Part 2: Microsoft silently preparing your PC for Win 10

[Layback Bear]

Yes, yes, yes Microsoft wants every Windows 7 user to go to Windows 10 and are trying to set things up through Windows 7 Updates.

I don't like their method but it's their call to a point.
You can do as many of us do is just remove the KB's or hide them.
I remove them if possible and have had no problems.

Personally I would need a complete ISO download or a Microsoft DVD to install Windows 10 when it has a prime time release.

I will not risk a completely good working Windows 7 COA to get Windows 10.
I know Microsoft states I would be able to go back to Windows 7 if I didn't like Windows 10. To much of a risk for me to do testing with a $140.00 Windows 7 Pro.

 

[groze]

Yes, yes, yes Microsoft wants every Windows 7 user to go to Windows 10 and are trying to set things up through Windows 7 Updates.

I don't like their method but it's their call to a point.
You can do as many of us do is just remove the KB's or hide them.
I remove them if possible and have had no problems.

Personally I would need a complete ISO download or a Microsoft DVD to install Windows 10 when it has a prime time release.

I will not risk a completely good working Windows 7 COA to get Windows 10.
I know Microsoft states I would be able to go back to Windows 7 if I didn't like Windows 10. To much of a risk for me to do testing with a $140.00 Windows 7 Pro.

I agree even though I don't have pro. I have an home premium but the windows 7 computer cost me or us around $400.00 (sort of a gift). I didn't agree to pay for windows 10.


It will also be interesting to see what happens on patch Tuesday.

 

[ThrashZone]

I look forward to a time when all of this recommended and optional updates stuff is over and only important updates are offered

 

[TVeblen]

Curious:
Does anyone know....
If we will be able to clean install Windows 10 for free (for 1 year) when they release the RTM?

Or is it going to be either-
Upgrade from windows 7 for free *
or
Buy a full retail copy to clean install.

* I suppose we could just clean install W7 fresh, then upgrade. ( I intend to keep an image of my current W7 as a backup). But I will want an actual installation file (ISO) to fondle and fetish.

I have already made up my mind to move to 10 when it comes out full release - warts and all. W7 is getting long in the tooth, and running current tech on an old OS is insane. I have no time now to play with the tech preview. I will do what I did when I went from XP to 7 - full immersion.

 

[Computer0304]

Regarding those mysterious updates - I think we should not get too wound up about them right now. I have made myself a 'watch list' of the KBs in question. And when the day comes that they trigger bothersome actions, I can still delete them. Chasing them right now on all my systems would be a full time job. Right now we don't even know what they will do.

Yeah, thats exactly what I'm thinking of too. Keep the updates and remove if anything odd starts.

...If you remove too much it might not work correctly.

If that happens, just reinstall the updates. so far, I haven't had any problems.

Yeah, I had to reinstall it for now because it caused Windows Update update check problems.

 

[whs]

If we will be able to clean install Windows 10 for free (for 1 year) when they release the RTM?

It is not supposed to be free for 1 year, but we can get it free during the first year and then keep it for the life of that hardware. And they said that there will be an iso. That would allow a clean install.

 

[RoasterMen]

I got used to their so "Descriptive" description of their updates because they think that their users wouldn't care enough.

 

[OvenMaster]

If Microsoft offers Win 7 users Windows 10 after its first Service Pack is issued, I might bite.
I am not interested in being a pre-SP1 beta-tester guinea pig.

 

[Computer0304]

Well doesn't RTM count as complete release which is not Beta?

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Well doesn't RTM count as complete release which is not Beta?

Yes, but the first complete release usually will still have some bugs that take a while to fix. Usually, the vast majority are fixed by SP1 which usually comes out around a year after the initial RTM. For that reason, many people prefer to wait until the first SP before adopting a new OS, both to avoid the early bugs and to make sure the new OS doesn't turn out to be a dud.

 

[whs]

As a developer, we had a rule of thumb - 1 bug per 1000 new and changed lines of code in the final product. Windows 7 is 40 Million lines of code (Vista was 50 Million). I don't know how many new and changed lines of code are in Windows 10. But the amount of bugs that is being shipped with RTM is not going to be negligible.

 

[TVeblen]

Agreed.
I moved to Windows 7 immediately after the RTM (Oct 2009). And I do not recall any bugs or aggravations. It was smooth right out of the gate.

 

[NoN]

Bought first a laptop back in 2009 shipped Oem Windows 7 Rtm few months after the testing OS, then when i moved to Desktop i bought retail box with SP1 already include...saved me from the updates hassle for a short time, though! Will move M$ anyway...

 

[ThrashZone]

The only weird part about upgrading to 7 from vista was the new libraries structure
Same files were in public folders as were in the my folders that was a little freaky for a little while

This PC thing is just as odd really,
I would not expect to see another PC listed in This PC
That to me would be That PC

 

[Brds7t7]

Personally, I'm going to wait for a few months before I get the free upgrade. Give MS and the 3rd party software apps a chance to get some early bugs out and things settle down. I used to be the first to jump on an early upgrade but I tend to wait these days (especially after the farce I had jumping straight from Android KK to Lollipop, but that's another story for another forum).

One thing I am wondering, I have a retail version Windows 7, if we get the free upgrade within the first year and then build a new pc after the first year is up, can we then transfer that Windows 7/10 licence to the new pc and it still be free? Or would we then have to pay for a new Windows 7/10 licence?

 

[whs]

One thing I am wondering, I have a retail version Windows 7, if we get the free upgrade within the first year and then build a new pc after the first year is up, can we then transfer that Windows 7/10 licence to the new pc and it still be free? Or would we then have to pay for a new Windows 7/10 licence?

I don't think so. It says "free for the life of the system". I read that when you change the mobo, that is a new system.

 

[Brds7t7]

One thing I am wondering, I have a retail version Windows 7, if we get the free upgrade within the first year and then build a new pc after the first year is up, can we then transfer that Windows 7/10 licence to the new pc and it still be free? Or would we then have to pay for a new Windows 7/10 licence?

I don't think so. It says "free for the life of the system". I read that when you change the mobo, that is a new system.

Does that mean I wouldn't even be able to transfer my "Retail" version of Windows 7 to a new system if I planned not to upgrade on the new system? That's a shame as it means it's a waste of a Retail licence that I could normally transfer to a new build.

 

[whs]

The Win7 retail is a different story. For that you paid money and can put it on another system. And I guess if you do that within the first year after Win10 RTM, then you are eligible for a free upgrade.

 

[Brds7t7]

The Win7 retail is a different story. For that you paid money and can put it on another system. And I guess if you do that within the first year after Win10 RTM, then you are eligible for a free upgrade.

Ah, that's good to know, thanks WHS.

Very confusing with MS licencing. I was thinking if you took the free upgrade you were essentially making your 7 licence void. I've never actually bought an upgrade version as I've always bought retail versions whenever I've installed. Guess we'll find out more in a few months anyway.

I skipped Windows 8 completely, but really liking the look of 10 so far.

 

[whs]

If you like W10, you would have liked W8.1. They are very similar.