The eternal antitrust case: Microsoft versus the world

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"The worst thing that could come of this is I could fall down the steps of the FTC building, hit my head and kill myself," quipped Microsoft Chairman William H. Gates in 1992, as the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation of his company. But nobody joked on the third day of April, 2000, as Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson delivered his decision on what had morphed into the biggest software antitrust case in history: The United States of America vs. Microsoft.

"The court concludes that Microsoft maintained its monopoly power by anticompetitive means and attempted to monopolize the Web browser market," Jackson declared.

Ten years ago, on September 26, 2000, that trial took a crucial turn towards the settlement that would allow Microsoft to retain its vast control over the personal computer operating system market. Let's revisit the essentials of that case, and follow the aftermath—a legacy of endless negotiation and struggle with the entity that, to this day, is the OS on 91.32 percent of the world's PCs.

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To Judge Jackson, Microsoft's behavior was a clear and present violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. Early on, he warned, Microsoft came to see "middleware"—specifically the Netscape Navigator Web browser and Sun's Java technology—as a "Trojan horse," that could enable competing operating systems to prevail over the Intel-empowered PC market.

"When Netscape refused to abandon its efforts to develop Navigator into a substantial platform for applications development," Jackson continued, "Microsoft focused its efforts on minimizing the extent to which developers would avail themselves of interfaces exposed by that nascent platform." Microsoft did this primarily via by tethering its own Internet Explorer to every Windows PC system and simultaneously making it more difficult to install or pre-install Navigator.

This "increased the likelihood that preinstallation of Navigator onto Windows would cause user confusion and system degradation," leading to more support costs and lower sales for computer manufacturers, the court concluded. Thus these companies felt "compelled by Microsoft's actions to reduce drastically their distribution and promotion of Navigator."

Three weeks later, the Department of Justice and the Attorneys General of 17 states asked that same judge to cut Microsoft in half. Company one would make and sell Microsoft's operating system. Company two would produce and distribute applications. This is what Jackson ordered on June 7, 2000.

Here was a 1911 Standard Oil and 1984 AT&T break-up moment, noted The New York Times. "If the recommendation were enacted by the court and upheld on appeal, it would be one of the few times in the 110-year history of the Sherman Antitrust Act that the government had succeeded in breaking up a major multinational corporation."

But it never happened. Instead, on September 26, 2000, the Supreme Court refused to hear the case, which was then routed to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. Regular Ars readers are quite familiar with this venue, which recently rebuked the Federal Communications Commission's attempt to sanction Comcast for P2P throttling.

There, Jackson's conclusions met a similar fate. "I am not in the camp that says just because a district court lists something under 'findings of fact,' it's gospel," declared the court's Harry Edwards during oral arguments. "It has to be a fact, in fact."
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As long as antitrust laws focusing on breaking up companies that gain an honest advantage over other companies, rather than focusing on companies using illegal tactics to cheat, this case and several others will always be "eternal" antitrust cases. All of these cases operate on the assumption that Windows' huge market share is MS's "fault" ... as if all those people were coerced or bribed to use Windows, which is a ridiculous notion. Windows is #1 not because MS made it so, but because the consumers have made it so. Mac OS X is more desirable to some, but Macs are much more expensive than PCs (Apple's fault if anyone's, not Microsoft's), and therefore PC's have a genuine pricing advantage. Linux has a much better pricing advantage, but stands at a usability disadvantage because of its relative complexity. Windows is the only one of the three with both a pricing advantage (relative to Mac) AND a usability or first-time user advantage (relative to Linux). These options combine to make them the most popular operating system in a "best of both worlds" concept.

Likewise, Google's search engine is #1 simply because more people use Google than anything else. These kind of antitrust investigations are pointless, all they try to do is give the "big bad corporation" an artificial disadvantage in a vain attempt to cancel out the wishes of the consumers.
 

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Microsoft is far from being an angel as far as business practices go. They have gone out of their way to ensure they build an effective monopoly.

While consumers have purchased systems with Windows installed....it's not that they really had that much other choice. They could get a MAC...but many cannot afford the hardware and such and thus end up with a PC with Windows on it.

From a hardware standpoint, a vast majority of the third party hardware vendors are in the game big time with Microsoft and often times driver support is simply non-existent for other operating systems....which can bring on that "usability disadvantage" that you mention.

Here is some food for thought;
http://www.kegel.com/corporate_ethics.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft
 

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I would challenge you to give me a single corporation that is "angelic" in terms of business practices. You certainly won't find that among any of MS's competitors!

I could bring up several objections to that so-called "corporate ethics" page, but it would be a pointless debate in the long run. Suffice it to say that businesses exist to make profits. Of course Microsoft's not going to do something that isn't particularly advantageous for them. Neither is any other company.

I would be curious as to why you think consumers have no other choice besides Windows?? You yourself use Linux, and a lot of netbooks have toyed around with Linux too. And as for Mac, are you implying that PC hardware and software makers are somehow being unethical by undercutting Apple's prices?

The third-party hardware vendors are "in the game big time with Microsoft" because Windows has 91.32% market share (according to the OP article). Linux's market share is like 1%, if that ... why would most vendors even bother publishing drivers for such a small consumer base? That's not going to benefit them in the least, and drivers cost money to make.

On another note, Linux's usability disadvantage has nothing to do with available software (although there is certainly a shortcoming there, again because Linux is a small enough market to be negligible). From my experience with Linux, the system itself is more complex that Windows and Mac, often requiring Terminal work for tasks that have standardized GUI components on other platforms. Linux is great IMO, but it's not really for "the faint of heart" when it comes to casual computer users.
 

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While consumers have purchased systems with Windows installed....it's not that they really had that much other choice.
That is not MS's fault either really.

Only on the stand point of what might have been true, that they were making deals with all the OEM's to sell only MS products. But then again, This too would not be MS's fault alone, no one went after the OEM's about not selling OS/2 , at least not to my knowledge. Not that OS/2 was heavily advertised to the consumer market that I remember.

Competition alone, or lack there of, does not make one a monopoly.
If all I did was make a lighter, and that lighter was so good that it put all other lighter makers out, would I be guilty of Monopoly? No.

Or do we need a Handicapper General?

I am not saying that MS didn't do anything wrong, I am sure they might have in some instances. But, no one really had a truly competing product. Not really. OS/2 could have been, but that was IBM's fault for not marketing it better, or fighting for a market share. If they even wanted to.

So, while I think MS may have done somethings in the realm of bad ethics, that might also be seen as anti-competitive, I do not believe they were so bad as to warrant what was done. Or the stigma they have today.

Make a better OS and price it cheaper than MS and see what happens... So far, that has never been done.

Mac and Linux do not count. They are in their own categories, for obvious reasons to anyone with half a brain.
 

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I would be curious as to why you think consumers have no other choice besides Windows?? You yourself use Linux, and a lot of netbooks have toyed around with Linux too. And as for Mac, are you implying that PC hardware and software makers are somehow being unethical by undercutting Apple's prices?
I'm just saying that when people walk into a store and they look at a desktop or a laptop they often just see boxes with Windows. While they might look at a netbook, they are likely going to only get a Windows based netbook because it's all they really know. Heck, no doubt you have heard the person who asks if AMD processors can run their software...they don't know any better.

I was not implying anything about Apple hardware or pc makers being unethical. I was merely saying that a lot of people are very budget restricted and want to spend the least amount of money that they can for something...therefore it's very unlikely that they are going to wander into a store and wander out with a MAC because they are more expensive.

From my experience with Linux, the system itself is more complex that Windows and Mac, often requiring Terminal work for tasks that have standardized GUI components on other platforms. Linux is great IMO, but it's not really for "the faint of heart" when it comes to casual computer users.
My experience with Linux is predominately in the server room....where I use far more Linux servers than I do Windows servers because it saves me tremendous amounts of time, it's stable and (for me), quite easy to maintain.

You find the command line difficult and obtuse...but for me...I prefer configuring a box through text files and configuration files far more than using a GUI. It's simple as hell to document, and other admins can simply cut and paste the commands exactly as they are into the terminal and they get it right every single time. If you have your data files, a handful of config files...you can rebuild a linux server including the OS load in about 10 minutes and it's fully functional and back in business. I've found no GUI that provides the same level of quick recovery. (aside from laying down an image). In fact, I run nearly 100 linux servers and not a single one of them even has a GUI installed because it's 100% absolutely unrequired. And if you watch closely, with Windows Server administration...tons of stuff is now moving to the PowerShell...where Windows admins can also configure all kinds of things on their Windows servers without having to bother with clicking around in the GUI and clicking Next, Next, next, Finish.

I agree that Linux isn't for the faint of heart. It does take time to learn...I don't challenge that statement at all. In fact, Windows didn't come to me overnight either. It took years of working with it to get to where I am today. Same thing applies to Linux. it was a learning curve, it took some time...but I'll be honest I'm so thankful that I can use it and have options when it comes to deploying a new server on our network. And I've found that employers too like somebody who has options and can deploy more than 1 solution.

Take as an example and FTP server. Let's say that you work for a company and you want to put up an FTP server for your customers to use. If you went with a Windows based solution on Server 2008 R2...you would have to buy the license to run Windows Server 2008 R2 as well as the Internet Connection license (Windows Server 2008 R2: External Connector Licensing) to allow the public to access your server (since they don't have CALS). From this MS page (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/pricing.aspx) you will see that the license for Windows Server 2008 R2 is $1,029 and the External Connector license is $1,999. So, you are looking at a little over $3,000 to run this FTP server.

However, if you downloaded a copy of CentOS 5.5 Linux (free) and installed that, you could run 1 command (yum install vsftpd) and you have an ftp server installed. Then, you could issue a command to automatically start the server at boot time (chkconfig vsftpd on). Now, all that is left is to modify the configuration file (/etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf) with your preferences (banners, allow uploading, a hello message, max number of sessions, etc) and create your user accounts. Total cost on the Linux side, $0.

Let me just say, that employers love it when you can walk in the door and immediately save $3k. Not to mention, vsftpd and linux will likely run for weeks, months, years without having to be rebooted or restarted. In the last 5 years, most IT departments have began cutting costs and IT departments have far smaller budgets to work with...but the company still expects the tools necessary to keep business running. So I really think this knowledge and know how is more valuable than ever.

I'm not bothered in the least that Linux is not on the desktop. It's the server room where I make my living. And at the end of my day, I use Windows boxes at home and on my desktop at work. It's the matter of picking the right tool for the job. It doesn't have to be, or shouldn't have to be.....simply one or the other. Both work well together.
 

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While consumers have purchased systems with Windows installed....it's not that they really had that much other choice.
That is not MS's fault either really.

Only on the stand point of what might have been true, that they were making deals with all the OEM's to sell only MS products. But then again, This too would not be MS's fault alone, no one went after the OEM's about not selling OS/2 , at least not to my knowledge. Not that OS/2 was heavily advertised to the consumer market that I remember.

Competition alone, or lack there of, does not make one a monopoly.
If all I did was make a lighter, and that lighter was so good that it put all other lighter makers out, would I be guilty of Monopoly? No.

Or do we need a Handicapper General?

I am not saying that MS didn't do anything wrong, I am sure they might have in some instances. But, no one really had a truly competing product. Not really. OS/2 could have been, but that was IBM's fault for not marketing it better, or fighting for a market share. If they even wanted to.

So, while I think MS may have done somethings in the realm of bad ethics, that might also be seen as anti-competitive, I do not believe they were so bad as to warrant what was done. Or the stigma they have today.

Make a better OS and price it cheaper than MS and see what happens... So far, that has never been done.

Mac and Linux do not count. They are in their own categories, for obvious reasons to anyone with half a brain.

Couldn't have said it better!

I would be curious as to why you think consumers have no other choice besides Windows?? You yourself use Linux, and a lot of netbooks have toyed around with Linux too. And as for Mac, are you implying that PC hardware and software makers are somehow being unethical by undercutting Apple's prices?
I'm just saying that when people walk into a store and they look at a desktop or a laptop they often just see boxes with Windows. While they might look at a netbook, they are likely going to only get a Windows based netbook because it's all they really know. Heck, no doubt you have heard the person who asks if AMD processors can run their software...they don't know any better.

I was not implying anything about Apple hardware or pc makers being unethical. I was merely saying that a lot of people are very budget restricted and want to spend the least amount of money that they can for something...therefore it's very unlikely that they are going to wander into a store and wander out with a MAC because they are more expensive.

Which is very true, and just means that Windows has a genuine advantage over Mac due to both hardware and software makers' ability to price PC products lower. That's not even a little anti-competitive.

From my experience with Linux, the system itself is more complex that Windows and Mac, often requiring Terminal work for tasks that have standardized GUI components on other platforms. Linux is great IMO, but it's not really for "the faint of heart" when it comes to casual computer users.
My experience with Linux is predominately in the server room....etc (truncated to save space)

I agree with you on this one, as far as I've ever heard, Linux definitely has genuine advantages of its own in the server market. The fact that Linux is so popular in the server market should prove beyond all doubt that Windows is not anti-competitive.

You know, understand, and use the benefits of Linux to your professional advantage. But yet you use Windows personally. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say the consumers are the ones who made Windows #1. Sure, a lot of them don't think that choice through as thoroughly as you have, but that's how a lot of people treat everything from computers to politics to philosophy and on down the road. Of course, part of the equation is that at first you must aggressively pursue the consumers, marketing your product to them; Microsoft did that very well among the middle class (due to their low prices), Apple did that very well among the upper-middle and upper classes (due to their higher prices), IBM did not do that very well with OS/2, and Linux makers don't really do it at all (in the home user market).

Henry Ford did not invent the automobile. Henry Ford invented assembly-line production for the automobile, which allowed him to make, and thus sell, automobiles at a much lower price than anyone else. Because his products were affordable to the common people, he gained market dominance. To this day, Ford is the second-largest auto maker in the U.S. That didn't come as a result of monopolistic practices, but rather good business strategy.
 

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I agree with you on this one, as far as I've ever heard, Linux definitely has genuine advantages of its own in the server market. The fact that Linux is so popular in the server market should prove beyond all doubt that Windows is not anti-competitive.
Of course, to be fair, servers are pretty much sold by default without any operating system installed. If you buy a server from Dell or HP and you want Windows, you check a box and you pay extra. (In the case of Dell, Windows Server 2008 R2 standard edition with 5 CALS is $799). I would say the overwhelming majority of server purchases are without an operating system. The IT department than installs whatever they need on the server on it's arrival.

You know, understand, and use the benefits of Linux to your professional advantage. But yet you use Windows personally.
We also use Windows Server in the workplace. We run Active Directory, SQL servers, SharePoint, and Exchange.

Here is a fun one to think about. When a company decides to purchase an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, they are asked to provide a total count of all workstation computers in their entire organization. Notice i said "all" workstation computers...not just the ones intended to run Windows. So, if you would like to enter into an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft to get pricing breaks...and you have say 300 Windows PC's, 25 macs running Photoshop and 35 Linux workstations...you actually have to pay for a Windows license for all of them...(mac's and Linux included). Microsoft will charge you for a Windows desktop license as well as an office license for the macs and the linux machines. Now, obviously nobody comes in and takes an actual count of your machines, so common sense would say that you omit these 60 machines from your count....but that's not what the rules of the program state.
 

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Here is a fun one to think about. When a company decides to purchase an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft, they are asked to provide a total count of all workstation computers in their entire organization. Notice i said "all" workstation computers...not just the ones intended to run Windows. So, if you would like to enter into an Enterprise Agreement with Microsoft to get pricing breaks...and you have say 300 Windows PC's, 25 macs running Photoshop and 35 Linux workstations...you actually have to pay for a Windows license for all of them...(mac's and Linux included). Microsoft will charge you for a Windows desktop license as well as an office license for the macs and the linux machines. Now, obviously nobody comes in and takes an actual count of your machines, so common sense would say that you omit these 60 machines from your count....but that's not what the rules of the program state.

It is probably assumed that only a company that wants to run entirely on Windows would purchase such an agreement. In fact, you are probably going against the implied terms of that agreement by continuing to use other OSes on the other computers. Bulk discount pricing like that often comes with fine print to that effect.
 

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It is probably assumed that only a company that wants to run entirely on Windows would purchase such an agreement. In fact, you are probably going against the implied terms of that agreement by continuing to use other OSes on the other computers. Bulk discount pricing like that often comes with fine print to that effect.

Yes, Microsoft does assume that you want to run their OS on every computer you own. I mean in their eyes, "what else could you run"?

From an organization standpoint, the minimum # of workstations that you can get for an enterprise agreement is 250. However, if you have more than 250 computers in your organization...it's highly likely that you would be looking at an enterprise agreement just because your licensing costs are going to be far less if you want to try to stay semi-current on the latest releases. And I think that many businesses with more than 250 computers would have additional machines that aren't necessarily Windows. But I think it kind of stinks that Microsoft says, in order to get our discounted licensing for your other 2000+ machines...you also have to pay for licenses on 500 computer that will never run our products.
 

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I'm a simple person so I will keep it simple. If another company wants to create a new operating system to compete with Windows then do it. If they build it better, advertise it and price it correctly many will buy it. Microsoft has a huge market just because we keep buying them. There are choices out there.No one stuck a gun to my head and made me to buy Windows 7, I chose to and I'm happy I did.
 

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It is probably assumed that only a company that wants to run entirely on Windows would purchase such an agreement. In fact, you are probably going against the implied terms of that agreement by continuing to use other OSes on the other computers. Bulk discount pricing like that often comes with fine print to that effect.

Yes, Microsoft does assume that you want to run their OS on every computer you own. I mean in their eyes, "what else could you run"?

From an organization standpoint, the minimum # of workstations that you can get for an enterprise agreement is 250. However, if you have more than 250 computers in your organization...it's highly likely that you would be looking at an enterprise agreement just because your licensing costs are going to be far less if you want to try to stay semi-current on the latest releases. And I think that many businesses with more than 250 computers would have additional machines that aren't necessarily Windows. But I think it kind of stinks that Microsoft says, in order to get our discounted licensing for your other 2000+ machines...you also have to pay for licenses on 500 computer that will never run our products.

I don't think Microsoft's expectation is unreasonable ... they most likely assume that if you preferred another OS, you would pursue enterprise deployment with that instead of Windows.

Although personally, I think you are actually just supposed to provide the number of machines you need Windows for ... the language only sounds the way it does because they are assuming you need/want total company-wide deployment, and thus the two numbers are equal.

I'm a simple person so I will keep it simple. If another company wants to create a new operating system to compete with Windows then do it. If they build it better, advertise it and price it correctly many will buy it. Microsoft has a huge market just because we keep buying them. There are choices out there.No one stuck a gun to my head and made me to buy Windows 7, I chose to and I'm happy I did.

Exactly.
 

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I'm a simple person so I will keep it simple. If another company wants to create a new operating system to compete with Windows then do it. If they build it better, advertise it and price it correctly many will buy it. Microsoft has a huge market just because we keep buying them. There are choices out there.No one stuck a gun to my head and made me to buy Windows 7, I chose to and I'm happy I did.
Yes, this is a simple viewpoint and it makes sense when you don't think it through.

Take a guess at how hard it would be as an independent developer, making a new operating system to get the third party manufacturers to release specs or give you any assistance at all with getting their drivers into your new operating system.

Then imagine, if you took your independent operating system to Dell, HP, IBM, Gateway, Acer, Asus, Hitachi, Toshiba and asked them to start selling machines that included your independent OS rather than Windows. Yeah guess what....these vendors get a reduced price on Windows, from Microsoft, but they are just about required by Microsoft to include Windows and nothing but Windows on their machines in order to retain their business. Sadly, these vendors cannot afford to get these contracts cut...nor can they survive in the marketplace without offering Windows...so they are stuck.

Now, also imagine the uphill battle you would have to design a new OS that would work well within a network of Microsoft boxes. If you wanted to participate, you might pay massively out the nose for the insight into the SDK's and such to even have your machine participate on an SMB network. Of course, unless you totally ate that cost, you would have to pass it onto your customers. It's getting very hard now to keep a reasonable price. And if you attempted to reverse engineer the technology...you would get your pants sued off of you by Microsoft claiming copyright and intellectual property infringements which would tie you up endlessly in courts...because you likely don't have the venture capital to battle Microsoft in the court systems.

I think as you can see...this market is extremely difficult to get into. Some would say impossible.

Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 7 is solid and I like it a lot. Aside from Apple though, there is no other real competition on the desktop. I think for the average joe though, if you cannot afford a macintosh computer and you are buying a retail machine...it's either Windows or skip having a computer.


Although personally, I think you are actually just supposed to provide the number of machines you need Windows for ... the language only sounds the way it does because they are assuming you need/want total company-wide deployment, and thus the two numbers are equal.
It's not that they assume you want company-wide deployment....they require it (or at least make you pay the same as requiring it). Call them and ask them...I think you will be surprised to hear them explain it's all computers just as I was surprised that my lab machines running Linux and VMWare ESXi needed to be included. But of course, according to them, I could switch out to HyperV instead of VMWare ESXi and make use of my Windows license. Thanks, but no thanks.....it's not all 1 way or the other for me. Best tool for the job. And honestly, it's cheaper in the long run to pay for the licenses you never use than it is to buy outside of the enterprise agreement. It's just the principal of the matter.
 

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Don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure if Microsoft had their way there would be no other OS options, and hardware that could run when windows is installed would be disabled if Windows were removed. Apple does it with OSuX, and gets away with it, only because they have a small market share.

Very few computer manufacturers offer the choice of no operating system on some of their products (Lenovo is one, just ordered a dual Xeon Thinkstation D20 with no operating system).. I like Windows, but Microsoft as a company is just as unethical as any multinational corporation has to be to attain a near monopoly on any market.
 
And if a company doesn't like the agreement, then don't buy it.

You can not fault MS for selling such an agreement. It is there's to sell, and it is up to you weather to buy it or not. You can commision (or hire) techs to custom build systems for you with no OS, and possibly (with a good buying negotiator) get then really cheap.

Want to talk about leasing terms on pretty much any IT company? Same thing. Some companies charge buy the 5's. Even if you only have 3, if they want to sell their service, they give incentives to make it worth it.
There is nothing wrong with that.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BUY A PC WITH WINDOWS, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO SHOP AND BUILD IT YOURSELF, OR COMMISSION IT THROUGH A LOCAL SHOP/RESELLER.
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY HP, DELL, SONY, TOSHIBA, BLA, BLA, BLA.

There are alternatives. If people are willing to learn and look. But they aren't.
There are no other OS companies, cause there is no one willing to do it.
Not because the can't, but because they won't.


How in the hell is that any existing companies fault?
If it is MS's fault, then it is very much Apples Fault and Linux Fault. Since they are in the market.
Otherwise, it's a bunch of cry baby hogwash whiny pants BS.

WHHHAAAA,, mommy, they are too big, I don't like it, we need to knock them down using the gov't.
WHAAAAAA,, Nanny State, Nanny State, I like that company, they are too big to fail, we need to keep them going using the gov't and tax payer dollars.

It is absolutely ludicrous.

You will reap what you sow.
 

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If Company A makes whatchamacallits and people buy them because there is a demand for whatchamacallits, that's sound business practice. If Company B makes thingamajigs to compete with whatchamacallits, but over-prices them, doesn't market them as well, and fewer people buy them ... that is NOT the fault of the whatchamacallits company.

Or to put it in a different perspective, for every six pack of Coca-Cola sold, should they be forced to include a can of Pepsi because Pepsi doesn't sell as much of their own product?
 

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Still keeping it simple. Yes there is a lot of work and money to build, market, sell and maintain, (updates) a new operating system. It cost Microsoft lots of money to do just that. If someone went to Dell with a better and cheaper operating system with the ability to take care of there system Dell, IMHO would jump on it. One can't jump into the operating system building business on a shoe string. Find enough investors with enough money and go for it.
 

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Sorry this is so long, but had to fit in a lot of replies...

I'm a simple person so I will keep it simple. If another company wants to create a new operating system to compete with Windows then do it. If they build it better, advertise it and price it correctly many will buy it. Microsoft has a huge market just because we keep buying them. There are choices out there.No one stuck a gun to my head and made me to buy Windows 7, I chose to and I'm happy I did.
Yes, this is a simple viewpoint and it makes sense when you don't think it through.

Take a guess at how hard it would be as an independent developer, making a new operating system to get the third party manufacturers to release specs or give you any assistance at all with getting their drivers into your new operating system.

Then imagine, if you took your independent operating system to Dell, HP, IBM, Gateway, Acer, Asus, Hitachi, Toshiba and asked them to start selling machines that included your independent OS rather than Windows. Yeah guess what....these vendors get a reduced price on Windows, from Microsoft, but they are just about required by Microsoft to include Windows and nothing but Windows on their machines in order to retain their business. Sadly, these vendors cannot afford to get these contracts cut...nor can they survive in the marketplace without offering Windows...so they are stuck.

Now, also imagine the uphill battle you would have to design a new OS that would work well within a network of Microsoft boxes. If you wanted to participate, you might pay massively out the nose for the insight into the SDK's and such to even have your machine participate on an SMB network. Of course, unless you totally ate that cost, you would have to pass it onto your customers. It's getting very hard now to keep a reasonable price. And if you attempted to reverse engineer the technology...you would get your pants sued off of you by Microsoft claiming copyright and intellectual property infringements which would tie you up endlessly in courts...because you likely don't have the venture capital to battle Microsoft in the court systems.

I think as you can see...this market is extremely difficult to get into. Some would say impossible.

Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 7 is solid and I like it a lot. Aside from Apple though, there is no other real competition on the desktop. I think for the average joe though, if you cannot afford a macintosh computer and you are buying a retail machine...it's either Windows or skip having a computer.

The scenario you just described is the same for just about every market on the planet, from frozen foods to televisions. Entrance into a market already controlled by even a few different major companies is not easy, especially if you can't convince retailers that anyone will prefer your product to what is already available.

Please try to prove the statement I've highlighted in bold. How do you figure that these companies are "required" to use only Windows? Dell, at least at one point, was selling Ubuntu on netbooks. The major OEMs use Windows because that's all there is significant demand for (Apple wouldn't let them use Mac OS anyway). Every OEM could offer Linux as an option on all their computers tomorrow, and the market share would barely shift. They don't offer it because there's very little demand for it.

Although personally, I think you are actually just supposed to provide the number of machines you need Windows for ... the language only sounds the way it does because they are assuming you need/want total company-wide deployment, and thus the two numbers are equal.
It's not that they assume you want company-wide deployment....they require it (or at least make you pay the same as requiring it). Call them and ask them...I think you will be surprised to hear them explain it's all computers just as I was surprised that my lab machines running Linux and VMWare ESXi needed to be included. But of course, according to them, I could switch out to HyperV instead of VMWare ESXi and make use of my Windows license. Thanks, but no thanks.....it's not all 1 way or the other for me. Best tool for the job. And honestly, it's cheaper in the long run to pay for the licenses you never use than it is to buy outside of the enterprise agreement. It's just the principal of the matter.

As Tepid said, then companies that don't want to agree to that, they shouldn't go in for it. So the agreement is basically asking you for full corporate loyalty, or the monetary equivalent of it, for them to give you a discount. They could just as easily offer no discount at all under any circumstances.

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty sure if Microsoft had their way there would be no other OS options, and hardware that could run when windows is installed would be disabled if Windows were removed. Apple does it with OSuX, and gets away with it, only because they have a small market share.

Very few computer manufacturers offer the choice of no operating system on some of their products (Lenovo is one, just ordered a dual Xeon Thinkstation D20 with no operating system).. I like Windows, but Microsoft as a company is just as unethical as any multinational corporation has to be to attain a near monopoly on any market.

So you're assuming that it's physically impossible for a product to be "the international best" without cheating? That logic is very flawed. The iPod isn't the best example out there, but it barely faces any serious competition, is almost universally considered the best PMP, and it did not take anti-competitive behavior to get it there. (Now iTunes, that's another story.)

And if a company doesn't like the agreement, then don't buy it.

You can not fault MS for selling such an agreement. It is there's to sell, and it is up to you weather to buy it or not. You can commision (or hire) techs to custom build systems for you with no OS, and possibly (with a good buying negotiator) get then really cheap.

Want to talk about leasing terms on pretty much any IT company? Same thing. Some companies charge buy the 5's. Even if you only have 3, if they want to sell their service, they give incentives to make it worth it.
There is nothing wrong with that.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BUY A PC WITH WINDOWS, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO SHOP AND BUILD IT YOURSELF, OR COMMISSION IT THROUGH A LOCAL SHOP/RESELLER.
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY HP, DELL, SONY, TOSHIBA, BLA, BLA, BLA.

There are alternatives. If people are willing to learn and look. But they aren't.
There are no other OS companies, cause there is no one willing to do it.
Not because the can't, but because they won't.


How in the hell is that any existing companies fault?
If it is MS's fault, then it is very much Apples Fault and Linux Fault. Since they are in the market.
Otherwise, it's a bunch of cry baby hogwash whiny pants BS.

WHHHAAAA,, mommy, they are too big, I don't like it, we need to knock them down using the gov't.
WHAAAAAA,, Nanny State, Nanny State, I like that company, they are too big to fail, we need to keep them going using the gov't and tax payer dollars.

It is absolutely ludicrous.

You will reap what you sow.

If Company A makes whatchamacallits and people buy them because there is a demand for whatchamacallits, that's sound business practice. If Company B makes thingamajigs to compete with whatchamacallits, but over-prices them, doesn't market them as well, and fewer people buy them ... that is NOT the fault of the whatchamacallits company.

Or to put it in a different perspective, for every six pack of Coca-Cola sold, should they be forced to include a can of Pepsi because Pepsi doesn't sell as much of their own product?

+2 to both of you.

+1 to Layback Bear's last statement as well.
 

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Hey pparks1, check the admin and how he solves his problems at work (using few OS's). Plus, average joe included.
Maybe its little out of topic, but it will make you laugh:)
HAS FEW SENTENCES WITH OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE!
 

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