Retail Keys: Student vs non, Upgrade vs. Full

[zapp22]

Folks is there any difference between Upgrade Disc vs. Full Retail install, other than the key type [if that] ? and secondly, my understanding is that the Windows 7 Student Upgrade program key types were limited to W7 Pro and HOme types - is that correct or did they also include Ultimate?

thx

 

[NoelDP]

Since I've been prodded into this, here's my understanding of the situation.

1) Windows 7 Retail, OEM, and Upgrade disks for any given edition and SP level are bit-identical - the only differentiation is the Key.

2) Student editions - by which I take it to mean MSDNAA - are usually either Pro or Ultimate/Enterprise, and may be either Retail, KMS or MAK licensed, and may or may not as a result be perpetual licenses or one-use ones. You should enquire of the issuing authority exactly what availability and license restrictions are (they should tell you beforehand anyhow).

3) There are discounted student licenses available through retail channels -see Microsoft Student and similar - and are perpetual licenses.
Be VERY careful where you get such deals - stick with sites that you can definitively trace back to MS, as a lot of counterfeits will be being offloaded as 'special student deals' in the near future, I suspect

 

[zapp22]

ok. it feels like the cd key and/or the Product key, then, can't tell us which is which? that is, the syntax/algorithm of the key itself does not indicate which of the key types is in play?
I'd like to redeploy that key and return this unit to its original XP Home COA but if the key is non-reusable then I may as well let it go as is.

maybe I'll do the unthinkable and call Microsoft and see if they can sort it

 

[NoelDP]

MS will be able to tell you what the license type for any given Key is - but probably won't be able to tell the specific license restrictions, if it's a Volume license (different databases).
If the Key is currently installed, post an MGADiag report, and we'll see what we can say about it....


Please follow this tutorial and post an MGADiag report - then we can see what the problem is.

http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/234159-windows-genuine-activation-issue-posting-instructions.html


Please also state the Version and Edition of Windows quoted on your COA sticker (if you have one) on the case of your machine (or inside the battery compartment), but do NOT quote the Key on the sticker!
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/howtotell/Hardware.aspx

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[zapp22]

keyfinder gives: Product Part No.: X15-38932
Installed from 'Compliance Checked Product' media.

it was a "retail" cd of some kind.
I'll load up the Diag and post results in a bit

The COA, as already stated, is for Windows XP Home. This is an older/low-end Toshiba Satellite used by a student, traded in. It was an easy fix - up and running and the Windows 7 install in good shape - no problems.
The license would be more valuable on a modern system, and the Satellite would be FAR quicker returned to Win XP

 

[NoelDP]

All of that is almost totally irrelevant (and I can find no references to the X15-38932 SKU code) - please post the MGADiag report if you can.

 

[zapp22]

here we go


Diagnostic Report (1.9.0027.0):
-----------------------------------------
Windows Validation Data-->

Validation Code: 0
Cached Online Validation Code: 0x0
Windows Product Key: *****-*****-3***7-4***X-G***7
Windows Product Key Hash: Nqwopfa2GzBq25ItQG0IJX5/xnM=
Windows Product ID: 00426-437-3322173-85537
Windows Product ID Type: 5
Windows License Type: Retail
Windows OS version: 6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001
ID: {0DE9}(1)
Is Admin: Yes
TestCab: 0x0
LegitcheckControl ActiveX: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Product Name: Windows 7 Ultimate
Architecture: 0x00000000
Build lab: 7601.win7sp1_gdr.120330-1504
TTS Error:
Validation Diagnostic:
Resolution Status: N/A

Vista WgaER Data-->
ThreatID(s): N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

Windows XP Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
File Exists: No
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaTray.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
WgaLogon.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Notifications Data-->
Cached Result: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Version: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAExec.exe Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
OGAAddin.dll Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002

OGA Data-->
Office Status: 109 N/A
OGA Version: N/A, 0x80070002
Signed By: N/A, hr = 0x80070002
Office Diagnostics: B4D0AA8B-604-645_025D1FF3-364-80041010_025D1FF3-229-80041010_025D1FF3-230-1_025D1FF3-517-80040154_025D1FF3-237-80040154_025D1FF3-238-2_025D1FF3-244-80070002_025D1FF3-258-3

Browser Data-->
Proxy settings: N/A
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win32)
Default Browser: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
Download signed ActiveX controls: Prompt
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: Disabled
Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins: Allowed
Initialize and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: Disabled
Allow scripting of Internet Explorer Webbrowser control: Disabled
Active scripting: Allowed
Script ActiveX controls marked as safe for scripting: Allowed

File Scan Data-->

Other data-->
Office Details: <GenuineResults><MachineData><UGUID>{0D8723C7-69DA-45AC-B408-89E0AF39DAE9}</UGUID><Version>1.9.0027.0</Version><OS>6.1.7601.2.00010100.1.0.001</OS><Architecture>x32</Architecture><PKey>*****-*****-*****-*****-GRH27</PKey><PID>00426-437-3322173-85537</PID><PIDType>5</PIDType><SID>S-1-5-21-2467559345-3877154122-3667193573</SID><SYSTEM><Manufacturer>TOSHIBA</Manufacturer><Model>Satellite A105</Model></SYSTEM><BIOS><Manufacturer>Phoenix Technologies LTD</Manufacturer><Version>2.30 </Version><SMBIOSVersion major="2" minor="34"/><Date>20080930000000.000000+000</Date></BIOS><HWID>E4E13E07018400E2</HWID><UserLCID>0409</UserLCID><SystemLCID>0409</SystemLCID><TimeZone>Central Standard Time(GMT-06:00)</TimeZone><iJoin>0</iJoin><SBID><stat>3</stat><msppid></msppid><name></name><model></model></SBID><OEM><OEMID>HPQOEM</OEMID><OEMTableID>SLIC-MPC</OEMTableID></OEM><GANotification/></MachineData><Software><Office><Result>109</Result><Products/><Applications/></Office></Software></GenuineResults>

Spsys.log Content: 0x80070002

Licensing Data-->
Software licensing service version: 6.1.7601.17514

Name: Windows(R) 7, Ultimate edition
Description: Windows Operating System - Windows(R) 7, RETAIL channel
Activation ID: ac96e1a8-6cc4-4310-a4ff-332ce77fb5b8
Application ID: 55c92734-d682-4d71-983e-d6ec3f16059f
Extended PID: 00426-00170-437-332217-01-1033-7600.0000-0672010
Installation ID: 006134200724864671643992322586477945508561347821128871
Processor Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88338
Machine Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88339
Use License URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88341
Product Key Certificate URL: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=88340
Partial Product Key: GRH27
License Status: Licensed
Remaining Windows rearm count: 4
Trusted time: 10/22/2012 2:08:36 PM

Windows Activation Technologies-->
HrOffline: 0x00000000
HrOnline: 0x00000000
HealthStatus: 0x0000000000000000
Event Time Stamp: 10:22:2012 07:51
ActiveX: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
Admin Service: Registered, Version: 7.1.7600.16395
HealthStatus Bitmask Output:


HWID Data-->
HWID Hash Current: MgAAAAEABAABAAEAAAABAAAAAgABAAEAnJ/wrH4qqDeG6V4/UAL2CBYzeDxWtqYD0Ek=

OEM Activation 1.0 Data-->
N/A

OEM Activation 2.0 Data-->
BIOS valid for OA 2.0: yes
Windows marker version: 0x20001
OEMID and OEMTableID Consistent: yes
BIOS Information:
ACPI Table Name OEMID Value OEMTableID Value
APIC TOSINV APIC
FACP TOSINV Goldfish
MCFG TOSINV MCFG
SSDT TOSINV Cpu0Cst
SSDT TOSINV Cpu0Cst
SLIC HPQOEM SLIC-MPC

 

[NoelDP]

The installation is possibly counterfeit.
There is certainly an Activation Exploit installed - hence the HP SLIC table in the BIOS.
The Key itself looks like it's a Retail one - whether it would be validated without the Exploit being present is another matter, and it's not valid without the accompanying Proof of License label and paperwork/boxes anyhow.

 

[zapp22]

none of this is my question, important as it might be if your "possibly" were "sure".

the question is what type of retail license is it? upgrade, or non?
if we can't answer that, then the logical other question would be "how on earth would anyone know?" or maybe "why does it matter?"

the system has been on the wire everyday for as long as the installation has been there - sometime in 2010, and is validated and activated.

The installation is possibly counterfeit.
There is certainly an Activation Exploit installed - hence the HP SLIC table in the BIOS.
The Key itself looks like it's a Retail one - whether it would be validated without the Exploit being present is another matter, and it's not valid without the accompanying Proof of License label and paperwork/boxes anyhow.

 

[NoelDP]

It all becomes irrelevant if yu don't hold the licensing paraphernalia is some shape or form.
It's Retail - and from what I can make out from my archive, it's a Full license. Not that it matters either way, since presumaly you have a qualifying license for the the machine to which you intend to move the product. OTOH, if you're contemplating moving it to an 'unlicensed' machine, you could start the install, and see whether the Key is accepted by the installer. If it takes the Key, then it's a full license. If it doesn't, then either it's a hack, or an Upgrade.

Your other option is to phone MS to check.

 

[zapp22]

ok.
thx noel.