System image, clone, and restore points

[betaupsilon]

betaupsilon

All I did to get restore points to work in my Clone was to turn on Restore and reboot.
Then I downloaded and used the Fixit from Microsoft at this site while booted in my Clone. Rebooted into Clone again.

Then tested my Restore Points in the Clone to a early date and it worked.
Updated what was needed and I'm back in business on my Clone.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/982736

For what ever reason when I use Macrium to clone the Restore Point are there you just can't use them. The above fixed that problem.

Hope this helps!

Layback,
When you created your clone did you do sector by sector or the quicker method by MACRIUM?

 

[Layback Bear]

I used Macrium Reflect for my Clones and/or backups.

I Clone the complete ssd drive to another ssd drive.

Then I use (F8) and select with ssd to boot.

I was in my Clone ssd today just to update everything (security, Flash,ect.)
I keep it updated just in case I really need it.

 

[betaupsilon]

I used Macrium Reflect for my Clones and/or backups.

Actually, what I mean is that MACRIUM has a sector by sector option which is slower. Did you use that option or the standard operation?

 

[Layback Bear]

I keep my restore points on my Original and Cloned drive at 5%.
If yours are a 0% then 0% is what you get. No restore points.

 

[betaupsilon]

I keep my restore points on my Original and Cloned drive at 5%.
If yours are a 0% then 0% is what you get. No restore points.

I do the same. When I mentioned my FAILED experiment I was using the WindowsImageBackup utility.

I have a triple boot system & when I create the image I am obviously only booted into 1 OS. I have SYS PROTECTION ON for each OS individually when I am booted in that OS. SYS PROTECTION is OFF for the other 2. When I create this image do I need to enable all 3 so that RESTORE PTS are transferred to the image?

 

[Layback Bear]

A image and a clone are two different things as to the way they work as far as I know.
At the present time I'm booted into my Clone as I type.

In the cmd promt or Power shell you can see a lot about restore points.


vssadmin list

Just pick on of the subjects you desire to look at under.
---- Commands Supported ----

Example:
vssadmin list shadowstorage

Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) 2015 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

PS C:\Users\Jack> vssadmin List
vssadmin 1.1 - Volume Shadow Copy Service administrative command-line tool
(C) Copyright 2001-2005 Microsoft Corp.

Error: Invalid command.

---- Commands Supported ----

Delete Shadows - Delete volume shadow copies
List Providers - List registered volume shadow copy providers
List Shadows - List existing volume shadow copies
List ShadowStorage - List volume shadow copy storage associations
List Volumes - List volumes eligible for shadow copies
List Writers - List subscribed volume shadow copy writers
Resize ShadowStorage - Resize a volume shadow copy storage association
PS C:\Users\Jack>

 

[betaupsilon]

I used Macrium Reflect for my Clones and/or backups.

Actually, what I mean is that MACRIUM has a sector by sector option which is slower. Did you use that option or the standard operation?

Again Layback, I am going to give MACRIUM a try. Did you use the standard operation or the sector by sector option? MACRIUM refers to this as FORENSIC sector copy as opposed to INTELLIGENT sector copy

 

[Layback Bear]

I do not use sector by sector anything. I Clone the complete disk to another freshly formatted ssd. I Cloned the top drive to the bottom drive.

 

[Layback Bear]

This video should help.

 

[betaupsilon]

I do not use sector by sector anything. I Clone the complete disk to another freshly formatted ssd. I Cloned the top drive to the bottom drive.

OK, sounds like the INTELLIGENT sector option. These options are under the ADVANCED options tab. That is what I was referring to.

 

[RolandJS]

",,,Again Layback, I am going to give MACRIUM a try. Did you use the standard operation or the sector by sector option? MACRIUM refers to this as FORENSIC sector copy as opposed to INTELLIGENT sector copy.."

I use Macrium Reflect a lot for imaging, six usb ext HDs for three computers. Both the sector by sector choice and the intelligent copy choice only pertain to imaging, not to cloning. Concerning Intelligent Copy choice -- imaging is like zipping, empty byte-space is not saved, folders and files are compressed, squeezed like water squeezed out of fruit [becoming dried fruit], kinda like the commercials where a vacuum cleaner sucks the air out of the packed plastic bag. During a restore, the "air is put back in," "the water is put back in."
Sector-by-Sector choice -- will create an image of everything, stuff and space, found in targeted partition.

Cloning is a sector-sector, cluster by cluster copy of an entire source hard-drive onto another equal-size or larger size target hard-drive; duplication. Remember Ahhhnold in Total Recall? The original husband and his clone, the exact carbon copy?

 

[Layback Bear]

I have not recommended any particular way of saving, backing up, or saving data.

All I was trying to do is explain my method of Cloning. I fully understand that Cloning does not suite everybody.
Many don't use it.
I use it and like it, but I don't over complicate it. I just follow the basic instruction that Macrium gives and I think the video I posted is a good example.

I do it exactly like my picture in my post #9.
If need be I will do a wipe of the drive the clone will be installed.

1. I select the drive/disk I want to Clone
2. Under that drive/disk as it states (Clone this disk)
3. It will give a option where one wants the Clone to be installed. I select the ssd where I want the Clone to be installed and just follow on screen instruction.
4. When the Clone has completed I boot into the Clone to make sure things work as they should.

I have found a few things that one can deal with after the clone is complete.
If for what ever reason one doesn't like the Clone all one has to do is wipe the disk clean and try what ever one wants to do.

I keep my Clones as Hotswaps. I can boot into them at anytime using (F8).
I keep my Clones updated just like any other Windows 7 system.

I wouldn't and don't use Clone for data, game, music ect. on other drives/disk.
That is, in my opinion is where back ups to External drives is for.

If you notice in my pictures my Clone is very small because I keep little on the operating system drive/disk.

My thought are also simple like me.

If one has a operating system stop working all that needs to be done is boot into the Clone.
From the Clone anything can be done just the original installation of Windows 7.
You should be able to access the same drives and backup as the original installation of Windows 7 could do.

The Clones are used only on the computer that they were made from so their is no problems with bios, drivers, activation ect. A Clone is a Clone.

NOTE:
I haven't had any problems with my systems so their is a lot of my thoughts with no documented proof.
I have made images for a long time but never had to use one. I would have to watch a video to remember how to do it.
I also have Clones but never really had to use one. Knock on wood.
I'm not promoting, suggesting or pushing Cloning to anybody that does not want to try it.
I do it and like it.
I don't over complicate it. I don't know every thing their is to know about Macrium Reflect. Rather a small part that I have found useful to me.

If one is interested in knowing more about about Macrium Reflect their is truck loads of information available. Here is one source.

Macrium Reflect v6 User Guide - KnowledgeBase - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase

 

[derekimo]

I just cloned a HDD to an SSD with Macrium, same as Jack did, I have no idea what any of that sector by sector or intelligent sector stuff is, it just worked by clicking clone this drive.

 

[Layback Bear]

Just a note.
One can clone a complete disk or just a partition on the disk by checking or not checking the little box under each partition. That is about all incremental as it gets as far as I know.

My three brain cell work in one modem, (KISS)

 

[RolandJS]

...sector by sector or intelligent sector stuff is...

that stuff is in the imaging menu, not the cloning menu My earlier post broke out the two imaging choices.

 

[betaupsilon]

...sector by sector or intelligent sector stuff is...

that stuff is in the imaging menu, not the cloning menu My earlier post broke out the two imaging choices.

I will double check, but I believe it applies to cloning as well.

 

[betaupsilon]

...sector by sector or intelligent sector stuff is...

that stuff is in the imaging menu, not the cloning menu My earlier post broke out the two imaging choices.

I will double check, but I believe it applies to cloning as well.

It DOES apply to cloning as well. Check the ADVANCED options which by default does INTELLIGENT sector copy.

 

[betaupsilon]

betaupsilon

All I did to get restore points to work in my Clone was to turn on Restore and reboot.
Then I downloaded and used the Fixit from Microsoft at this site while booted in my Clone. Rebooted into Clone again.

Then tested my Restore Points in the Clone to a early date and it worked.
Updated what was needed and I'm back in business on my Clone.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/982736

For what ever reason when I use Macrium to clone the Restore Point are there you just can't use them. The above fixed that problem.

Hope this helps!

Layback,
I posted this on the other thread, but will do so here because it seems that some of our replies have been deleted or relocated from that thread.

Below are screenshots of SYS PROTECTION & RESTORE PTS for both the source & the clone. You can see that the RESTORE PTS are missing; however, in the Disk Space Usage there seems to be something. Also, notice the SYS PROTECTION is turned OFF while the missing SOURCE system is ON.

I have not tried the FIXIT tool to see if this gets corrected, but if I turn on SYS PROTECTION manually will that wipe out whatever exists?

 

[betaupsilon]

OK,
The FIXIT tool did not change anything even after rebooting. I pulled the RIP CORD & manually enabled SYS PROTECTION. I still cannot see the RESTORE PTS, but the Disk Usage did not drop to ZERO. So those points must still exist.

Any suggestions?

 

[DavidE]

If you do a search for macrium image restore points you can find a lot of hits about this.
Here is one thread i found on the Macrium forum about this:
Windows RESTORE POINTS... are they imaged?