Unable to connect to one PC, but can the other way

[chev65]

Ok that part done with. The tunnel adaptors were a result of the ICS making connections attempts which creates a big mess. Usually with that many tunnel adaptors you can't even get online.

I really don't mess with ICS "for obvious reasons" so I'm not completely sure if you can use the same subnet as your router is using but that's the only way sharing will work properly. I'm still confused as to why those workgroup machines in a different subnet were able to even show up under Network.

So now just go back into the IPv4 properties of PC-1, like when you set up the ICS, only this time use the same gateway as your router is using which is 192.168.0.1., Next you have to type in an IP in that same subnet, ideally you would use an IP that is outside the range of DHCP on your router but the ranges are different for each router so I'll just use one what you aren't using. So for now just use the IP> 192.168.0.10.

The ICS machine borrowing the connection needs it's static IP's changed as well because it's all messed up.

Both of these machines require the same gateway as the other machines in order to be in the same subnet, that gateway IP is 192.168.0.1, then give the second machine it's own IP of 192.168.0.11, notice I'm using .10 and .11,

I'm not completely sure how ICS will work in this case because it's really meant to create it's own little subnet so other machines can connect to that subnet. It's not meant to be used in the middle of a network with a common gateway.

I just noticed that you actually used the wrong gateway on PC-1, you used the same IP for the gateway as you did for PC-2. You really can't just guess at this man, it has to be right. You used the gateway of 192.168.2.1 as the IP on the second machine. Talk about confusing.

Now you start to see why I have this opinion of ICS...it creates nothing but problems.

 

[TheCyberMan]

For filesharing and Homegroup to work all the machines have to be in the same subnet either in 192.168.0.1 subnet or 192.168.1.1 subnet you can't mix subnets.

Lets see an ipconfig /all from:
PC1 Daniel GPC
PC2 Daniel PC
PC3 Mandy PC

If I am correct.

 

[DanielPlumb]

Ok that part done with. The tunnel adaptors were a result of the ICS making connections attempts which creates a big mess. Usually with that many tunnel adaptors you can't even get online.

I really don't mess with ICS "for obvious reasons" so I'm not completely sure if you can use the same subnet as your router is using but that's the only way sharing will work properly. I'm still confused as to why those workgroup machines in a different subnet were able to even show up under Network.

So now just go back into the IPv4 properties of PC-1, like when you set up the ICS, only this time use the same gateway as your router is using which is 192.168.0.1., Next you have to type in an IP in that same subnet, ideally you would use an IP that is outside the range of DHCP on your router but the ranges are different for each router so I'll just use one what you aren't using. So for now just use the IP> 192.168.0.10.

The ICS machine borrowing the connection needs it's static IP's changed as well because it's all messed up.

Both of these machines require the same gateway as the other machines in order to be in the same subnet, that gateway IP is 192.168.0.1, then give the second machine it's own IP of 192.168.0.11, notice I'm using .10 and .11,

I'm not completely sure how ICS will work in this case because it's really meant to create it's own little subnet so other machines can connect to that subnet. It's not meant to be used in the middle of a network with a common gateway.

I just noticed that you actually used the wrong gateway on PC-1, you used the same IP for the gateway as you did for PC-2. You really can't just guess at this man, it has to be right. You used the gateway of 192.168.2.1 as the IP on the second machine. Talk about confusing.

Now you start to see why I have this opinion of ICS...it creates nothing but problems.

Right, I did all of the above and now I do not get internet on PC-2 nor do I still have any access to PC-1. The only way I got internet on PC-2 is by setting the default gateway to 192.168.0.10 (the IP address of PC-1, where the connection is being "borrowed" from). Here is an updated copy of the ipconfig /all from PC-1 (Daniel-GPC) and PC-2 (Daniel-PC).

PC-1: Private Paste - Pastie
PC-2: Private Paste - Pastie

For filesharing and Homegroup to work all the machines have to be in the same subnet either in 192.168.0.1 subnet or 192.168.1.1 subnet you can't mix subnets.

Lets see an ipconfig /all from:
PC1 Daniel GPC
PC2 Daniel PC
PC3 Mandy PC

If I am correct.

By "mixing subnets" do you mean IP address'/default gateways? Because I have always used the "subnet" box that Windows has generated me of 255.255.255.0.

Thanks both of you for your help.

 

[TheCyberMan]

By mixing subnets I mean 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1.


255.255.255.0 is a mask for 192 C class subnets.

 

[DanielPlumb]

Oh, I see okay.

Well I still haven't achieved anything so far which is a bit of a shame. Any further help is greatly appreciated.

@chev64, my router DHCP goes up to 192.168.0.254. Should I lower this figure in the router configuration, or choose an IP that is higher than this?

Ok, I've decided to start from fresh and disregard everything I did last night by myself. I followed all of your instructions once again in post #21 and set them to exactly as you told me. I disabled ICS while I was at it, as I want to focus mainly on getting the files working. But, you guessed it, still nothing! I'll give you screenshots of absolutely everything from both PC's in the current situation.

PC-1:

ipconfig /all: http://pastie.org/private/tummpry8uaxtsutyfl0a

PC-2:

ipconfig /all: http://pastie.org/private/8fn7q4hzrfdjwndlssf7g

Thank you.

 

[Hearsepilot]

Do you actually have any folders set to be shared on the suspect machine?

 

[DanielPlumb]

Yes. I can access those from the laptop aswell.

 

[TheCyberMan]

Folow this for ICS DanielPlumb

Using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) - Microsoft Windows Help

 

[chev65]

See the problem is as I said to begin with, ICS is meant to create it's own little network that is separate from the actual network, it's not made to be placed into the middle of a network, it's peer to peer not peer to gateway.

If those static settings don't work then you are SOL, I don't believe it's possible to set up ICS using the same gateway that the host machine is using but that is the only way it's going to work and be in the same subnet.

I don't see the static settings for the wireless connection in the picture? But that would be the only way it will work. You can use any IP that isn't in use. Or lower the DHCP range to end at 225, then use IP's ending between .226 and .254.

The best way to set this up is to run an Ethernet cable to the machine like everyone else who wants a coherent network.

 

[DanielPlumb]

Folow this for ICS DanielPlumb

Using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) - Microsoft Windows Help

I'll have a look, thank you. I may be coming off of ICS though, see below.

See the problem is as I said to begin with, ICS is meant to create it's own little network that is separate from the actual network, it's not made to be placed into the middle of a network, it's peer to peer not peer to gateway.

If those static settings don't work then you are SOL, I don't believe it's possible to set up ICS using the same gateway that the host machine is using but that is the only way it's going to work and be in the same subnet.

I don't see the static settings for the wireless connection in the picture? But that would be the only way it will work. You can use any IP that isn't in use. Or lower the DHCP range to end at 225, then use IP's ending between .226 and .254.

The best way to set this up is to run an Ethernet cable to the machine like everyone else who wants a coherent network.

Firstly, the settings that you gave me to enter on PC-1 in post #21, were they supposed to be entered in the Wireless IPv4 properties, or the Wired IPv4 properties? If this is correct, then I only did it in the wired properties, so my problem may lay here. If they were for the wireless, I'll try that and see what that gives me.

If there is still nothing, I'll have a few questions regarding networking of each machine around the house.

Thanks a lot.

 

[TheCyberMan]

That is fine you will be better off ICS. Just ask away when you finish off or when you decide.

 

[DanielPlumb]

Alright, well I've had a fiddle with the settings and tried putting the aforementioned addresses in the wireless properties, but again ICS has overridden a load of balls and still doesn't work (network or ICS at that) so I'm saying bye bye to that.

Now what I want to consider, is setting up a network around the house. What would be my best way bet here, given the fact that the router is downstairs? I know it's a bit difficult for you to judge seeing as you don't know the layout of my house, though I think I may be able to run a cable out through the front of the house, up the front and back in in the loft. I have an airing cupboard in my room with a small hole for TV satellite cables to run in through the loft and down into my room, so I could route it down in to their and potentially set up a switch in the cupboard? I've also been considering setting up a NAS and CCTV (in which the recorder box would connect to the internet through an ethernet cable) so would setting up a switch give me that benefit too? Or is that something completely different? Would the position of a switch be OK in the cupboard rather than next to the router downstairs?

Thanks a lot for your help guys.

 

[chev65]

Alright, well I've had a fiddle with the settings and tried putting the aforementioned addresses in the wireless properties, but again ICS has overridden a load of balls and still doesn't work (network or ICS at that) so I'm saying bye bye to that.

Now what I want to consider, is setting up a network around the house. What would be my best way bet here, given the fact that the router is downstairs? I know it's a bit difficult for you to judge seeing as you don't know the layout of my house, though I think I may be able to run a cable out through the front of the house, up the front and back in in the loft. I have an airing cupboard in my room with a small hole for TV satellite cables to run in through the loft and down into my room, so I could route it down in to their and potentially set up a switch in the cupboard? I've also been considering setting up a NAS and CCTV (in which the recorder box would connect to the internet through an ethernet cable) so would setting up a switch give me that benefit too? Or is that something completely different? Would the position of a switch be OK in the cupboard rather than next to the router downstairs?

Thanks a lot for your help guys.

You can put a switch or access point anywhere in the house that an Ethernet cable will reach.

A good access point location would give you wireless without having to run the cable to the machine.

If the machines doesn't have a wireless NIC then just add a USB NIC which only cost ten bucks.

 

[chev65]

Folow this for ICS DanielPlumb

Using ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) - Microsoft Windows Help

I'll have a look, thank you. I may be coming off of ICS though, see below.

See the problem is as I said to begin with, ICS is meant to create it's own little network that is separate from the actual network, it's not made to be placed into the middle of a network, it's peer to peer not peer to gateway.

If those static settings don't work then you are SOL, I don't believe it's possible to set up ICS using the same gateway that the host machine is using but that is the only way it's going to work and be in the same subnet.

I don't see the static settings for the wireless connection in the picture? But that would be the only way it will work. You can use any IP that isn't in use. Or lower the DHCP range to end at 225, then use IP's ending between .226 and .254.

The best way to set this up is to run an Ethernet cable to the machine like everyone else who wants a coherent network.

Firstly, the settings that you gave me to enter on PC-1 in post #21, were they supposed to be entered in the Wireless IPv4 properties, or the Wired IPv4 properties? If this is correct, then I only did it in the wired properties, so my problem may lay here. If they were for the wireless, I'll try that and see what that gives me.

If there is still nothing, I'll have a few questions regarding networking of each machine around the house.

Thanks a lot.

I made this clear last time. Both connections require a static setting. Yet another very good reason to not use ICS.

You would use the same procedure as the youtube ICS set up, but instead use your own gateway IP rather than one they tell you to use. Your routers Gateway IP is 192.168.0.1 not 192.168.1.1, then use an IP in that subnet, one that you aren't already using. But I did try to explain this already.

Yes you need to do this same as before so you need to add the static IP's to the IPv4 properties on both machines. Still this may not work because of the dual gateway issue.

I should point out that there are many other ways to set up ICS that will work better than the youtube procedure but still you need to use a method that allows you to use the same gateway IP as your router is using which probably isn't possible with ICS.

You can use a virtual router for this.
http://virtualrouter.codeplex.com/

And with the command prompt.
http://winsupersite.com/article/faq...ng-to-share-an-internet-connection-wirelessly

You can see that none of these methods does anything to place the A/P into the local subnet so all machines can share files.

It only creates a separate network so only those machines connected to the same A/P can share files or share a connection. So that's why the static IP's are needed.

 

[TheCyberMan]

1. Another router in Lan port to Lan Port configurationwith the roiuter downstairs will keep everything in same subnet easier for file sharing using an ethernet cable.
2. Use a USB wireless adapter as chev65 has said if you don't have signal problems upstairs if would be the cheapest option if no dropout wirelessly.
3. Use HomePlugs min 2 one to plug into socket, one of the Lan ports on router downstairs, one for upstairs socket plug either into computer or router Lan port keeping them in same subnet using ethernet cables.
4. Use a Wireless(Range extender) repeater and configure it to connect with the router downstairs to boost the signal from the router downstairs keeping it in the same subnet.

Wirelessly isn't as reliable as wired network.

I would hold back on NAS and CCTV at the moment until you have network sorted.

 

[DanielPlumb]

I see. I would preferably like to stick to wired connections, because that way I can keep everything very fast, file transfer from one computer to another network device etc.

So, I was planning to have this if I were to do a wired connection:
- Run an ethernet cable out the back of the router downstairs, out through the front of the house, follow it up the front of the house and back in at the loft.
- Once in the loft, tie the ethernet cable to the beams and joyces running throughout it.
- Drop the wire into the hole in my cupboard in my room.
- Connect it to (any?) port on a switch.
- My computers are against this cupboard, with a hole in the bottom right of the wall, so would you say put the ethernet cables from the switch through the wall and straight into the back of the computer, or connecting them through a CAT5 face plate?

A lot of people are saying the wired option is very costly - but I don't see how. My uncle will most likely have the drills to do it (he is very (very)) techy in D.I.Y, so all I would need to buy really is the switch (not really considerable as I would be buying this anyway if I were doing this wireless), long Ethernet cables and potentially the wall plates?

Thanks guys
Daniel

 

[chev65]

I see. I would preferably like to stick to wired connections, because that way I can keep everything very fast, file transfer from one computer to another network device etc.

So, I was planning to have this if I were to do a wired connection:
- Run an ethernet cable out the back of the router downstairs, out through the front of the house, follow it up the front of the house and back in at the loft.
- Once in the loft, tie the ethernet cable to the beams and joyces running throughout it.
- Drop the wire into the hole in my cupboard in my room.
- Connect it to (any?) port on a switch.
- My computers are against this cupboard, with a hole in the bottom right of the wall, so would you say put the ethernet cables from the switch through the wall and straight into the back of the computer, or connecting them through a CAT5 face plate?

A lot of people are saying the wired option is very costly - but I don't see how. My uncle will most likely have the drills to do it (he is very (very)) techy in D.I.Y, so all I would need to buy really is the switch (not really considerable as I would be buying this anyway if I were doing this wireless), long Ethernet cables and potentially the wall plates?

Thanks guys
Daniel

Wireless not fast,?...I beg to differ, look at the picture, my wireless is actually faster than my wired Gb connections.

Switches are cheap and so is Ethernet cable, there is usually an easy way to run the cable if you look for it. Yep any port on the switch will do. This is easier than you think and much easier than dealing with ICS, otherwise known as the blight of networking.

You can be pretty creative when running the cables, you can go through the attic and back down the wall where the Ethernet is required, come out the wall and plug it straight into a machine or ad another switch and have multiple connections at that point. A million easy ways to do this.

 

[DanielPlumb]

Oh my gosh, that speed is incredible! How?! That's amazing. I'll reply with some more questions later, as I'm a tad busy at the moment. Thanks!

 

[jillreeves64]

Ok, so initially before I signed up to this forum, I had searched on Google regarding failed to be able to connect to Internet with one contract computer even though I was successfully connected to the wireless, and other devices being able to connect to Internet. The search resulted in a link, which I was made to believe, would have the solution. In trying to download a zip file that contained a program that had corrected to problem for so many, i was required to sign up for, what I thought, was that particular site in order to get the download successfully! No that I'm signed up, cannot locate that specific topic! Furthermore, it says that this page is not recognized or authorized by Windows, I hope I do not acquire any malicious programs or viruses from this unsecured site!!! How deceptive!!!! Shame on you!!!