition on the boot drive.
These words have been stated somewhere here previously but I just wanted to encapsulate and reiterate the motives for going with the above choice.


Q. Your sig, I think I may have heard that phrase some time ago on Doctor Who.

 

[essenbe]

I think you missed my point. A Dell Windows 7 and an OEM Windows 7 is the same OS, just with the junk taken out. And they don't need to buy an OEM version, a standard ISO of windows 7 will validate on a Dell system, with their COA key.

 

[BlueGuy]

I think you missed my point. A Dell Windows 7 and an OEM Windows 7 is the same OS, just with the junk taken out. And they don't need to buy an OEM version, a standard ISO of windows 7 will validate on a Dell system, with their COA key.

Ah,yes!.....showing my age....pre-download from M$, you know but some I've met don't even know
how to burn, like my neighbour, teach him something one day......then forgets the next, in fact, he bought a tablet at the beginning of summer.


EDIT: Well, it is also my own personal habits over the years, every service pack that's been released
I've ordered the optical media because I like it in a form that can't be erased even though it will just sit on the shelf, once used/slipstreamed.

 

[gregrocker]

The only slipstreaming needing doing now is to get all of the multiple years´Updates into the Win7 installer since MS thought they were going to smother it in it´s crib and have no plans for one yet. This can be done with the procedure here: Update 7 installation media

Most drivers are in the media already, or quickly updated via Windows Updates in Win7. It´s hardly even worth the trouble to slipstream a single wireless driver when you can just put it in that PC´s backup.

 

[BlueGuy]

The only slipstreaming needing doing now is to get all of the multiple years´Updates ......QUOTE]

That's what I've noticed since 2011, not as much work to do as with XP and 2000.
Plus development of vLite and HFSlip seems to have stalled.