Solved Question Regarding Product Key (sticker)

[Dj SharK]

Hi again!

I have a question regarding the product key 'sticker' located underneath laptops and/or the side of your desktop. Before i begin, let me just say that the question(s) below are basically just out of curiosity (for now). It sure will come in handy in future if i need to perform such action(s).

Back on topic. I'll be using a laptop as an example in this post.


Scenario: So let's say my HDD died and there's no possible way to send it (to the manufacture) for repairs or perform a data recovery on the drive as it's too heavily damaged. I then purchase a brand new HDD to replace it. The 'original' HDD of course contains the 'recovery manager' (on a separate partition) for us to perform a clean install/repair (plus the drivers, etc). By replacing the HDD, it's obvious that i no longer have the 'recovery manager/partition' as it's brand new (and oh, i didn't have a recovery CD/DVD too in this example).

Question: Is it possible for me to use a friends' Windows DVD (of the same OS and 'type' such as Home, Professional, ultimate, etc) and perform a clean install but instead of using the key which came with the DVD, I'll be using the product key located underneath the laptop? Will it work?

Every DVD are the same right? Or perhaps each DVD require it's own specific keys?
If i can't, you could stop reading here.
If i could, other than having to install the drivers myself (as opposed to the 'recovery manager' method where it'll install the drivers automatically since it's no longer available), will i come across any issues? Do i still retain the genuine stamp by doing this? Anything else i need to know besides those I've already mentioned above? And lastly, is there a possibility to 'install' the recovery manager on a the new drive (exactly as it was originally)?


EDIT: One last question to squeeze in - If my laptop originally came pre-installed with Windows 7 Home, could i install Windows 7 Professional (basically a different 'version') and using the product key the came with my laptop?



Thank you for taking the time to read!


Danny

 

[Bill2]

Yes, you can use a friend's dvd and install the SAME edition that came preinstalled on your computer, then activate online with the sticker key. If that doesnt go through (normally it does), just call MS and they'll activate for you. You'll still be genuine after all this.

The best way to preserve the recovery partition is to make recovery disks using the recovery manager software on the OEM computer. Running these disks on a new hdd can be tricky at times- you may need to create a minimum no. of partitions or go through some other loops for it to work. It depends on the OEM brand. You can also copy and save the recovery partition on an external drive, the specifics again depend on the oem brand.

 

[Dj SharK]

Thanks for your quick response Bill2! Rep added.

Yes, you can use a friend's dvd and install the SAME edition that came preinstalled on your computer, then activate online with the sticker key.

Glad to know it'll work. So by "SAME edition", i assume you meant if the laptop came with 'Home Basic', i can only use a 'Home Basic' DVD for the keys to work right?

If that doesnt go through (normally it does), just call MS and they'll activate for you. You'll still be genuine after all this.

Calling MS? I doubt that'll happen. I'll probably be on this forum asking for help.
Anyways, getting the genuine stamp is what's important (for me at least) and your answer is what i was expecting.

The best way to preserve the recovery partition is to make recovery disks using the recovery manager software on the OEM computer.

The DVD drive on the one laptop i have right now doesn't come with a burner and since the only way to burn a copy is directly from the laptop itself, it's going to be tough (i don't own an external burner nor do i plan to get one). If only i could copy/paste the recovery manager and transferring it to my desktop (since i have a burner for my desktop), it'll be much easier. But hey, I'm not complaining.

Running these disks on a new hdd can be tricky at times- you may need to create a minimum no. of partitions or go through some other loops for it to work. It depends on the OEM brand. You can also copy and save the recovery partition on an external drive, the specifics again depend on the oem brand.

I would love to know the how-to in regards to your last sentence. If there's a tutorial to do just that, it would be perfect as I'll not require the extra work such as looking for drivers, a quick and convenient way to perform a re-format/repair and much more.

The laptop is an old Compaq Presario C700 by the way. I know there's a BUNCH of C700's on the site. Unfortunately, i have no idea which mine is.



Danny

 

[Bill2]

1) Yes, if your comp came with Home basic, thats the one that'll get activated with the sticker keys. Remember product keys are edition specific, so a home basic key will not work with ultimate or hp or pro or starter.

2) Calling MS is very easy, if you ask for help here here this is what you'll be asked to do.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/18715-activate-windows-7-phone.html

3) HP-Compaq machines have a software called "recovery manager"- look for it under Start menu- All programs. Click on it and follow onscreen instructions to make your recovery disks.

What i would also suggest is you save an image of the install using macrium or acronis, then you can restore it without having to bother with app/driver installs.

 

[alphanumeric]

I think what he meant by the "call Microsoft" comment was to use the "activate by phone" option if it won't activate on line. A lot of manufacturers use SLP ( system locked profile) install media. During installation it checks the bios for an embedded marker that ID's the PC's brand and model. If the correct identifier is found windows installs without asking for a product key and is auto activated. The product key used doesn't match the one on the sticker. You can think of it as a corporate type of key. Every laptop of that model is using the same product code. The manufacturer just makes a master image and copies it to each PC. The one on the sticker has never been used before. When you try to use it, activation usually fails. But once you call Microsoft and explain what you did, they give you a code to enter to activate it. It happens a lot now that most laptops don't come with an actual Microsoft CD/DVD. You can make any Windows 7 DVD a universal install disk.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/85813-windows-7-universal-installation-disc-create.html?filter[2]=General Tips
If you can't find one to match your exact version, make a universal from what ever you can get a copy of. My recommendation is to create a bootable USB flash drive. Then just delete the ei.cfg file from the sources folder on the thumb drive.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2432-usb-windows-7-installation-key-drive-create.html?filter[2]=General Tips
Its been my experience that windows 7 installs much faster this way too.

 

[Dj SharK]

1) Yes, if your comp came with Home basic, thats the one that'll get activated with the sticker keys. Remember product keys are edition specific, so a home basic key will not work with ultimate or hp or pro or starter.

Ahh, got it.
@Forum staff: I hope i'm not breaking any rules by asking this (and if i did, please remove the paragraph below).
Say my laptop came with 'Windows 7 Home Premium' but the laptop is destroyed and I wasn't planning to sell or send it for repairs. Could i install Home Premium on my desktop and use the keys found on my damaged laptop? I'm pretty sure this is not allowed (right?) but if i were to do that, would it work?
(Disclaimer: I have no reason or intention to do this but curiosity got the best of me).

2) Calling MS is very easy, if you ask for help here here this is what you'll be asked to do.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/18715-activate-windows-7-phone.html

I just read the post you linked me to above. Initially, i thought i have to make an international call. I didn't know they do have a number located in my country! I learn something new yet again on this forum. Thanks for pointing it out!

3) HP-Compaq machines have a software called "recovery manager"- look for it under Start menu- All programs. Click on it and follow onscreen instructions to make your recovery disks.

What i would also suggest is you save an image of the install using macrium or acronis, then you can restore it without having to bother with app/driver installs.

As mentioned earlier, burning a recovery disk is not possible as the laptop doesn't have a burner (if that's what you meant). But i'll be sure to check out macrium and acronis. I would likely find a function on those program that is crucial and/or useful.


P.S.: These discussions/questions are just meant to feed my curiosity. There is nothing wrong with my laptop/desktop. These questions just crossed my mind so I wanted to get answers just in-case if it happens in future, I'll know what to do by then. (Wanted to mention this again as i don't want you to go through a lot of trouble with research, etc).

 

[Bill2]

Say my laptop came with 'Windows 7 Home Premium' but the laptop is destroyed and I wasn't planning to sell or send it for repairs. Could i install Home Premium on my desktop and use the keys found on my damaged laptop? I'm pretty sure this is not allowed (right?) but if i were to do that, would it work?
(Disclaimer: I have no reason or intention to do this but curiosity got the best of me).

Thats illegal. OEM keys are tied to the computer they come with, you cant use them on another computer.

 

[FliGi7]

As mentioned earlier, burning a recovery disk is not possible as the laptop doesn't have a burner (if that's what you meant). But i'll be sure to check out macrium and acronis. I would likely find a function on those program that is crucial and/or useful.

There are free programs to burn cd's and dvd's like the one below (I've used for a long time):

CDBurnerXP: Free CD and DVD burning software

 

[Dj SharK]

I think what he meant by the "call Microsoft" comment was to use the "activate by phone" option if it won't activate on line.

Did he really? I read through the topic and there's only mentions of "call MS" via phone. But that's okay though as i just learn that there's a local number to reach MS from where I'm located.

If you can't find one to match your exact version, make a universal from what ever you can get a copy of. My recommendation is to create a bootable USB flash drive. Then just delete the ei.cfg file from the sources folder on the thumb drive.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2432-usb-windows-7-installation-key-drive-create.html?filter[2]=General Tips
Its been my experience that windows 7 installs much faster this way too.

Wow, coincidentally, I've been on Google for the last hour looking for a quick and easy tutorial on how to 'copy' Windows 7 to my thumbdrive so i could use that instead of a DVD. I found a lot but I'll ignore them now since i trust tutorials in SevenForums more than any random sites. Thanks for the link alphanumeric!



Danny

 

[Dj SharK]

Say my laptop came with 'Windows 7 Home Premium' but the laptop is destroyed and I wasn't planning to sell or send it for repairs. Could i install Home Premium on my desktop and use the keys found on my damaged laptop? I'm pretty sure this is not allowed (right?) but if i were to do that, would it work?
(Disclaimer: I have no reason or intention to do this but curiosity got the best of me).

Thats illegal. OEM keys are tied to the computer they come with, you cant use them on another computer.

I pretty much figured it's illegal. Was just curious to know if it will work if someone does it.

As mentioned earlier, burning a recovery disk is not possible as the laptop doesn't have a burner (if that's what you meant). But i'll be sure to check out macrium and acronis. I would likely find a function on those program that is crucial and/or useful.

There are free programs to burn cd's and dvd's like the one below (I've used for a long time):

CDBurnerXP: Free CD and DVD burning software

Ermm, I'm sorry but i did say that the DVD drive on the laptop couldn't burn. It only reads, doesn't burn. I probably didn't phrase that clearly earlier.


Danny

 

[FliGi7]

There are free programs to burn cd's and dvd's like the one below (I've used for a long time):

CDBurnerXP: Free CD and DVD burning software

Ermm, I'm sorry but i did say that the DVD drive on the laptop couldn't burn. It only reads, doesn't burn. I probably didn't phrase that clearly earlier.


Danny

D'oh! Sorry. I read it no burner as no burning software. I apologize.

 

[NoN]

Say my laptop came with 'Windows 7 Home Premium' but the laptop is destroyed and I wasn't planning to sell or send it for repairs. Could i install Home Premium on my desktop and use the keys found on my damaged laptop? I'm pretty sure this is not allowed (right?) but if i were to do that, would it work?
(Disclaimer: I have no reason or intention to do this but curiosity got the best of me).

Thats illegal. OEM keys are tied to the computer they come with, you cant use them on another computer.

I pretty much figured it's illegal. Was just curious to know if it will work if someone does it.

As mentioned earlier, burning a recovery disk is not possible as the laptop doesn't have a burner (if that's what you meant). But i'll be sure to check out macrium and acronis. I would likely find a function on those program that is crucial and/or useful.

There are free programs to burn cd's and dvd's like the one below (I've used for a long time):

CDBurnerXP: Free CD and DVD burning software

Ermm, I'm sorry but i did say that the DVD drive on the laptop couldn't burn. It only reads, doesn't burn. I probably didn't phrase that clearly earlier.


Danny

You can buy or borrow external CD/DVD burner and plug onto laptop.

it works, it did it on old lappy once to make the recovery disks i used to be not made. Now, i know i have to make restore disk straight away before couldn't burn anymore!:shock:

 

[Dj SharK]

There are free programs to burn cd's and dvd's like the one below (I've used for a long time):

CDBurnerXP: Free CD and DVD burning software

Ermm, I'm sorry but i did say that the DVD drive on the laptop couldn't burn. It only reads, doesn't burn. I probably didn't phrase that clearly earlier.


Danny

D'oh! Sorry. I read it no burner as no burning software. I apologize.

Not needed, it was nothing. While we're talking about burning software, i have a few (on my desktop). I have PowerISO, ImgBurn and DVDFab just to name a few. For ISO, i love ImgBurn though.

You can buy or borrow external CD/DVD burner and plug onto laptop.

it works, it did it on old lappy once to make the recovery disks i used to be not made. Now, i know i have to make restore disk straight away before couldn't burn anymore!:shock:

I mentioned earlier that i have no intention to purchase one but i however do have a friend living 5 minutes down the road that could borrow me his external burner (he have before). Since i have no immediate concern or issues with my laptop, I'll not rush into it.


Oh, reps added for all. Much appreciated.

 

[DeaconFrost]

What you want to do is actual the very first step I perform on any family members OEM brand computer. The recovery partition shouldn't be your only method of recovery, as it is stored on the very drive that could die. On systems with burners, the recovery discs should always be made just in case, and then stored somewhere safe.

I always do a clean blank install using my discs. As for the versions, that isn't an issue anymore. You simple delete the ei.cfg file from the disc image and reburn or make a USB flash drive out of it, and you are given a choice of OS versions. You still need to pick the one you have the license for....but you don't need a specific version disc. All discs are the same once that ei.cfg file is deleted.

I would recommend getting all the necessary drivers downloaded and stored on a flash drive first, so once the clean install is done, you can load them up as well. Then, once it is up and running smoothly, I'll pop their key in and activate. After doing this about 25 times on OEM systems, I haven't once needed to call MS to activate, but it is a painless process if you do need to.

 

[Dj SharK]

What you want to do is actual the very first step I perform on any family members OEM brand computer. The recovery partition shouldn't be your only method of recovery, as it is stored on the very drive that could die. On systems with burners, the recovery discs should always be made just in case, and then stored somewhere safe.

I always do a clean blank install using my discs. As for the versions, that isn't an issue anymore. You simple delete the ei.cfg file from the disc image and reburn or make a USB flash drive out of it, and you are given a choice of OS versions. You still need to pick the one you have the license for....but you don't need a specific version disc. All discs are the same once that ei.cfg file is deleted.

I would recommend getting all the necessary drivers downloaded and stored on a flash drive first, so once the clean install is done, you can load them up as well. Then, once it is up and running smoothly, I'll pop their key in and activate. After doing this about 25 times on OEM systems, I haven't once needed to call MS to activate, but it is a painless process if you do need to.

Thanks for the tips.

So basically, preparation, planning ahead and prevention is always the best thing right? On my desktop, i have multiple copies of programs, username/password, important documents, etc saved on each and every HDD, external HDD and thumbdrives just in-case one or the other craps out. I learn the hard way when i lost valuable documents a couple years ago due to HDD failure. I pay a LOT of attention when it comes to my desktop but the laptop is more like a dust magnet some days. :devil:


Well, i've got to go get some rest now. It's 1:48 AM here now. Thank you very much for all the answers, assistance, response and everything else. SevenForums staff, experts and members never fail to help me every single time.

Have a good one lads and ladies.