Opinions on these refurb'd desktops?

Yeah, it's just a model number. Maybe Intel has a better description of what the number actually means. Could refer to architecture of the chip its self and other things, I don't know.

Speaking of architecture of a CPU. Clock speed doesn't necessarily mean it will be fast. It largely depends on your application. You could have a CPU with a clock speed of 2.4 GHz and another CPU with a clock speed of 3.5 GHz, but the 2.4 GHz CPU may perform better for the distributed client F@H (Folding at Home) than the 3.5 GHz CPU due to its architecture. The other factor here is number of threads and cores and if your application supports that or not as well as instruction sets. But by in large it is why I chose to use a PassMark score to determine what CPU is the overall faster chip seen as how their benchmarking software stresses various abilities to obtain the score. Read here and you'll see them mention "relative" speed.

The "basic difference?" One is faster than the other in general terms. LOL

The more advanced difference? See the Specs right from the horse's mouth, Intel.

Intel(R) Core™ i7-4770 Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel(R) Core™ i7-3770 Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz) Product Specifications

Now both CPUs are 3.5 GHz and you'd be right in wondering why one has a better PassMark score than the other. It's largely the architecture I spoke about. You'll see the 3770 was manufactured in quarter 2 of 2012. There are four quarters in a year of three months between quarters. So this CPU came out sometime between April and June of 2012. Now you see the 4770 being manufactured in quarter 2 of 2013. So the 4770 would be newer by a year and thus would most likely have a better architecture for CPU number crunching as that is what a CPU does by and large.

Both CPUs are by in large the same. Same cache, same turbo boost, same lithography, etc. The biggest difference I see is the TDP (Thermal Design Power). The 4770 runs just a little hotter than the 3770 and that makes sense given its better number crunching ability. Note that most items listed in the Intel Ark website have question marks. Just click on a question mark to get more Info.

I'd get the 4770 myself.

I can't find the 3770 at Anandtech's bench results, but here's a comparison of your current CPU with the 4770. CPU Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech As you can see, the 4770 just blows it away. But unless you're using applications like what is listed and you use a SSD, you may not notice a difference at all. It will allow you to play the free Warzone by Battle.net though I'm pretty sure, but you'll need at least a GTX 1050 TI video card. Call of Duty(R): Warzone | Home

Had I'd known Warzone would come out and be free of all things, I don't think I would have bought this new COD for sixty smackers. And to make matters worse, the code in this game is crap for my CPU and everyone else's that has my CPU or its variants. You get stutters all the time as if you have a poor Internet connection which is not the case at all. I've managed to mitigate some of it by using windowed mode and some other stuff, but I tend to stutter from time to time and often times at the wrong damn time. I don't think the 4770 will have this issue or the latest AMD CPUs.

I only bought this game because I played the first Modern Warfare back in circa 2008 on a Dell Dimension 4600 with a Pentium 4 CPU. Good times. I upgraded the living hell out of everything in that compuuter up to the CPU to a max of 3.0 GHz minus the motherboard. RAM was upgraded, CPU, video card, sound card, and I utilized the SATA I connections. LOL I even ran a hard drive on the available 5.25 PATA cable slot. LOL Yes, it was slow, but I needed more hard drive space. Now in this new COD installment some of the old maps are there from the first. And then there are other older maps like Rust and Construction from previos COD incarnations which I never played. One bad thing about this game or even other modern games of today are the updates. It's a weekly thing and with COD updates they can be as big as 45 GB. Absolutely INSANE! I remember walking into Target or Walmart and buying my games. It's where I bought Red Alert and Command & Conquer with Zero Hour which I played all the time. I even made maps with the Worldbuilder! I still to this day play Zero Hour and BF2 with the AIX mod which makes BF2 play like it should have. Both games can still be played today with third-party clients.

BF2Hub.com

C&C:Online - Command & Conquer online multiplayer server

If you go with the 4770, the built-in GPU in the CPU should work well on medium to low settings in BF2 or Zero Hour I'm sure. I'd have to compare the GPU to others to make sure. :geek:
 

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I had heard the term license mentioned, relating I think to the BBC, but I don't really know the details. What's the issue?


Read here and you'll learn why our Founding Fathers sent a Declaration, a Declaration of Independence to the king of England to say in part, no taxes from you idiots no more! LOL Yes, Ben Franklin new a guy who knew a guy that drove a TV detector van and worked part time for Uber.

Now here Britain tried taking us over not once in the 1770s, but also in 1812. They were sent home packing twice of course. I don't think another civilization on the face of this planet has ever managed that.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A king would want nothing of it. And to think England doesn't have a constitution but still is based from the Magna Carta. Good God. In 2015 it was 800 years old.
 

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The 4770 runs just a little hotter than the 3770
The i7 4770 uses more electricity than the i7 3770. But still less than Fredtastics current cpu.

I am not convinced that measurements matter as much as many imagine. Everyday usage is different and I expect most will find it difficult to notice any speed difference between those two. There is little point in "upgrading" from a 3770 system to a 4770 system. But if you are buying from scratch, then generally it makes sense to get the more recent one.

The dell 9020 even though "only" running an i5, it is much more capable than Fred's current system, and could be much more than adequate for his needs. Only he can decide that.

I'd get the 4770 myself.
Yes, me too, but that is because we can afford to take a punt.
A few hundred bucks isn't the end of the world for some of us.

We don't know anything about the mobo on the Custom 4770 machine. I suggest Fred ask the seller for the mobo details.
 
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Just ordered this one: Amazon.com $277 w/shipping. Only real issue out of the box is no HDMI, but I have a vid card with that which should (SHOULD) work. Supposed to arrive Thursday, I'll post back when I get it. Again, I want to thank everyone for the TERRIFIC input! I really appreciate everyone's time!
 

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Look forward to hearing how you like it.
 

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The Dell OptiPlex 9020 Mini Tower has a 290W generic power supply, so make sure the graphics card you install is not a power hungry one.

The GeForce GT 730 4 GB graphics card is what I use in mine.
 

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Intel processors has a number that identify the generation
2xxx - 2nd gen
3xxx - 3rd gen
4xxx - 4th gen etc.

Intel Core i7-4770 @ 3.40GHz 7,024 - 4th gen
Intel Core i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz 6,368 - 3rd gen

On each generation you have a family that differs with the number of cores and other specs

i3 - low level cpu
i5 - mid level cpu
i7 - top level cpu
i9 - super top level cpu

on each family you have CPU with different clocks
 

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The Optiplex 9020 comes with a display port to use the internal Graphics.
You can buy a Display port to HDMI cable to use it.

It's original OS was Win 7 Pro and it's coming with win 10.

You can always install win 7, maybe even using the SLP license.
 

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The Optiplex 9020 comes with a display port to use the internal Graphics.
You can buy a Display port to HDMI cable to use it.

It's original OS was Win 7 Pro and it's coming with win 10.

You can always install win 7, maybe even using the SLP license.


Yeah they listed that display port to HDMI adapter w/the PC on Amazon. Since I'm trying to save bucks, I figured I'd see if my present HDMI card might work before buying one. I did see the rather small PSU output. I have a couple ATX PSU's 600 watt & 850, though I'm guessing they probably wouldn't be a direct "plug & play." Depending on how the Dell works & is configured, I may transfer the mobo etc. to a larger case I have.
 

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I may transfer the mobo etc. to a larger case I have

That might be tricky, the dell mobo is proprietary and might not have screw holes in the correct place for a standard case.

There are youtube videos showing what graphics cards can be added ( if you want one).


I have a couple ATX PSU's 600 watt & 850, though I'm guessing they probably wouldn't be a direct "plug & play."

There are 8 pin adapters available, but you might not need to. The psu is more capable than you think - unless you want to add a graphics card with huge power draw

Dell Optiplex 9020 7020 3020 Power Supply Upgrade 24 pin to 8 pin Adapter - YouTube

Dell 9020 - $100 Gaming Upgrade - YouTube

Just found a video on transferring to a different case

Easy Dell Optiplex RGB Case Transplant - YouTube
 

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SIW2 - Thanks for the great videos, that's actually the 1st decent view I've seen of the inside of the 9020. I think the stock case will be fine (a bit bigger than I thought, nicely made, too) but I can work the mobo into a different case if needed. There isn't much I haven't built/repaired/modified over the years. I have a 600 w Corsair that looks like it would fit into the stock case, again, if needed, and I'm surprised only that one adapter would be required. The pc may arrive as early as tomorrow, Thursday at the latest. Those vids have made me even more anxious to get my hands on it! I think I made the right choice! ;-)
 

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There are lot of those machines around, which means plenty of videos .
 

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Well, the PC arrived. 1st issue, wrong cpu. Supposed to be an i5-4670 @ 3.2 gig, instead it's an i5-4570 @ 2.9 gig. Probably not a massive difference, but STILL. How come such errors can never be in the POSITIVE direction? The pc came with 10, which won't let me get into initial setup unless I give them a MICROSOFT email to "set up my account," which I do not want to do for privacy concerns.

Sigh. Why does everything have to SUCK?
 

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I just spoke to the seller, they're going to resend. I swear if anything ever just went as it should, I'd be so amazed I'd keel over...
 

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Good to hear.

Ask to come with a legit Win 7 COA sicker (pro license). You will always be able to downgrade to Win 10.
 

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