upgrading W7 to W10, help please

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I've decided to download/install W10 on my W7 pc. Everything i have read so far suggests it will keep all personal data, (most is on a storage drive anyways) all windows settings, and all apps. And yes, i realize some apps may not work and some windows settings may not be the same in 10. But i just want to know how safe and easy this is for a not very tech savy person like me. I also want to know if i can revert back to my previous W7 config w/o losing anything if it fails for some reason in the middle of the upgrade. And any tips u may have that could save me from pulling my hair out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

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Every computer has different hardware and software and is set up and maintained differently, so there are too many variables where something can go wrong (more so with laptops/notebooks) during the upgrade process from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

I personally prefer to do a clean install of Windows 10 and get a fresh start, but I have the knowledge and ability to do it and have done it several times, so I know which steps to take and which pitfalls to avoid.

If you've been using Windows 7 for a long time and have never used Windows 10, there are a lot of changes and a lot of things to learn.
 

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I've decided to download/install W10 on my W7 pc. Everything i have read so far suggests it will keep all personal data, (most is on a storage drive anyways) all windows settings, and all apps. And yes, i realize some apps may not work and some windows settings may not be the same in 10. But i just want to know how safe and easy this is for a not very tech savy person like me. I also want to know if i can revert back to my previous W7 config w/o losing anything if it fails for some reason in the middle of the upgrade. And any tips u may have that could save me from pulling my hair out would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Before attempting any upgrade, it is a sensible precaution to make a system image of the PC as it is now to an external HDD and make the associated recovery boot media (usb/CD). Then you can restore the system image if all goes badly wrong.

Many tools are available, including Macrium Reflect Free, Aomei Backupper and others. There's even a 'create a system image' option in Windows' own 'Backup & Restore' (though this is perhaps one of the less reliable and more temperamental methods).

As for the upgrade to W10, yes, in a successful upgrade all your files, user accounts, most settings and all installed software that's compatible will be retained. The upgrade will tell you before proceeding what software (if any) needs to be uninstalled. Most often these would be an AV, Microsoft Security Essentials for example. Older versions of MS Office are compatible though, any version from Office 2000 up should be retained. In fact most software should be compatible, I personally am still running a 20 year old copy of PaintShop Pro 7.04 that was installed long before one of my W7 machines got the W10 upgrade back in 2015.

If the upgrade fails, then it should roll back gracefully and leave your W7 intact. If it fails badly though, then that's where having made a system image comes in handy.

Even if you wish to do a clean install afterwards, I would recommend first upgrading your W7 to W10. That will ensure that your PC gets a Digital License for Windows 10 recorded on Microsoft's activation servers. With a digital license you can clean install the same edition of W10 (Home or Pro) without needing to provide a key.

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Thanks. I'd like to do a image but the problem is $. I can't afford and don't have a free disc other then one thats not big enough. (111GB) My C drive is a 250BG drive thats got 90GB free. Unless of course an image is only showing what must be recreated and is much smaller then the actual space the drive it's imaging is taking up ? Like i said, not tech savy.
 

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You can get a 1TB USB drive on Amazon for less than US$50. If you plan to do the upgrade W7 to W10 this, and Macrium free, will be the best $50 you ever spent. If the upgrade goes south, it will cost you much more than that in time and effort, and maybe tech support costs, to get back to where you were. Plus as a benefit you can use the drive to make backups of your system on a regular basis!


That is my recommendation. Wait until you can get a backup drive (purchase new or maybe used, or borrow).
 

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Thanks. I'd like to do a image but the problem is $. I can't afford and don't have a free disc other then one thats not big enough. (111GB) My C drive is a 250BG drive thats got 90GB free....
My experience is with using the built-in Microsoft system imaging and Macrium Reflect Free. Both will only make an image of the parts of the drive that are in use.

The MS imaging tends to make an image about the same size as the used space on the source drive. Macrium however uses compression and will make an image about 60-70% of the total used space on the drive being imaged at medium compression, or smaller if you select its High compression option.

A real life example from an image I made yesterday, this 77.2GB Macrium image is of a drive with more than 162GB used space. That's about the same as your used space, so your available 111GB should be just enough.
 

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Thanks, but i think i may be over my head. I downloaded the macrium app but when i tried to do it there were things i didn't understand and the help was over my head so i didn't feel safe doing it. For one, it seemed like it was saying it would delete my C drive after the image was made so i canceled it. Just too many things i didn't understand so i'll pass rather than risk it. thanks anyways.
 

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Thanks, but i think i may be over my head. I downloaded the macrium app but when i tried to do it there were things i didn't understand and the help was over my head so i didn't feel safe doing it. For one, it seemed like it was saying it would delete my C drive after the image was made so i canceled it. Just too many things i didn't understand so i'll pass rather than risk it. thanks anyways.

That is why I recommend AOMEI Backupper free. Macrium for less computer savvy individuals is more difficult to figure out/navigate.

BTW: although I've never used it, when you upgrade, or do a Repair Install/In Place Upgrade, a backup is created, Windows.old

This should help you
How To Create Full System Images with AOMEI Backupper
and low cost external drives
The Best Cheap External Hard Drive Deals for July 2020 | Digital Trends

If you do decide to try to upgrade Win7 to Win10 you want to run the built in disk cleanup
I don't run normal disk cleanup, I run disk cleanup very low disk
Here's my batch script zipped/compressed from my OneDrive.
disk cleanup very low disk.zip


 

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That looks great, but the reason i wanted to use Bree's suggestion is the possibility it would compress it enough to fit on my spare 111Gb disc. I will check to see if this one compresses the image but i didn't see that with a quick look thru. Do u happen to know if it does that, and if so by default or bu choice?
 

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That looks great, but the reason i wanted to use Bree's suggestion is the possibility it would compress it enough to fit on my spare 111Gb disc. I will check to see if this one compresses the image but i didn't see that with a quick look thru. Do u happen to know if it does that, and if so by default or bu choice?

Yes, it does, and there's a High compression option in its advanced settings too. I've not tried it myself but it looks like it has comparable compression to my Macrium. From Snick's link...

*Under the default “Normal” compression setting, your system image will consist of a file size around 60% of the total used space on the drive. For example, if the total used space on your system drive is 80GB the image file size will come in at around 50GB."
 

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Even if you wish to do a clean install afterwards, I would recommend first upgrading your W7 to W10. That will ensure that your PC gets a Digital License for Windows 10 recorded on Microsoft's activation servers. With a digital license you can clean install the same edition of W10 (Home or Pro) without needing to provide a key.

After creating a bootable Windows 10 disc, this is what previously worked for me a number of times in a Windows 7 computer which never had Windows 10 previously installed in it.

1. Insert the bootable Windows 10 disc in its drive, then expose its contents.

2. Expose the contents of the sources folder.

3. Copy the gatherosstate.exe file to the desktop.

4. Right-click that file and then click "Run as Administrator".

5. A GenuineTicket.xml file will appear on the desktop.

6. Copy that file to a USB thumb drive or burn it to a disc.

7. Do a clean install of Windows 10.

8. Skip the step to enter a product key.

9. After Windows 10 is installed, navigate to the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\ClipSVC\GenuineTicket folder.

10. Use the media you have the GenuineTicket.xml file saved in to copy it inside the GenuineTicket folder.

11. Restart the computer.

Notes:

The above steps should work in a computer that already has a working activated copy of Windows 7 SP1.

The GenuineTicket.xml file will only work in the same working computer that it was created in.

Before you complete step 9, navigate to File Explorer, then click "View - Options - Change folder and search options", then click "View - Show hidden files, folders and drives", then click Apply.
 

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Well, i tried that AOMEI backup but i don't think it will work for the drive space. After i selected the C drive as source and the blank 111GB drive as destination I went to options and found the compression setting and set it to high. After clicking ok it took me back to the previous page but the destination drive still said theres not enough space. I don't think this is doable w/o a bigger drive but i can't afford a nickel being retired on SS. So i will have to pass unless i can get a drive from a friend who's got a lot of PC parts. I'll have to give him a ring and see. Looks like a pretty simple app tho, even for me.:D
 

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iknowjohnny

It says may not be enough space

I have a 4TB backup external hard drive not even half full and it says the same thing, works every time.
 

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No matter, i just bit the bullet, crossed my fingers and upgrades to W10. What a POS-OS. Slower than a drunken snail. Oh well....gotta keep up with the times....then again, i don't have top be fast to keep up....ugh...
 

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No matter, i just bit the bullet, crossed my fingers and upgrades to W10. What a POS-OS. Slower than a drunken snail. Oh well....gotta keep up with the times....then again, i don't have top be fast to keep up....ugh...

An upgrade makes a Win 7 backup. You have some days (10?) to go back to Win 7.
 

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The backup location is C:\Windows\Windows.old
Both Repair Install/In Place Upgrade and Upgrade from Win 7 to Win10 create that file
 

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How to go back to an Earlier Build or Previous Version of Windows 10

You have 10 days.
go-back-to-previous-version-of-windows-10.png
 

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Thanks for the tips on reverting back, but i won't be doing that. This was something i know i had to do to keep my pc from becoming defunct. Once u see new apps you ry not working right due to the OS u know it's time to move on, and as clumbsy as i found the OS i'm starting to get a handle on it and find ways to make things work as they did in 7 for the most part.
 

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