Show Us Your WEI (2)

[hi87]

Update.

 

[Dave76]

Yes, I've noticed that the Turbo mode is still on, even if it is not an option in the BIOS.

Two key points, high temps are bad and you should think about getting an after market CPU cooler.
The Intel cooler is very limited. You can get a good air cooler for $20-50.

Make sure your case gets proper air ventilation, don't put it in a small closed cabinet.

CPU thermal paste is very important to get applied correctly, read up on it, there are a lot of info on how to do it. Too little doesn't work, too much doesn't work either, just remember you are filling micro holes on the metal finish so it needs to be very thin, almost transparent. Ensure the cooler mounting bolts are tight.

I have Noctua NH14 CPU cooler with ArticSilver 5 applied, as per instruction at ArticSilver site. You did summarize the process well, better than the site did.

I don't use the cooler that comes with the CPU, it's more of a noise reduction purpose than anything else. The tower also have four case fans; two on the front pulling in air, while the back ones are pushing air out. There's one internal fan for the four hard drive and of course the standard CPU, power supply, and video card fan(s). It's still quite since the fans run at 900-1200 RPM.

Check your CPU specs here.
Intel® Core™ i5-760 Processor (8M Cache, 2.80 GHz)

Thanks for the specs...

The RealTemp 3.6 indicates TJmax as 99 degree Celsius; evidently, that's an incorrect value then, right?

Here are some of the temperatures, using Real Temp.

Default settings in the BIOS, no OC:

I am not sure that the temperature for the torture test is normal. Other than that, the system runs just fined OC-d to 3.2.

The temperature difference from the idle to the torture is about 40; is that a "normal" swing? Once the torture is over, the temperature quickly drops down to the idle values.

The RealTemp TJmax of 99°C is wrong for your CPU, it's the default value RealTemp uses. Each CPU has a different max temp safe limit, RealTemp doesn't change automatically.

Mine idles at 29°C and with Prime95 torture test at 57°C.
My OC goes to 3.84 on 1&2 cores and 3.36 on 3&4 cores.

I would put the fan on your CPU cooler, it will cool much better when your CPU is running fast. You should have about 30°C increase when running Prime95.
The fan should drop your temps by 10°C when the CPU is running at max speed.

 

[A Guy]

Update.

Very impressive!

A Guy

 

[A Guy]

The RealTemp TJmax of 99°C is wrong for your CPU, it's the default value RealTemp uses. Each CPU has a different max temp safe limit, RealTemp doesn't change automatically.

Mine idles at 29°C and with Prime95 torture test at 57°C.
My OC goes to 3.84 on 1&2 cores and 3.36 on 3&4 cores.

I would put the fan on your CPU cooler, it will cool much better when your CPU is running fast. You should have about 30°C increase when running Prime95.
The fan should drop your temps by 10°C when the CPU is running at max speed.

Dave, are you sure? I've done a lot of reading on this, and while I've yet to see an Intel page saying X is the TJmax, it is widely said that both the i5 750 and i5 760 have a TJmax of approx. 100c. It is said that the creators of Real Temp have done extensive testing with DTS on the case and the actual die. I am led to believe that this is the actual TJmax for these CPUs. While it is a relative moot point if your max temps don't exceed say 70c. Any clarification would be great. A Guy

 

[imeem]

any1 seen the WEI score for the i7 980x or any xeon?

 

[Cr00zng]

The RealTemp TJmax of 99°C is wrong for your CPU, it's the default value RealTemp uses. Each CPU has a different max temp safe limit, RealTemp doesn't change automatically.

Mine idles at 29°C and with Prime95 torture test at 57°C.
My OC goes to 3.84 on 1&2 cores and 3.36 on 3&4 cores.

That's a "cool" machine you've got there...

Mine does idle about the same value with open case, but during the torture it goes up to the mid-seventies:

Prime95_torture_open case.JPG

Closing it up and placing the case back into my desk increases both values by 6-8 degree Celsius.

I would put the fan on your CPU cooler, it will cool much better when your CPU is running fast. You should have about 30°C increase when running Prime95. The fan should drop your temps by 10°C when the CPU is running at max speed.

I do have a fan on the heatsink that is also right next to the case fan in the back and top of the case. I used Zalman heatsink in the same case for my Core2 CPU and I could disconnect the CPU fan, close the case, and the CPU temperature didn't change much. That's how well the two case fans moved the air around the CPU.

The Noctua heatsink did come with two fans, 120 and 140mm, and I am only using 140mm one due to space restriction and keeping the machine quite as well. Maybe I should reset the heatsink, figure out a way for adding the second fan, or should have stayed with Zalman.

 

[Dave76]

The RealTemp TJmax of 99°C is wrong for your CPU, it's the default value RealTemp uses. Each CPU has a different max temp safe limit, RealTemp doesn't change automatically.

Mine idles at 29°C and with Prime95 torture test at 57°C.
My OC goes to 3.84 on 1&2 cores and 3.36 on 3&4 cores.

I would put the fan on your CPU cooler, it will cool much better when your CPU is running fast. You should have about 30°C increase when running Prime95.
The fan should drop your temps by 10°C when the CPU is running at max speed.

Dave, are you sure? I've done a lot of reading on this, and while I've yet to see an Intel page saying X is the TJmax, it is widely said that both the i5 750 and i5 760 have a TJmax of approx. 100c. It is said that the creators of Real Temp have done extensive testing with DTS on the case and the actual die. I am led to believe that this is the actual TJmax for these CPUs. While it is a relative moot point if your max temps don't exceed say 70c. Any clarification would be great. A Guy

Intel® Core™ i5-750 Processor (8M Cache, 2.66 GHz)

Tcase is the CPU, add 5°C for the core temps.

72.7 °C + 5°C=77.7°C is the max safe temp recommended by Intel.


This thread explains it pretty well.

What Is The Maximum Temperature Stock Fan Core i7 920???​

Scroll down to

CompuTronix's post.​

Core i and Core 2 processors have 2 different types of temperature sensors; a CPU case (not computer case) Thermal Diode centered under the Cores, and Digital Thermal Sensors located on each Core. The case Thermal Diode measures Tcase(Temperature case), which is CPU temperature, and the Digital Thermal Sensors measure Tjunction (Temperaturejunction), which is Core temperature. Since these sensors measure 2 distinct thermal levels, there is a 5c temperature difference between them, which is Tcase to Tjunction Gradient. Core i7’s / i5’s and Core 2 Quad’s have 1 Tcase and 4Tjunction sensors, while Core 2 Duo's have 1 Tcase and 2 Tjunction sensors ...

The Thermal Specification shown in Intel's Processor Spec Finder is Tcase Max (CPU) not Tjunction (Core), which is a very common misconception among most enthusiasts. Since there's a 5c gradient between the CPU sensor and the Core sensors, (shown in the following Intel document) - http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0709/0709.1861.pdf - just add 5c to the value shown in the Spec Finder to determine the corresponding Core temperature, which is 73c for all Core i7 9xx variants.​

Intel's second and frequently misunderstood Thermal Specification, Tjunction Max, (100c for all Core i7 9xx variants) applies to overtemp protection such as Throttle and Shutdown, so you don't toast your transistors. As such, any i7 9xx Core temperatures which exceed 73c should be considered "overtemp". Further, when specifications are exceeded, then processor degradation becomes a concern, which is explained in the following AnandTech article -http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/i [...] i=3251&p=6​

To clarify my post above, most people think TJmax is the max temp they can run there system at, it's actually the over temp protection functions that keeps you from melting your CPU. To make shorter explainations I usually assume they mean max temp they should run there system at.

Intel CPU's maximum voltages and temps!

 

[gendoikari1]

any1 seen the WEI score for the i7 980x or any xeon?

The 980x gets around 7.7-7.8

 

[imeem]

any1 seen the WEI score for the i7 980x or any xeon?

The 980x gets around 7.7-7.8

thx. BTW i'm curious what WEI did you system get?

 

[gendoikari1]

any1 seen the WEI score for the i7 980x or any xeon?

The 980x gets around 7.7-7.8

thx. BTW i'm curious what WEI did you system get?

See here.

 

[Cr00zng]

To clarify my post above, most people think TJmax is the max temp they can run there system at, it's actually the over temp protection functions that keeps you from melting your CPU. To make shorter explainations I usually assume they mean max temp they should run there system at.

So, the TJmax is 100 degree Celsius for the i5-7xx CPU at which point the thermal protection of the CPU kicks in to throttle it back, or shut it down, to protect the CPU. The 72-77 degree Celsius is the limit to safely run the CPU at for prolonged time. Am I understanding you correctly?

XBIT has tested the i5-860 and they had no issues running it at 89 degree Celsius for a prolonged time:

Intel Core i5-760 CPU Review. Page 8 - X-bit labs

 

[Dave76]

Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?
EDIT: The above comment, especially 'Until degraded' was intended for the linked site article from the above post.

72°C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5°C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7°C.

If you search around enough you will find many different "operating temps" listed.
You will find that many people especially on OC sites will say anything under TJmax is OK, if they are pushed they will say it's ok because they plan on selling the CPU in less than a year (to some poor unsuspecting person) or they don't mind tossing it in the garbage and buying a new one for the sake of getting the bragging rights to high long term speeds.
Knowledgable members at good sites always give the disclaimer: OC at your own risk.

Running CPUs at high temps has its risks, each CPU runs differently, speeds obtainable, temps, etc.
Heat kills electronics.
The manufactoring processor grading is known as binning, when the processors are made they are tested and separated by the results of the tests and then put into bins, these are used for different models, i7-980 to the lowest models. Some i7-980s run hotter than others due to the quality of the transistors and won't OC without more heat compared to another with the better transistors.
It's the luck of the draw.

Each person has to decide for themselves if they want to OC, and decide the level of risk/level of OC.
Heat is the key to the risk level.

I OC'ed until I found my heat wall, with my cooling system, then backed it down so I could run at a safe temp. But that's just me, some people must reach that 4+ GHz level no matter the risk.

Decide your risk level, start slow and find your 'Walls' and do what you can to keep reasonable temps.
Unless you don't mind tossing your CPU and getting a new one, then go ahead and crank it up.

 

[Beginning]

^well said there Dave

 

[RealGoneKid]

Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72°C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5°C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7°C.

If you search around enough you will find many different "operating temps" listed.
You will find that many people especially on OC sites will say anything under TJmax is OK, if they are pushed they will say it's ok because they plan on selling the CPU in less than a year (to some poor unsuspecting person) or they don't mind tossing it in the garbage and buying a new one for the sake of getting the bragging rights to high long term speeds.
Knowledgable members at good sites always give the disclaimer: OC at your own risk.

Running CPUs at high temps has its risks, each CPU runs differently, speeds obtainable, temps, etc.
Heat kills electronics.
The manufactoring processor grading is known as binning, when the processors are made they are tested and separated by the results of the tests and then put into bins, these are used for different models, i7-980 to the lowest models. Some i7-980s run hotter than others due to the quality of the transistors and won't OC without more heat compared to another with the better transistors.
It's the luck of the draw.

Each person has to decide for themselves if they want to OC, and decide the level of risk/level of OC.
Heat is the key to the risk level.

I OC'ed until I found my heat wall, with my cooling system, then backed it down so I could run at a safe temp. But that's just me, some people must reach that 4+ GHz level no matter the risk.

Decide your risk level, start slow and find your 'Walls' and do what you can to keep reasonable temps.
Unless you don't mind tossing your CPU and getting a new one, then go ahead and crank it up.

Fair plays, modern philosophy, Great advice...

 

[Julio Cortez]

Mine is just 5.9.. Damn SATA II hard disk!!

 

[Cr00zng]

Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72°C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5°C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7°C.

First of all, I build my systems, use them for 3-4 years, no or minimal upgrades, then build another one. I do not sell old parts, damaged or otherwise; I still have in an envelop loaded with CPUs from the 386 CPU to the Core 2 CPU, and anything between. Not once I had to change the CPU because it has degraded.

Second of all, you were the one who suggested that I OC my system; yes, it was my choice not yours. When I tried first time and the CPU reached close to 100 degree Celsius, this is how you started your reply:

Good start in your OC'ing.

Here's the link to your referenced post:
http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/83699-show-us-your-wei-2-a-137.html#post1168728

I was simply asking you if I've understand your previous post correctly. I had no intent to run my CPU at high temperature, even if I just started to OC. I know that the prolonged high temperature does damage the CPU. In testing, maybe once or twice for a minute or so the CPU reached did high nineties. Since there was a disagreement of the max temp, I was looking for advise. I did not anticipate that you'll just accuse me of selling damaged CPU. Thanks Dave...

And for your knowledge, a simple reset of the heatsink did lower the CPU temperature by 20+ degree; currently my system idles in the mid-thirties and full load is in the mid-fifties.

 

[FirewaveZ]

I really want one of those 940XM...

Anyone know what scores they get?

 

[Dave76]

Yes, that's right.

Define prolonged time. 24 hours, 24 days, until degraded and then sell it?

72°C is listed on Intel's site as Tcase, the CPU case, add 5°C for Tjunction which is CPU cores, this is what CPU temp monitoring programs use. So when using SpeedFan, RealTemp, CoreTemp, etc. max temp is 77.7°C.

First of all, I build my systems, use them for 3-4 years, no or minimal upgrades, then build another one. I do not sell old parts, damaged or otherwise; I still have in an envelop loaded with CPUs from the 386 CPU to the Core 2 CPU, and anything between. Not once I had to change the CPU because it has degraded.

Second of all, you were the one who suggested that I OC my system; yes, it was my choice not yours. When I tried first time and the CPU reached close to 100 degree Celsius, this is how you started your reply:

Good start in your OC'ing.

Here's the link to your referenced post:
http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/83699-show-us-your-wei-2-a-137.html#post1168728

I was simply asking you if I've understand your previous post correctly. I had no intent to run my CPU at high temperature, even if I just started to OC. I know that the prolonged high temperature does damage the CPU. In testing, maybe once or twice for a minute or so the CPU reached did high nineties. Since there was a disagreement of the max temp, I was looking for advise. I did not anticipate that you'll just accuse me of selling damaged CPU. Thanks Dave...

And for your knowledge, a simple reset of the heatsink did lower the CPU temperature by 20+ degree; currently my system idles in the mid-thirties and full load is in the mid-fifties.

I think it was getting very late when I wrote that, did not mean to imply you would sell any degraded hardware.

I've read many OC'ing forums where this was said, and was just mentioning that some info you read on OC'ing sites is not what the average enthusiast would want to do, mainly OC'ing at high temps because they don't plan on keeping the hardware or they just don't care if it dies.
I have seen a lot of posts at different sites telling someone, that is just starting to OC, that 90-100°C is ok, I think it's appropiate to mention the risk and possible damage that can occur at these high clocks and temps and tell them "OC at your own risk'.
There are a few members at these other forums that do mention these things, but don't see it enough.

Glad to hear that your CPU temps are down.

 

[Hondajt]

updated score

Got my new Intel AHCI drivers installed, and with a mild overclock, I'm at a lowest of 7.6 I love my Microcenter SSD and MSI GTX460. It's so quiet now!

 

[jr26]

Just upgraded my GTX 260 to a Radeon HD 6870. So far happy with the results in games. WEI also jumped from 7.3 to 7.8