RC1 64bit Not Responding

[Night Hawk]

You watch it will likely turn to be something in the bios needed or a driver disk much like seen when going to install XP on a sata drive used on older systems. The F6 option all over again for those?

 

[bum]

That brings up a question. Was AHCI mode selected in the BIOS before installing W7?

 

[Night Hawk]

That would likely have an effect with a sata drive on an existing installation of Vista maybe with 7 already on needing the correct driver installed. Using AHCI mode in Windows Vista

I came across one reference for OCZ SSD drives that might help. Troubleshooting - Installing and configuring your new OCZ SSD. - OCZ Forum

 

[djroberts]

It was not. It was set to IDE mode. I attempted to change it to AHCI mode and W7 crashed in a non-recoverable way. I'll do some more research on AHCI.

 

[Night Hawk]

That'll do it! Since 7 is close to Vista the first link there provides some information on how to go about changing modes while preserving the existing installation.

 

[bum]

Unlike XP, Vista and 7 have SATA drivers that load during setup. Enable AHCI before setup. It'll be a lot less trouble and should install faster.

 

[Night Hawk]

Well the problem is not so much the installation but seen once 7 is on and the mode is changed from ide to AHCI. That's when you need to see that driver installed in order to preserve the present.

The other problem is being seen with the newer SSD type drives were several complaints like this have been seen. That's still a rather new drive technology where a look at the brands as well as type may play a role in finding one that won't run into problems. Even with sata or even ide drives some rather cheap brands are being sold at a lot of places.

 

[brian5]

Not sure if it's related

Since installing Windows 7 x64 RC1, I get "(Not Responding)" a lot on all kinds of applications (IE, firefox, Excel, Explorer, ...)

The applications do come back eventually and there's typically a lot of disk I/O that occurs. I have used Resource Manager and Task Manager to determine if any programs look like a problem. There aren't any obvious ones. I've shut down apps like antivirus, proxy server, readyboost, but nothing seems to help. I've changed many BIOS options (to see if that would make a difference) but have currently gone back to the default.

Based on posts above, I'm going to check the AHCI settings in my BIOS to test impact.

My config:
Intel i7-920 2.66 ; MSI X58 Platinum ; EVGA NVidia 9800 GT 512MB ; Corsair DDR3 6GB 1600MHz ; Samsung 20X DVDRW ; HD SATA 500GB+250GB+1TB+1TB ; Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC1

 

[djroberts]

Interesting Brian. We both have i7 920s and x58 chipsets. Everything else looks different. I wonder if it's the x58 chipset causing the issue. When it stalls my cpu usage stays low. It basically feels like an artificial wait.

 

[Night Hawk]

It depends on how you are connected online. In order to see the 64bit connected I actually had to change ISPs entirely!

When the installation is first finishing and detects an active connection you will see a screen come up for "home network, Work Place, or Public" where most simply click on the Home option. That will see you online right off.

If you ignored that entirely or that never came up the problem may be with the drivers for the network adapter not being 64bit compatible or you need to recycly power on a modem as well as making sure the IE options don't list anything in the connections tab for dial-up there when trying to use the connect to internet option in Network + Sharing.

 

[djroberts]

Night Hawk, I'm not sure who's question your answering, did I miss something?

 

[Night Hawk]

Night Hawk, I'm not sure who's question your answering, did I miss something?

That was in regards to the problem brianS was mentioning there about not being able to get online in the 64bit RC. I went through enough of that even with the new ISP at first due to the low end modem they provided!

 

[brian5]

That was in regards to the problem brianS was mentioning there about not being able to get online in the 64bit RC. I went through enough of that even with the new ISP at first due to the low end modem they provided!

Thanks for trying to help but I don't have any problems getting online. My problems are that a lot (all?) of my programs spend a lot of time in "Not Responding" state when they have disk i/o to do. Most eventually return but the operation (e.g. importing IE bookmarks) take excessively long times to complete. One of the worst offenders is Explorer (or whatever it's called now).

I have experimented with various BIOS settings there's nothing that I've found to resolve this yet.

I've just now upgraded to Win 7 Build 7127 so I need to see that if that is still behaving the same way.

 

[Night Hawk]

You may have some type of software conflict going on there with the resources being competed for. One idea off the top would be disabling a few startups to see if things improve.

 

[bum]

Are you using OCZ's wiper.exe? It causes problems for 64-bit systems. Do you have the latest firmware?

You really need to try a disk drive to narrow down the problem. The process of elimination never fails.

 

[cwiz]

I do have the exact same lagginess issue with various applications that goes "Not Responding" for a few seconds before coming back. 7100 x64.

Fresh install on :
Core i7 975
Asus Rampage II Gene (X58)
Radeon HD 4770
Intel SSD X-25M 80GB

I installed with AHCI "on" in BIOS. Problem happens right after boot up. I tried another motherboard (DX58SO) with the exact same result with AHCI on. I was running these exact setups with build 7077 (and older) before (again clean installs) and never had such an issue. No problem with Vista x64.

We all 3 have SSD + X58. One major difference between 7077 and 7100 that I saw is that there are Intel chipset drivers for X58 inside the 7 7100 build. This may be the issue. I tried installing 9.1.1.1012 on top of them but only 3 of them got updated. I'll try forcing a full install and see what happens. Did 7127 fix it for you brian5 ?

 

[brian5]

cwiz,

Upgraded to build 7127 but it made no difference at all.

What actually made an immediate difference for me was flashing the BIOS with a different version. I had recently flashed the latest AMI BIOS 1.50 on my X58 Platinum but decided to flash it with AMI BIOS 3.40 which is for X58 Platinum SLI motherboards. I am not (currently) doing any overclocking.

The "not responding" messages appear to have subsided. Things are still not 100% though.
1. I was running Media Player with nothing else running and I got a Win7 message that Aero was going to be turned off as I was running low on video resources. I have NVidia GeForce 9800 GT 512MB so I should not have got that.
2. I especially notice it on the Explorer window. I open a folder and the the "green" status bar at the top can run for minutes populating the folder -- I have no idea what it's doing. I have attached a picture below. My CPU utilization is 10 - 17%. That Explorer window is still functional -- I'm not getting the "not responding" any more on that.

 

[bum]

I do have the exact same lagginess issue with various applications that goes "Not Responding" for a few seconds before coming back. 7100 x64.

Fresh install on :
Core i7 975
Asus Rampage II Gene (X58)
Radeon HD 4770
Intel SSD X-25M 80GB

Another MLC with a known problem:

Sector remap fragmentation slowing Intel X25-M SSDs - Ars Technica

Most SSDs currently available should be avoided!

 

[cwiz]

Another MLC with a known problem

No it's not. The performance issue was fixed in a firmware update earlier this month :  Intel® SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool

And the SSD doesn't exhibit any problem with 7 7077, Vista x64 or XP.

Edit : I flashed my BIOS to latest (was a month old) with no change. However I forced install of the Intel chipset driver (9.1.1.1012) by using the "-OVERALL" command line argument and I have yet to see Firefox go non responding. The provided X58 drivers may have been at fault here.

 

[anykey]

Hello folks, I am going to pop in here coz I am getting the same Not Responding problem

My system is x32bit.

When 7000 came out I used it and loved it and had no problems like this.
When the RC1 came out I did a clean install and this Not Responding issue started.
I have since done another Clean install using 7127.
The Not Responding problem remains

To do any work I have to go back to XP Pro (I dual boot).
Surely with so many folk having trouble with Not Responding apps there is a solution.
Please help if you can.
Thanks,