More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[essenbe]

Also, I think if you were to spec out those Windoes 7 and Windows 8 computers, you would find that the overwhelming majority of the Windows 7 computers were built before 8 was released.

 

[gregrocker]

...or refurbished. That's most of the 7 PC's on the Best Buy website I've seen.

MS needs to give Upgrade rights to Win7 for all consumers who got the Win8 phone app on their new PC's. They can hand them out in the returns line, or retailers would probably install them overnight.

Put Win7 back on all Desktops and PC's. Give it a SP2 with explorer improvements but no ugly.

Leave Win8 on touchscreen devices, only an option for touchscreen laptops/desktops. Sell it for its advantage with Live Tiles which got lost in the ruin.

 

[chamjiee]

True title.
Indeed very true and unbiased.

Windows 8 interface reminds me of Windows 3.1 .

And the new incorporated start menu in 8.1 preview is nothing but a right click connect menu one needs to be a sniper to aim Moses at the entries of the context menu at such an awkward place.

Also the interface looks are like when one would get when windows 95 or 98 after getting that vxd error whter the graphic would just be white and grey.


I have never been able to use it for more then he weeks this junk.

Though I love few features of 8 like hyper v ..


Rest its gui is useless in desktops.

Infact I use xp most of the time as its simple clutter free. Everything is at few clicks away. And i use the old office 2003. In me office one has to wade through alot of menus and tabs and screens to get the needed features.


Do It seems that Microsoft is not listening to it users. And that is showing is consequence.. Microsoft is nowadays getting to arrogant..

Viva windiws xp viva windiws 7.

 

[jimbo45]

True title.
Indeed very true and unbiased.

Windows 8 interface reminds me of Windows 3.1 .

And the new incorporated start menu in 8.1 preview is nothing but a right click connect menu one needs to be a sniper to aim Moses at the entries of the context menu at such an awkward place.

Also the interface looks are like when one would get when windows 95 or 98 after getting that vxd error whter the graphic would just be white and grey.


I have never been able to use it for more then he weeks this junk.

Though I love few features of 8 like hyper v ..


Rest its gui is useless in desktops.

Infact I use xp most of the time as its simple clutter free. Everything is at few clicks away. And i use the old office 2003. In me office one has to wade through alot of menus and tabs and screens to get the needed features.


Do It seems that Microsoft is not listening to it users. And that is showing is consequence.. Microsoft is nowadays getting to arrogant..

Viva windiws xp viva windiws 7.

Hi there
To most of those who don't like the ribbon on office 2017/2010/2013 just press CTRL+F1 to remove most of it --then it's just about like Office 2003 -- but better as you can customize what appears on the toolbar.

Windows 8.1 launches straight to desktop if you so desire. Windows 8 type GUI doesn't really need to be seen then if you don't want it to.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...Hi there
To most of those who don't like the ribbon on office 2017/2010/2013 just press CTRL+F1 to remove most of it --then it's just about like Office 2003 -- but better as you can customize what appears on the toolbar...

Cheers
jimbo

I personally like the ribbon. I had no trouble adapting to it.

 

[gregrocker]

My letter in today's New York Times:

Many still don't understand what a disaster WIndows 8 is with consumers. Even the business world wouldn't buy into a scare campaign on BIOS infections and is migrating off XP almost entirely into Windows 7, the first perfect OS and ultimate realization of the Desktop Experience responsible for most productive work that drives the world economy. Instead there's still an outlandish belief that what's happening is related to an inevitable death of the desktop instead of self-fulfilling prophecy.

MS over-reacted to Ipad and abandoned the critical Start menu in place a Wall of giant playskool-type buttons which are unintuitive on the desktop and interrupt work more than assist it. They've refused to budge to demands to return the Start menu because they've redesigned their whole business plan a la Apple to rent apps (and eventually the OS) off this Ipad-type start screen that slams down on work like a guillotine. Just this one change from a typical unobtrusive pop-up Start menu to the Wall of Buttons has spelled disaster. Consumers and businesses alike don't want it, MS won't change it. There is a stand-off that shows the opposite approach from a stubborn corporation to similar disasters with New Coke and the Tylenol scare.

Provide Upgrade rights to Win7 to consumers stuck with Win8 they don't want, then a worthy successor to Win7.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/technology/ballmer-announces-retirement-from-microsoft.html?comments#permid=57

Any wagers on how long I'll keep my MVP?

TBH I feel guilty that I held my tongue at three Global MVP Summits along with everyone else who were cowed into whispers by declarations that no feedback was wanted on Win8. Had they listened to us they would have known these things a year or more ago. MS Community MVP's had been assured that Blue would resolve all the complaints they were hearing.

 

[bobafetthotmail]

@greg: depends on who the successor of Ballmer will be.

If he is slightly smarter than Ballmer, we are going to see the closest thing to an U turn MS can realistically pull off without losing face. So you might remain MVP as they will need all the help they can get.

Otherwise, the hammer could fall on your title.

Still, how cool would it be if Gates steps up again to fill the void?

Btw, all new computers I see around have windows 8 on them. It's at least 2 years I don't see a new PC with 7 on sale.

 

[Layback Bear]

Greg you will still be one of my MVP's along with many others on this Forum.
Microsoft need a new company attitude.
Like my grand daddy told me along time ago.
** When you make a mistake man up to it. Correct the mistake as quickly as possible and get on with your life.**

Every company makes mistakes. Company up to the mistake and fix it.
Then get on with the company life.
Remember the Edsel.

 

[PaulGo]

Remember Mr. Gates hand picked Ballmer. For Microsoft to remain successful Microsoft needs to get a talented person from outside the company. Microsoft needs someone who will challenge the way the company is run and bring in a fresh viewpoint.

 

[bobafetthotmail]

We'll be lucky if he is from outside MS, talented or not.

 

[Boozad]

Remember Mr. Gates hand picked Ballmer.

And what a massive balls up that was.

 

[ThrashZone]

We'll be lucky if he is from outside MS, talented or not.

Yea I'm not sure which ledge Gate's pulled Ballmer off of to run Microsoft

 

[Dallas 7]

CNN home page is reporting this:

"Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced Friday that he will retire within the next 12 months."

Now there's the best news I've heard in a long time! It's also probably the best thing that could happen to Microsoft.
In fact, here's an idea.....M$ could offer him a free lifetime supply of W8 PCs (you know, the ones nobody wants) if he leaves NOW!

 

[lehnerus2000]

To most of those who don't like the ribbon on office 2017/2010/2013 just press CTRL+F1 to remove most of it --then it's just about like Office 2003 -- but better as you can customize what appears on the toolbar.

Customising the Office 2007 Ribbon is tricky.

Customising the Office 2003 toolbars was easy.

 

[Dallas 7]

Windows 8 is a flop by any standard. It brought down the CEO and if they don't mitigate it seriously in the near future it may bring down the company.

Those who feel betrayed by Windows 8 here are by no means a "minority group" as much as you obviously frown on those, but esteemed members who've been with these forums since the earliest days and helped build it to the undisputed top tech forums on the web, with more traffic and better reputation than all others put together.

Most of the Win7 repair protocols which are now Best Practices were developed here with the lead of SIW2 who lives and works inside the OS, and is equal resident of EightForums. Documented here he has blown the whistle on both the technological and MS-business-plan-revamp miscalculation underlying Windows 8. I've never known him to be wrong about anything.

So we know some things, and one thing we know is that Windows 8 is a disaster worse than Vista. And as those who know it best, we also believe that like with Vista the cure for Windows 8 is Windows 7, MS's wildly successful OS. It needs a SP2 and eventually a worthy successor.

Well said Greg

I'll second that!

 

[Cr00zng]

Windows 8 is a flop by any standard. It brought down the CEO and if they don't mitigate it seriously in the near future it may bring down the company.

Those who feel betrayed by Windows 8 here are by no means a "minority group" as much as you obviously frown on those, but esteemed members who've been with these forums since the earliest days and helped build it to the undisputed top tech forums on the web, with more traffic and better reputation than all others put together.

Most of the Win7 repair protocols which are now Best Practices were developed here with the lead of SIW2 who lives and works inside the OS, and is equal resident of EightForums. Documented here he has blown the whistle on both the technological and MS-business-plan-revamp miscalculation underlying Windows 8. I've never known him to be wrong about anything.

So we know some things, and one thing we know is that Windows 8 is a disaster worse than Vista. And as those who know it best, we also believe that like with Vista the cure for Windows 8 is Windows 7, MS's wildly successful OS. It needs a SP2 and eventually a worthy successor.

I have not questioned the knowledge base of this, or the W8 forums; this forum certainly one of, if not the best. I do respect SIW2's work and contribution to this and eight forums, just happen to disagree with some of his warning about Windows 8. He did help me awhile ego to customize the flash bootdisk for Macrium and I was thankful for that.

My previous posting had been a reply to Scoop's statements that I didn't agree with. The "minority group" statement had been exaggerated, was due to the numbers I've seen at Bestbuy.

People making far fetching conclusion about Windows 8 tend to forget that other not so successful OSes did not bring down MS. They've just made a correction in relatively short time frame and everybody was happy. It remains to be seen in a year or so, if similar correction will be made to W8.1, or the 8.1 changes will be good enough for most people...

 

[Night Hawk]

Windows 8 is a flop by any standard. It brought down the CEO and if they don't mitigate it seriously in the near future it may bring down the company.

Those who feel betrayed by Windows 8 here are by no means a "minority group" as much as you obviously frown on those, but esteemed members who've been with these forums since the earliest days and helped build it to the undisputed top tech forums on the web, with more traffic and better reputation than all others put together.

Most of the Win7 repair protocols which are now Best Practices were developed here with the lead of SIW2 who lives and works inside the OS, and is equal resident of EightForums. Documented here he has blown the whistle on both the technological and MS-business-plan-revamp miscalculation underlying Windows 8. I've never known him to be wrong about anything.

So we know some things, and one thing we know is that Windows 8 is a disaster worse than Vista. And as those who know it best, we also believe that like with Vista the cure for Windows 8 is Windows 7, MS's wildly successful OS. It needs a SP2 and eventually a worthy successor.

I have a friend here stuck for the time being running an 8 laptop until I replace the video card in my old Vista/7 beta-RC desktop I passed along. The case saw a brand new board, supply, and OS drive put in but was still running the older card at the time until it kept rebooting at startup. Vista that went back on will now however be replaced by 7 since my friend is finally making the move up from XP/Vista(better half runs Vista laptop).

The one thing for that user not being so pc savoy is that he hates 8! He didn't want to get into 7 when seeing the RC on his own old XP case but now has had a good look at 8 and wants out of it! As a use that has come up from the dos/3.1 days I look at 8 for what it actually is not a desktop version to begin with! On the contrary 8 is geared for "TABLET" and why it loads faster for that type of device being a Windows stripped down at the core level as well as stripping away many features seen previously.

Flop for tablet not! FLOP FOR DESKTOP? ABSOLUTELY! This is where all the confusion is since while you can still run it on a desktop it's not a desktop geared OS to begin with. And after 7 proved itself to be a winner for the best of the desktop versions over the years MS failed the lesson of sticking with what actually works! Somebody was too interested in Google-litis and Fruit Co. bashing to pay attention to the opportunity to keep MS rolling in a working direction.

 

[HammerHead]

Manufacturers

Mfg. are pretty savvy sometimes. I just bought an MSI 17" laptop. It came loaded with Win 8. Before I purchased it I checked the MSI site for Win 7 drivers. They had them all. All I had to do was download the drivers, do a fresh Win 7 install and install the drivers. Every feature that worked with the Win 8 load is now working with Win 7. I would say they were prepared for the people that didn't want 8.

 

[gregrocker]

Why would you install the drivers on a driver-complete OS? This isn't XP.

Win7 delivers the drivers it wants via the installer, quicking updated via Windows Updates. They spent about a billion dollars on this, one of the things they got almost perfect in Win7.

 

[HammerHead]

Sure Drivers for Win 7 But......

How about drivers for a lighted steel series keyboard. Three different colors plus different arrangements for lighting. I am not going to get it out now and go through it for you. Take my word for it. There is some drivers that Win 7 was not prepared to deliver.