One second: The time it takes to wipe 3 years of work

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October 20th, 2009

One second: The time it takes to wipe three years of work

Posted by Zack Whittaker @ 5:43 pm

It only takes a single second, some would argue a micro-second, to wipe an entire hard drive. Without the need for electromagnetic pulses or an industrial liquidiser, all it takes is a single spark of electricity to cause havoc with your entire electronic life.
How do I know? Because last night I hit the realisation that I lost everything in a blink of an eye. Here’s how, kids.

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Two days ago, I was in my home office working on my degree work for the week. Just as I finish writing up a seminar, I stretch my legs, kicking out the all important power cable at the back of my machine. It’s not the first time I’ve done it, so I was annoyed at potentially losing what I had been working on but not particularly fussed.

I restarted the machine and with an element of surprise, the POST took a while longer than per usual and it stopped, not before asking me to insert boot media. At this point, I thought the master boot record used to boot up Windows was corrupted. No big deal, but the Windows 7 disk I needed was in my office on campus - over a mile away, and this was 11pm.

So I trail my way up to campus and get the almighty powerful disk I thought needed to fix my master boot record. Instead of trailing all the way back home, I decided to pull an all-nighter and get some work done. To say that I felt a little delicate the next day would have been a massive understatement.

Once I finally got home, I slam the disk in and with a little persuasion begin Windows setup to recover the drive. After a while it dawned on me that not only can Windows setup not find my drive but neither can BIOS. At this point I realise that I am in deep trouble.

More at: One second: The time it takes to wipe three years of work | iGeneration | ZDNet.com

Even frequent backups on a spare ide or isata drive(internal, external makes no difference) is a good preventative measure to avoid loss due to an unrecoverable disaster of some kind. :eek:
 

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To many user don't take the time or find it not that important to back up their data. A cheap USB drive can save your life. Also creating restore points is another frequently overlook item. Nice post to remind us of the risk that is taken if not done. Fabe
 

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So, I've never used it myself, but I've heard good things about using Spinrite on your drive to recover data.

But yeah, I have a backup drive as well, I use it to save my data to when I do clean installs and such.
 

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I feel sorry for the guy in a way. However, this quote baffles me; "And did I back up my machine? Of course I did - but on a separate partition, and on that hard drive."

Why would somebody who clearly relies on a computer so much backup their entire PC to a different partition on the same hard drive? Correct me if i'm wrong here but, isn't the point of backing up, preparing for worst case scenario? (which in this case is loosing everything and getting ripped off). A backup drive is your wing man and that backup drive in my eyes, should always be a seperate dedicated drive/device. I'm sure many people are backing up to a different partition on the same drive and there are instances where that may come in handy, however, this guy heavily relies on his PC and would kill to retrieve his thousands of hours of work, therefore, he should be backing up in a more intelligent manner in the first place.


An old geeks proverb - "He who laughs last, probably has a backup"
 

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With several things going on at once and having added additional drives in to prep for testing 7 and then all of the various programs along with the betas and later RCs I tend to find drive space a commodity where two 1tb HDs found their way in simply to back things up as I go along rather then wait and then.... ? :confused:

Even temp files that I know will eventually be deleted entirely somehow find a place on one of the extra drives set aside for storage. Nost however only have one or two drives with everything often found on the main drive. While any one of the OS drives can be wiped clean at any time too many would be devastated if that is seen or a drive simply gives out without any warning!

The one item pointed to in the article there however is going right out and buying a new SSD? For most the new drives are still a bit higher priced and still haven't caught up with the increased capacities seen with your newer usb external drives upto 2tb for some or one of the 1-1.5tb sata models sold for much less.

For laptop users on the other hand without an external drive and no room for a second internal hard drive the option then becomes removable media such as burning data dvds as one means besides what can be backed up onto usb flash drives. Carry your important things right in your pocket with those.
 

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I feel sorry for the guy in a way. However, this quote baffles me; "And did I back up my machine? Of course I did - but on a separate partition, and on that hard drive."

Why would somebody who clearly relies on a computer so much backup their entire PC to a different partition on the same hard drive?

For the majority of users it's a placebo effect.

Most users expect that the worse thing that would happen is that their installation gets corrupted. A failing hard drive is something you believe only happens to other people.

Once a hard failure has been experienced, there is a 97% 'lazy to vigilant backup' conversion rate ;)
 

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For the majority of users it's a placebo effect.

Most users expect that the worse thing that would happen is that their installation gets corrupted. A failing hard drive is something you believe only happens to other people.

Once a hard failure has been experienced, there is a 97% 'lazy to vigilant backup' conversion rate

I've never experienced from a hard drive failure. It's common sense to use a separate device, surely?!
I have however, experienced the gut wrenching feeling when i thought i'd lost my backup drive. It was quite an easy (if not time consuming) fix in the end. I simply refuse to backup my backup (does anyone actually do that?!) :D
 

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Poor Zack Whittaker....

He shouldn't be kicking his power cables...

I'm the only one who should be doing that... :)
 

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Backup is one of the keys to peace of mine when it comes to digital information. I have a music location that stated back in 1957 and goes through to 2008 which spans 350 gigs. All of that 350 gigs is on DVDs. A few of my friends have told me that is just plain dumb. One of those last week lost a 1 Tb drive to a power spike along with thirty years of family pictures. Backing up isn't just common sense it is a must do situation. Think smart, not stupid. :rolleyes:
 

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Evidently someone lacked a good disaster recovery plan and paid a high price when thinking this was all a joke! I've had one or two drive go over the last decade while forunately I had already upgraded to new larger drives and had loaned a few out.

But you "never know" is the key phrase to remember when something can go amiss and then those not prepared lose out. This is something even more important to get across to the novice users since they wouldn't otherwise even be paying attention and wind up in a bad place.
 

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This is something even more important to get across to the novice users
I was thinking the same thing after reading the OP :p
You can see the train-of-though now though....."My PC is brand new/OS is brand new why would i need to back it up, it won't break, even if it does it's still in warranty" LOL!
 

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I know I'm just in the process of sorting out my backup routine now I have 7 installed and certain things set up.
I haven't got around to putting everything on here yet but I can keep doing it in stages once the backup is set in place, this goes on an external hard drive by the way ;)
 

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Intel HD Graphics/Intel/512MB ATI AMD Radeon R5 Graphics (HP
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Realtek High Definition Audio/Onboard/AMD High Definition Au
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Acer LCD K222HQL /Asus 15.6/Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@6
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1920x1080@59Hz/1366 x 768/1920x1080@60Hz
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1863GBWesternn Digital WDC/Asus/119GB SanDisk SD8SN8U-128G-1006 (SSD)
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Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (UK)/Inbuilt/Inbui
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Infinity 2 up to 76 Mbps
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MSE/MSE/MSE and all 3 have MalwareBytes Premium
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Seagate Expansion Portable Drives 500GB and 1TB
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HP Touchsmart IQ771.uk
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Windows 7 Ultimate x64
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AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56
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ASUS Pheonix
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3GB Nanya PC2-6400 DDR2-SDRAM SO-DIM (400MHz)
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NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 256MB GDDR3 SDRAM
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High Definition Intergrated NVIDIA MCP51
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46" Sony Bravia HDTV
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1600x1200
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1.5TB Samsug
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↓6.32 Mb/s ↑0.35 Mb/s ↔26ms
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So, I just had someone ask how they can install Windows 7 on their D: without loosing their data.

I told them to buy a backup drive, copy the data, and then install Windows 7. Hopefully he does.
 

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Zen Productions
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel i7-860
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
Memory
Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz, 8-8-8-24 1.65v 2x2GB
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ATI Radeon 5770 HD
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Intel High Definition Sound
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Samsung P2570HD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Black 500gb
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Corsair CMPSU-750HX 750W
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Antec p183
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Corsair H50 Water Cooler
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Logitech G110
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Logitech MX Revolution
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768 mb/s
Over the last 100 posts I asked if ppl had a" backup we can restore from" and the answer was 4 had 96 did not.

Backup, Backup, Backup, then backup some more
 

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Win 8 Release candidate 8400[email protected]4 gigsNvidia 9600M
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HP Pavillion dv-7 1005 Tx
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Win 8 Release candidate 8400
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[email protected]
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4 gigs
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Nvidia 9600M
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HD built-in
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17" Wxga
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1440x900
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none
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45Mb down 5Mb up
Especially as you can get a 500gb drive for barely $50 now.
 

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Zen Productions
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel i7-860
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
Memory
Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz, 8-8-8-24 1.65v 2x2GB
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 5770 HD
Sound Card
Intel High Definition Sound
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung P2570HD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Black 500gb
PSU
Corsair CMPSU-750HX 750W
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Antec p183
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Corsair H50 Water Cooler
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Logitech G110
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Logitech MX Revolution
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768 mb/s
Or you can even run multiple drives in RAID everything is automatically backed up without even doign anything. Plus it speeds things up a lot :)
 

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Windows 7Intel P4 3.0 GHz @ 3.4 GHz1GBATI RADEON X850XT PE
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Windows 7
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Intel P4 3.0 GHz @ 3.4 GHz
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1GB
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ATI RADEON X850XT PE
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17 BENQ LCD
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300 GB IDE (For Main OS)
500 GB SATA (For Extra Space)
PSU
400 Watt
Cooling
Stock
There but for the the grace of god. Almost no one's back scheme is foolproof...and hindsight is 20/20.

I keep a seperate boot and data drive...and was backing up non-media portions of the data drive to data CD (and then DVDs) for years...but then the data set started to get really large...and I was too cheap to buy another drive...and I started to get lazy.

Two to three years after my last DVD-based backup, I was rebuilding my PC and inadvertently pointed the Win XP installer at my data drive...and selected format. It was another hour before I figured it out (after windows was installed on that drive). I then used every unerase tool in the book...but only managed to get back around 25% of my data. Thus, three out of four files that I had not backed up in three years were history. Yes, I felt like an idiot...and deeply regretted the fact that I didn't spend $100 for an external hard drive.

I now have an extra external drive that backup jobs from two PCs in my house move files to. I also have one of these:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001IOPIRM"]Amazon.com: Esata USB To Sata External HDD Dock Adapter: Electronics[/ame] that I got for around $40 (US).


There are many similar solutions...and many are cheaper...but the one that I have is attractive enough that I don't feel compelled to lock it away when not in use. I see it on my desk and it reminds me to back up *again*...to an internal-style drive that I drop in the dock, synch, and then put in a locking fireproof box.

Monday morning quarterbacking is always easy...and stories like the OP's are welcome reminders that most of us need to think more about backups.

$0.02

Sorry to hear about your trouble brother. G/L...and thanks for sharing.
 

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Win 7 Pro 64 BitQ66004GB8800GT
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Shuttle (SFF) / SP35P2 Pro
OS
Win 7 Pro 64 Bit
CPU
Q6600
Motherboard
Shuttle
Memory
4GB
Graphics Card(s)
8800GT
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On Board
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung 22"
Screen Resolution
1680x1050
Hard Drives
WD 640 Boot
WD 640 Data
WD 500 external backup
PSU
Shuttle 450 Watt
Case
Shuttle
Cooling
Fans...lots of them
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Creative Fatal1ty
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Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
Wicked Fast
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Capricorn
Or you can even run multiple drives in RAID everything is automatically backed up without even doign anything. Plus it speeds things up a lot :)


Well...that's not a blanket statement for RAID. :)

RAID 0 speeds things up...and is in no way redundant. In fact, it doubles the chance of losing data.

RAID 1 provides redundancy...but I don't see it speeding things up. Also, there are controller level issues that can still occur that can kill data...as can stupid mistakes like mine...or a massive hardware failure...power spike...fire...theft....etc.

Other versions of RAID are more robust...but they are not perfect. I have lost multiple drives at once in a RAID 5 configured server due to temperature issues in a lab over a weekend...and I would have been screwed had I not had tape backups.

Any version of backup that does not include an off-site backup is a potential issue. I am a volunteer firefighter in my spare time...and take my word for it, what the fire and heat doesn't destroy, our water often does. Just a thought.
 

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Win 7 Pro 64 BitQ66004GB8800GT
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Shuttle (SFF) / SP35P2 Pro
OS
Win 7 Pro 64 Bit
CPU
Q6600
Motherboard
Shuttle
Memory
4GB
Graphics Card(s)
8800GT
Sound Card
On Board
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung 22"
Screen Resolution
1680x1050
Hard Drives
WD 640 Boot
WD 640 Data
WD 500 external backup
PSU
Shuttle 450 Watt
Case
Shuttle
Cooling
Fans...lots of them
Keyboard
Creative Fatal1ty
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
Wicked Fast
Other Info
Capricorn
I've heard it said that it's not really backed up till it's in two places.

skydrive.live.com is a good place to store images online, free 25gb of storage from MS.
 

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Windows 7 Ultimate x64Intel i7-860Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz, 8-8-8-24 1.65v 2x2GBATI Radeon 5770 HD
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Zen Productions
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel i7-860
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P
Memory
Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz, 8-8-8-24 1.65v 2x2GB
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 5770 HD
Sound Card
Intel High Definition Sound
Monitor(s) Displays
Samsung P2570HD
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Western Digital Caviar Black 500gb
PSU
Corsair CMPSU-750HX 750W
Case
Antec p183
Cooling
Corsair H50 Water Cooler
Keyboard
Logitech G110
Mouse
Logitech MX Revolution
Internet Speed
768 mb/s
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